Around Baseball 2023

[hanton]

How the f*** did Acuna shave 12% off his K rate?

 

11.9% this year

 

23.6% the two prior years.

 

maybe due to inconsistent playing time as a result of his injuries(?) haven't checked but was he in and out of the lineup alot? that could explain it

[Laika]

Pretty good lineup of must watch. DeGrom was insane in 21

 

With the new rules Acuna’s season isn’t as special for me. 30/70 or whatever he ends up going doesn’t mean what it did even last year. They’re going to have to create an SB+ metric to quantify what those bases actually mean

 

70 SB this year would be roughly equivalent to 51 SB in 2022, and 46 in 2021

 

you can just look at team games on baseball reference, and compare with SB count

 

2844 SB in 2023 in 4016 team games played so far

2486 in 4860 in 2022

2213 in 4858 in 2021

[Laika]

maybe due to inconsistent playing time as a result of his injuries(?)

 

No it can't be

 

His K rate was higher before that and 20-23% in the upper minors

 

This is just a massive skill change

[connorp]

No it can't be

 

His K rate was higher before that and 20-23% in the upper minors

 

This is just a massive skill change

 

How’s he so bad in the OF? 5* gifted athlete. Is it the NBA defense mentality? That’s why I said I was surprised Tatis is good

[Stottlemyres_Bloody_Chin]

How’s he so bad in the OF? 5* gifted athlete. Is it the NBA defense mentality? That’s why I said I was surprised Tatis is good

 

Please explain more.

[Laika]

How’s he so bad in the OF? 5* gifted athlete. Is it the NBA defense mentality? That’s why I said I was surprised Tatis is good

 

No idea. Maybe something stupid like he is just mailing it in all the time because he wants to stay healthy and Atlanta is up like 9-1 most nights.

[Laika]

When I think of players/teams that I've considered must-watch over the last 20 years or so:

 

- peak Bonds

- Ohtani

- 2021 deGrom

- 2022 Judge

- 2001 Mariners

 

2023 Acuna is up there for me, but it's the combination of the unique power/speed combo, his enthusiasm for the game, and the fact that he leads off for one of the best teams/offenses we've seen in the last few decades. I think he's the league's most marketable player after Ohtani.

 

It's funny how good but boring Mike Trout is

 

8-10 WAR for like 8 straight seasons, never a must watch talent

[L54]

70 SB this year would be roughly equivalent to 51 SB in 2022, and 46 in 2021

 

you can just look at team games on baseball reference, and compare with SB count

 

2844 SB in 2023 in 4016 team games played so far

2486 in 4860 in 2022

2213 in 4858 in 2021

 

Ya but new rules and bigger bases wouldn’t allow you to make that conversion 1:1

 

Like the two disengagements is a massive shift to the runners advantage

[BigCecil]

Schneider definitely deserves a spot in the starting lineup heading into next season, whether it's at 2B or 3B. Would be his job to lose in ST.

 

Maybe. I hope we see a lot more of him this month. He has been off the charts. Pitch selection and power.

 

3 WAR Biggio in 400 PAs 2019 and '20. 16 HR's & 17% BB rate. 40% hard hit in '19 and a 122 wRC+ in 2020. Then the league figured him out and its been tough ever since. That gives me a bit of pause in any determinations. Davis needs some more runway.

[John_Havok]

Ya but new rules and bigger bases wouldn’t allow you to make that conversion 1:1

 

Like the two disengagements is a massive shift to the runners advantage

 

That’s what the SB+ metric would be for. To compare the years to each other as to what was exceptional in one year vs the next. Thats where the + comes in.

[L54]

That’s what the SB+ metric would be for. To compare the years to each other as to what was exceptional in one year vs the next. Thats where the + comes in.

 

Am I missing something? Is there a stolen base + metric?

[John_Havok]

Am I missing something? Is there a stolen base + metric?

 

No, but they should. I think you said that earlier. Laika provided a very basic beginning of what you’d need to do to make one, although that would really only tell you how much better than league average a guy is from one year to the next at stealing total bases, it wouldn’t take success rate into account or provide any insight into the run values associated

 

In fact, the more I think about it, SB+ really isn’t all that important in the grand scheme of things

[Laika]

Ya but new rules and bigger bases wouldn’t allow you to make that conversion 1:1

 

Like the two disengagements is a massive shift to the runners advantage

 

wdym?

 

it's not 1:1, you can see that the rate of successful SB has risen drastically

 

to convert 2023 end of season SB to "2022 SB" just multiply by like 0.71

 

to covert 2023 end of season SB to "2021 2B" just multiple by like 0.66

 

 

so... just multiple everything by the magic ratio (0.69) to turn 2023 SB into the equivalent from prior years

[jaysblue]

Well you’re the one who said you’ve never seen athletes more exciting than Ohtani and Acuna. I don’t think what Acuna is doing is even more impressive than what Judge did last year

 

Right now, aren't they the two most exciting players in each respective league?

 

The point I was making was that MLB needs to do a better job at marketing their players. Everyone in the world knows about NBA stars or soccer stars more than they do MLB stars.

[L54]

Right now, aren't they the two most exciting players in each respective league?

 

The point I was making was that MLB needs to do a better job at marketing their players. Everyone in the world knows about NBA stars or soccer stars more than they do MLB stars.

 

You can argue that they are though there are a few other candidates in the NL but that’s not what you said

[L54]

wdym?

 

it's not 1:1, you can see that the rate of successful SB has risen drastically

 

to convert 2023 end of season SB to "2022 SB" just multiply by like 0.71

 

to covert 2023 end of season SB to "2021 2B" just multiple by like 0.66

 

 

so... just multiple everything by the magic ratio (0.69) to turn 2023 SB into the equivalent from prior years

 

True that would give a fairly accurate number to compare prior years

 

All stats are era dependant I guess. It would be nice if #’s translated across the board but with manipulated balls and bigger bases the constant variables are never really constant

[L54]

No, but they should. I think you said that earlier. Laika provided a very basic beginning of what you’d need to do to make one, although that would really only tell you how much better than league average a guy is from one year to the next at stealing total bases, it wouldn’t take success rate into account or provide any insight into the run values associated

 

In fact, the more I think about it, SB+ really isn’t all that important in the grand scheme of things

 

True it would only be x % better than league average which doesn’t really tell you much

 

I do agree that in the grand scheme I don’t really care all that much. It’s just that for arguments sake Acuna’s season this year doesn’t feel like a true 30/70

[connorp]

I wonder how often a player would be draft-able in say the first 5 rounds as either a P of Hitter. If you allowed all those guys to train for both, would there be someone like Ohtani? Admittedly he’s gone next level hitting, so it would be tough

[Spanky__99]

Ohtani should just get his surgery done now and call it a day.

[connorp]

Ohtani should just get his surgery done now and call it a day.

 

Have you applied to be one of the mlb team’s MDs? Sounds like you should give it a shot. Seem to know your s***

[bones10]

Ohtani should just get his surgery done now and call it a day.

 

Not until he’s done playing the teams ahead of us, thanks

[infinitebook]

Ohtani should just get his surgery done now and call it a day.

 

Yep, recover on company time. Just delaying when he can pitch again.

[Spanky__99]

Yep, recover on company time. Just delaying when he can pitch again.

 

Yeah, doesn't make sense, he has MVP locked up anyhow.

[Krylian]

Anyway of quickly looking up who was on team Bellinger vs. Team Kiermayer when the Jays were considering both? I knew there were some serious hard-ons against Belly.

[connorp]

Yeah, doesn't make sense, he has MVP locked up anyhow.

 

24 would probably be out for pitching. I imagine 6 months recovery time to hit. Probably knows what he’s doing, mate

[Stangstag]

Anyway of quickly looking up who was on team Bellinger vs. Team Kiermayer when the Jays were considering both? I knew there were some serious hard-ons against Belly.

 

I think most of us here definitely wanted Bellinger, just not at that price. It was a huge gamble that payed off

[Laika]

Jasson Dominguez homers first AB off Verlander wooo

[Spanky__99]

Jasson Dominguez homers first AB off Verlander wooo

 

Oppo too.

[Nursehoneybadger]

verlanders cooked. Finally the Astronauts can lose a game.

[Nursehoneybadger]

John Carlos staton a 2 run HR against verlander, hopefully a 4 run lead will hold against the Astros since Texas probably wins tonight