Around Baseball 2023

[connorp]

I guess the Dodgers didn’t feel like chalking up their playoff exit to bad luck.

[Stangstag]

Rays doing Rays things

 

They were never going to pay Glasgow his 25M for 2024, somebody else was going to

 

And Margo is getting 10M

 

So 35M salary gone for league minimum guys sounds about right

 

Great farm and development, but disgusting organization overall. They could be so much better if they just spent a bit more

[John_Havok]

So Dodgers payroll is going to be ridiculous again

 

Yeah watch it end up being 350 million in real dollars but like 210 for luxury tax purposes. Gotta hand it to them for taking advantage

[Stangstag]

Yeah watch it end up being 350 million in real dollars but like 210 for luxury tax purposes. Gotta hand it to them for taking advantage

 

Its great for baseball. Especially great when this leads to another strike during the next CBA

[Brownie19]

I guess the Dodgers didn’t feel like chalking up their playoff exit to bad luck.

 

That has nothing to do with trying to make your team better.

[Brownie19]

Rays doing Rays things

 

They were never going to pay Glasgow his 25M for 2024, somebody else was going to

 

And Margo is getting 10M

 

So 35M salary gone for league minimum guys sounds about right

 

I don't think anyone should pay Margot $10M a year. He should be non-tendered at that price.

[Jays24]

f***ing Rays keep doing Rays things.

 

Also how the hell do the Dodgers keep a top farm system while trading away so much. They run the system that Shatkins pretend to lol.

[The Cats Ass]

I don't think anyone should pay Margot $10M a year. He should be non-tendered at that price.

 

It’s not through Arbitration. He signed a 2 year deal I believe. Also includes a 2Mil buyout next offseason.

[Jays24]

Report: Ohtani among Dodgers stars recruiting Yamamoto

https://www.thescore.com/mlb/news/2792929

 

Ya... he's signing with the Dodgers lol

[wilko]

Report: Ohtani among Dodgers stars recruiting Yamamoto

https://www.thescore.com/mlb/news/2792929

 

Ya... he's signing with the Dodgers lol

 

Of course they are.

[max silver]

Report: Ohtani among Dodgers stars recruiting Yamamoto

https://www.thescore.com/mlb/news/2792929

 

Ya... he's signing with the Dodgers lol

 

They are going to be incredibly hard to beat. It was reported that Yamamoto wants to play with other Japanese players, and the Dodgers already have the best Japanese player to ever suit up in MLB on top of plenty of available payroll space to match all of the other offers that come in.

[Jays24]

Crazy how we're going from an offseason where we could have gotten Ohtani/Yamamoto to us getting Bellinger is the most impactful move potentially lol.

[max silver]

Crazy how we're going from an offseason where we could have gotten Ohtani/Yamamoto to us getting Bellinger is the most impactful move potentially lol.

 

Neither of Ohtani or Yamamoto were realistic targets but Bellinger is a guy who I think the team has a much better chance to sign. Whether or not that's ultimately a good thing is certainly up for debate.

[Terminator]

Crazy how we're going from an offseason where we could have gotten Ohtani/Yamamoto to us getting Bellinger is the most impactful move potentially lol.

 

It's an incredibly weak FA year and those are the top 3.

[Laika]

Crazy how we're going from an offseason where we could have gotten Ohtani/Yamamoto to us getting Bellinger is the most impactful move potentially lol.

 

I said this to a friend but the letdown from not signing Ohtani is just massive, mostly because there is nobody in free agency and the smart thing to do is just not spend all the money.

 

Worst case scenario is probably the team overpaying some free agents right now because they have anxiety to make a big move.

[Terminator]

Imagine giving a 5 foot 10 NPB pitcher 300 million lol

[Frenchsoup]

I can

[Laika]

Yusei Kikuchi age 26 NPB

 

187 innings, 10.4 k9, 2.3 bb9, 1.97 ERA

 

 

Yamamoto the next Kikuchi confirmed

 

No wait, the next Dice K.

[xposbrad]

I said this to a friend but the letdown from not signing Ohtani is just massive, mostly because there is nobody in free agency and the smart thing to do is just not spend all the money.

 

Worst case scenario is probably the team overpaying some free agents right now because they have anxiety to make a big move.

 

I think management sees they have a small window now. They have arguably a bottom 5 farm right now, not exactly an amazing core of young guys signed to team friendly deals. Vlad/BO either need new deals or to be traded. I think it's either they decide to add 2-3 big pieces this year and go for it and add like 50-60m to payroll or just rebuild the farm and then at the deadline dump Vlad and maybe BO.

Edited December 13, 2023 by xposbrad

[Terminator]

Maybe we could do a 2013-Marlins style trade where we give up Manoah and a bunch of 40/45 prospects for Robert, Benitendi, Moncada and Eloy Jimenez.

[Laika]

I think management sees they have a small window now. They have arguably have a bottom 5 farm right now, not exactly an amazing core of young guys signed to team friendly deals. Vlad/BO either need new deals or to be traded. I think it's either they decide to add 2-3 big pieces this year and go for it and add like 50-60m to payroll or just rebuild the farm and then at the deadline dump Vlad and maybe BO.

 

Yeah that's fine in theory

 

But the big pieces on free agency are landmines

[Jimcanuck]

Maybe we could do a 2013-Marlins style trade where we give up Manoah and a bunch of 40/45 prospects for Robert, Benitendi, Moncada and Eloy Jimenez.

 

I'm on board

[glory]

Maybe we could do a 2013-Marlins style trade where we give up Manoah and a bunch of 40/45 prospects for Robert, Benitendi, Moncada and Eloy Jimenez.

 

Robert, Moncada, and Jimenez would be intriguing. Benintendi and his contract are horrendous so I'd avoid that if possible. Adding him to the deal in theory should reduce the prospect cost tremendously but 4 more expensive years of Benintendi's noodle bat and bad defense won't help the team short or long term.

[Terminator]

Robert, Moncada, and Jimenez would be intriguing. Benintendi and his contract are horrendous so I'd avoid that if possible. Adding him to the deal in theory should reduce the prospect cost tremendously but 4 more expensive years of Benintendi's noodle bat and bad defense won't help the team short or long term.

 

Yeah he's included all so we wouldn't have to give up as much prospect capital. We could just use him as a 4th OF. Given their remaining contracts, Moncada has negative value and Eloy has very little value but we could start them at 3B and DH. Robert has a shitload of value.

[Jimcanuck]

Robert CF

Bo SS

Vlad 1B

Bellinger RF

Eloy DH

Springer LF

Moncada 3B

Kirk / Jansen C

Biggio 2B

 

I'd give the Chisox Tiedemann, Varsho, ++ to see this lineup in action

[max silver]

Yeah he's included all so we wouldn't have to give up as much prospect capital. We could just use him as a 4th OF. Given their remaining contracts, Moncada has negative value and Eloy has very little value but we could start them at 3B and DH. Robert has a shitload of value.

 

It's actually kind of startling how badly Benintendi's defensive metrics declined in one season. The sprint speed numbers dropped modestly but nothing that would begin to explain a 10 run drop in OAA. Benintendi apparently played through various injuries in 2023 but even so I'd want nothing to do with his contract.

[Terminator]

You guys, Benitendi sucks ass I get it. But if you want Robert without taking on a bad contract in return you'd basically have to let the White Sox hand select 5 prospects off our roster and even then we might get outbid by someone else or the ChiSox simply pass and hang on to him.

 

If you take on Benitendi and Moncada, guys with negative value, maybe you get Robert without even having to give up Tiedeman.

 

If we are unable to flex our financial muscles this offseason in FA, then perhaps we can do so in FA by taking on some bad deals via trade.

[Stangstag]

Robert CF

Bo SS

Vlad 1B

Bellinger RF

Eloy DH

Springer LF

Moncada 3B

Kirk / Jansen C

Biggio 2B

 

I'd give the Chisox Tiedemann, Varsho, ++ to see this lineup in action

 

f*** it, why not.

 

I think it would take a lot more to get all those guys from the Sox though. Probably something like Manoah + Kirk + Tiedemann + Orelvis

[Stangstag]

Trade Kirk and make Varsho a C/OF again

[Abomination]

I'm beginning to think the best option is to roll with whoever gets hot between Barger and Orelvis Martinez for 3rd base duties. One of them probably takes over by 2025 anyway. Aside from Chapman, I'm not convinced anyone available would be an upgrade over them. Sign one of Soler, Hoskins, or JD for DH and cross your fingers with a Bellinger contract (or Gurriel if Bellinger bidding goes nuts). Certainly not ideal, but it should be an improved offense over last year. Maybe trade Espinal for a reliever and make Clement the super bench guy since he can sort of play most positions.