Around Baseball 2023

[L54]

A trade with the Reds makes perfect sense. Pretty much just take whichever infielder they’ll take for Manoah

[L54]

Trade for Yoan Moncada.

 

Pass

[John_Havok]

I known to exaggerate a bit. It certainly felt like it though.

 

Wrc+ by month for CHappy…. 216, 63, 75, 154, 49, 75. 1st half 123, 2nd half 88. Full year 110. 28.4% k rate, 10.7% walk rate.

Wrc+ by month for Moncada.. 140, 77, 4, 20, 106, 145. 1st half 76, 2nd half 114. Full year 98. 30% K rate, 5.6% walk

 

I probably don’t need to tell you who is better defensively.

 

Tell us again how Moncada was superior to Chapman last season even abandoning the hyperbole

[connorp]

Wrc+ by month for CHappy…. 216, 63, 75, 154, 49, 75. 1st half 123, 2nd half 88. Full year 110. 28.4% k rate, 10.7% walk rate.

Wrc+ by month for Moncada.. 140, 77, 4, 20, 106, 145. 1st half 76, 2nd half 114. Full year 98. 30% K rate, 5.6% walk

 

I probably don’t need to tell you who is better defensively.

 

Tell us again how Moncada was superior to Chapman last season even abandoning the hyperbole

 

So tl;dr I should’ve put 4/6

[max silver]

So tl;dr I should’ve put 4/6

 

I see you aren't particularly good with numbers. Chapman posted better numbers than Moncada in 3 out of the 6 months of the season.

 

The wRC+ split between the two month by month:

 

April +76 Chapman

May +14 Moncada

June +71 Chapman

July +134 Chapman

August +57 Moncada

September +70 Moncada

 

Chapman had 3 months where he was dramatically better than Moncada, vs Moncada who was dramatically better in 2 months. There was a single month where they posted relatively similar numbers.

[connorp]

I see you aren't particularly good with numbers. Chapman posted better numbers than Moncada in 3 out of the 6 months of the season.

 

The wRC+ split between the two month by month:

 

April +76 Chapman

May +14 Moncada

June +71 Chapman

July +134 Chapman

August +57 Moncada

September +70 Moncada

 

Chapman had 3 months where he was dramatically better than Moncada, vs Moncada who was dramatically better in 2 months. There was a single month where they posted relatively similar numbers.

 

3/6 is the winner I guess. Come playoff time we had the worthless Chappy, so I think Moncada as a stop gap 3b would be fine. Chapman is not the next level answer. Use the money somewhere else

[max silver]

3/6 is the winner I guess. Come playoff time we had the worthless Chappy, so I think Moncada as a stop gap 3b would be fine. Chapman is not the next level answer. Use the money somewhere else

 

Chapman actually came within inches of putting the Blue Jays ahead in each game of the playoffs as he flied out the wall in deep center field and narrowly missed extra bases down the third base line by an even shorter distance.

 

I'll agree that Chapman returning would feel an awful lot like a consolation prize compared to the other names available this offseason.

[Terminator]

Trade for Yoan Moncada.

 

I would take Moncada. White Sox would obviously have to eat some salary but I'm sure they would.

[Terminator]

Which Reds infielders can play 3B that we could target in a trade?

[Laika]

Oh no, people are trying to buy the Orioles from the Angelos family

 

That's not good news. Dumb ownership was perhaps our only line of defense against the current waves of amazing Orioles prospects.

[max silver]

Oh no, people are trying to buy the Orioles from the Angelos family

 

That's not good news. Dumb ownership was perhaps our only line of defense against the current waves of amazing Orioles prospects.

 

Yeah that team's collection of young talent with an ownership group willing to offer them fair extensions and properly supplement the team through free agency is a terrifying prospect.

[jaysblue]

Why?

 

He's awful

 

He's already posted a 4 WAR season and 5.5 WAR season in his career. He's still only 28 as well.

 

What other 3B do you have in mind?

 

If the Jays can't bring back Chapman, they need a third baseman. Suarez already traded, and Candelario signed with the Red. Not many options available. I would definitely roll the dice on Moncada as a bounce back candidate if the White Sox eat some of his salary and doesn't cost much in a trade.

[Laika]

Yeah Moncado is worth a 2024 gamble but CHW has to eat like half the money.

[jaysblue]

Chapman actually came within inches of putting the Blue Jays ahead in each game of the playoffs as he flied out the wall in deep center field and narrowly missed extra bases down the third base line by an even shorter distance.

 

I'll agree that Chapman returning would feel an awful lot like a consolation prize compared to the other names available this offseason.

 

How much do you think Chapman gets as a FA now that Candelario is off the market?

[Krylian]

How much do you think Chapman gets as a FA now that Candelario is off the market?

 

Too much

[jaysblue]

Which Reds infielders can play 3B that we could target in a trade?

 

Steer could be a possibility at 3B.

 

India likely gets moved, but as a 2B

[Laika]

somewhere between 4/80 and 4/100

 

guess for Chapman

 

could be shocking in either direction though! 3/60 or 5/130 in play hahaha

[Terminator]

I'd do a 4 year deal for Chapman.

 

He's not the most exciting player to watch on a daily basis. It can even be downright brutal at times. But at the end of the year when you look at his Fangraphs page he's going to clear 3 WAR.

[Omar]

I'd do a 4 year deal for Chapman.

 

He's not the most exciting player to watch on a daily basis. It can even be downright brutal at times. But at the end of the year when you look at his Fangraphs page he's going to clear 3 WAR.

 

Once we sign Oh Sho we won't have enough money to keep the soda machine stocked, much less pay for Chappy.

[G-Snarls]

somewhere between 4/80 and 4/100

 

guess for Chapman

 

could be shocking in either direction though! 3/60 or 5/130 in play hahaha

 

His performance from May onward probably cost himself a Semien level contract

[deanmike]

Once we sign Oh Sho we won't have enough money to keep the soda machine stocked, much less pay for Chappy.

 

Apparently there is an Ohtani budget which is much higher than the non-Ohtani budget.

[burlingtonbandit]

somewhere between 4/80 and 4/100

 

guess for Chapman

 

could be shocking in either direction though! 3/60 or 5/130 in play hahaha

 

I'd be shocked if he doesn't get at least 100M. Boras is his agent after all.

[Spanky__99]

I'd be shocked if he doesn't get at least 100M. Boras is his agent after all.

 

I read on here that Boras had already turned down a Jays offer north of 100M, he's looking at 6/150 I'd guess.

[Eat My Shatkins]

I read on here that Boras had already turned down a Jays offer north of 100M, he's looking at 6/150 I'd guess.

 

Damn.

 

What team is going to give him that contract?

[burlingtonbandit]

Damn.

 

What team is going to give him that contract?

 

Yankees, Giants, Cubs and Blue Jays all could use a 3B.

[G-Snarls]

I read on here that Boras had already turned down a Jays offer north of 100M, he's looking at 6/150 I'd guess.

 

On the one hand they tried to extend him while still under contract and therefore had exclusive negotiating rights. Theoretically in free agency he can tempt multiple bidders into offering more.

 

On the other hand he played like complete s*** for the middle and last third of the season and almost certainly hurt his potential earnings

[The Cats Ass]

Steer could be a possibility at 3B.

 

India likely gets moved, but as a 2B

 

Steer would be an interesting target if the Reds are thinking of playing India at 1B.

[Jays24]

I read on here that Boras had already turned down a Jays offer north of 100M, he's looking at 6/150 I'd guess.

 

Giving Chapman anything more than 100M over 5 years would be ridiculous. He needs to pull a Semien/Bellinger by betting on himself and then look for that contract. What he did this past season was pukeworthy for his standards.

[max silver]

Giving Chapman anything more than 100M over 5 years would be ridiculous. He needs to pull a Semien/Bellinger by betting on himself and then look for that contract. What he did this past season was pukeworthy for his standards.

 

Yay another nonsense hot take. You're on a massive roll today posting stupid s***. Chapman posted a 4.1 FWAR in 2021 (3.9 WAR/600 plate appearances), a 4.2 WAR in 2022 (4.06 WAR/600 plate appearances), and a 3.5 FWAR in 2023 (3.61 WAR/600 plate appearances). The 2023 drop saw him play in 15 fewer games than 2022 due to a finger injury, and the injury noticably hampered upon his return. But here you are calling it pukeworthy because he experienced a whopping 10% drop in his relative performance.

[Eat My Shatkins]

Yay another nonsense hot take. You're on a massive roll today posting stupid s***. Chapman posted a 4.1 FWAR in 2021 (3.9 WAR/600 plate appearances), a 4.2 WAR in 2022 (4.06 WAR/600 plate appearances), and a 3.5 FWAR in 2023 (3.61 WAR/600 plate appearances). The 2023 drop saw him play in 15 fewer games than 2022 due to a finger injury, and the injury noticably hampered upon his return. But here you are calling it pukeworthy because he experienced a whopping 10% drop in his relative performance.

 

Hahaha

 

"Pukeworthy"

 

What a drama queen. My god