Around Baseball 2023

[John_Havok]

[Brownie19]

Wow... a pitcher saying this is awkward. lol

 

I'd love to know how many successful pickoffs there are after a 2nd attempt. I suspect it's a VERY low amount (especially from RHP). It feels like 80% of pick off attempts are a waste of time. They are just token throws over to let the runner know you can see him (like he'd forgotten) and/or is a stall tactic for the pitcher to re-group or recover before the next pitch.

 

I certainly know that sometimes pitchers start off with their "C" move to 1st and are trying to setup that runner - I just don't think that happens enough to matter.

 

Maybe this was more relevant back in the early 2000's when stealing was more common? Recently it just seems there are way too many pickoff attempts when everyone knows that runner isn't going anywhere. Maybe it will become more relevant again now with the larger bases? I don't know - but I can do away with pickoff throws. I never had a great move and didn't throw over often when I pitched, so maybe that's skewing my view.

[Jimcanuck]

I'd love to know how many successful pickoffs there are after a 2nd attempt. I suspect it's a VERY low amount (especially from RHP). It feels like 80% of pick off attempts are a waste of time. They are just token throws over to let the runner know you can see him (like he'd forgotten) and/or is a stall tactic for the pitcher to re-group or recover before the next pitch.

 

I certainly know that sometimes pitchers start off with their "C" move to 1st and are trying to setup that runner - I just don't think that happens enough to matter.

 

Maybe this was more relevant back in the early 2000's when stealing was more common? Recently it just seems there are way too many pickoff attempts when everyone knows that runner isn't going anywhere. Maybe it will become more relevant again now with the larger bases? I don't know - but I can do away with pickoff throws. I never had a great move and didn't throw over often when I pitched, so maybe that's skewing my view.

 

A pickoff move is more an attempt to reduce the runner's jump, IMO. And yes, more relevant in the days of Raines and Henderson.

 

I wonder if we will see someone hit 50 SB this season.

[Krylian]

A pickoff move is more an attempt to reduce the runner's jump, IMO. And yes, more relevant in the days of Raines and Henderson.

 

I wonder if we will see someone hit 50 SB this season.

 

I'd be really surprised if we didn't.

[Stangstag]

A pickoff move is more an attempt to reduce the runner's jump, IMO. And yes, more relevant in the days of Raines and Henderson.

 

I wonder if we will see someone hit 50 SB this season.

 

Whit Merrifield 60 SB season incoming

[Krylian]

Whit Merrifield 60 SB season incoming

 

Just take walks and steal 2nd and 3rd all day long.

[Laika]

50 is possible for someone

based on MiLB data people are expecting a 2012 SB environment

 

in 2022 the league leader had 41 steals and only six guys had 30+

 

in 2012 the league leader had 49 steals and twenty one guys had 30+

 

Expect the bigger percentage bumps to come from guys with "okay" speed as their success rates go from borderline to green light ranges.

 

The guys with top end speed might see a smaller increase in percentage terms... they could already make it almost every time if they don't stub a toe or fall down.

[wilko]

50 is possible for someone

based on MiLB data people are expecting a 2012 SB environment

 

in 2022 the league leader had 41 steals and only six guys had 30+

 

in 2012 the league leader had 49 steals and twenty one guys had 30+

 

Expect the bigger percentage bumps to come from guys with "okay" speed as their success rates go from borderline to green light ranges.

 

The guys with top end speed might see a smaller increase in percentage terms... they could already make it almost every time if they don't stub a toe or fall down.

 

20 SB for Vladdy?

[The Cats Ass]

50 is possible for someone

based on MiLB data people are expecting a 2012 SB environment

 

in 2022 the league leader had 41 steals and only six guys had 30+

 

in 2012 the league leader had 49 steals and twenty one guys had 30+

 

Expect the bigger percentage bumps to come from guys with "okay" speed as their success rates go from borderline to green light ranges.

 

The guys with top end speed might see a smaller increase in percentage terms... they could already make it almost every time if they don't stub a toe or fall down.

 

As recent as 2017 someone had 60. There was a 59 and a 60 that year.

[glory]

2014-17 Billy Hamilton with these rules would have been fun to watch. Prime Jarrod Dyson too. Not sure if there are many players like that in the league currently. I have no idea who the Jays internally view as the best option for the last bench spot, but curious to see if someone like Wynton Bernard with elite sprint speed gets a much longer look. A late inning guy like him will have value, especially with guys like Belt, Kirk, etc, potentially clogging up bases late in games.

[wilko]

2014-17 Billy Hamilton with these rules would have been fun to watch. Prime Jarrod Dyson too. Not sure if there are many players like that in the league currently. I have no idea who the Jays internally view as the best option for the last bench spot, but curious to see if someone like Wynton Bernard with elite sprint speed gets a much longer look. A late inning guy like him will have value, especially with guys like Belt, Kirk, etc, potentially clogging up bases late in games.

 

[The Cats Ass]

2014-17 Billy Hamilton with these rules would have been fun to watch. Prime Jarrod Dyson too. Not sure if there are many players like that in the league currently. I have no idea who the Jays internally view as the best option for the last bench spot, but curious to see if someone like Wynton Bernard with elite sprint speed gets a much longer look. A late inning guy like him will have value, especially with guys like Belt, Kirk, etc, potentially clogging up bases late in games.

 

Corbin Carroll maybe. 80 grade speed, and 100 percentile sprint speed. 33 SB with 4 CS last year. Hopefully the D-back let him loose.

Edited March 2, 2023 by The Cats Ass

[John_Havok]

https://fb.watch/j0N0LP3nXp/

 

 

20 second strikeout. Thing of beauty!

[Dick_Pole]

Whit Merrifield 60 SB season incoming

 

Hmm interesting. That would tie him with Dave Collins as the team's single season SB leader. I wonder if any other team has two white guys battling it out for the franchise stolen base record? Not only was Dave Collins a white guy, he was a white guy with glasses. Imagine Tom Henke running the basepaths alongside Vince Coleman and Willie Wilson. That was the Jays in the mid-80's.

[John_Havok]

Hmm interesting. That would tie him with Dave Collins as the team's single season SB leader. I wonder if any other team has two white guys battling it out for the franchise stolen base record? Not only was Dave Collins a white guy, he was a white guy with glasses. Imagine Tom Henke running the basepaths alongside Vince Coleman and Willie Wilson. That was the Jays in the mid-80's.

 

Look at their lineup this year, it's about as white as it can get. Berrios, Espinal, Vlad, Garcia and Kirk are all we have left. Lopez might need to make the bench just to help offset the whiteness.

 

Oh and Kikuchi... does he count?

[Dick_Pole]

Look at their lineup this year, it's about as white as it can get. Berrios, Espinal, Vlad, Garcia and Kirk are all we have left. Lopez might need to make the bench just to help offset the whiteness.

 

Oh and Kikuchi... does he count?

 

And out of those five, everyone except Vlad could pass as Latinos from Uruguay. And Vlad comes from money. Whitest team since the pre-Jim Rice Red Sox.

[wilko]

Look at their lineup this year, it's about as white as it can get. Berrios, Espinal, Vlad, Garcia and Kirk are all we have left. Lopez might need to make the bench just to help offset the whiteness.

 

Oh and Kikuchi... does he count?

 

Reported.

[John_Havok]

Reported.

 

For pointing out racism the Jays blatant whitewashing of the roster?

[wilko]

For pointing out racism the Jays blatant whitewashing of the roster?

 

Yes. The Toronto Blue Jays hired me as a social media PR rep to try and sweep this under the rug as much as possible.

[Dick_Pole]

Yes. The Toronto Blue Jays hired me as a social media PR rep to try and sweep this under the rug as much as possible.

 

That's misogynist to women who don't get themselves waxed. Be better.

[Laika]

For pointing out racism the Jays blatant whitewashing of the roster?

 

Excuse me sir but

 

George Springer is *ethnic*

Bo Bichette *thinks he's Carribbean*

Kevin Kiermaier *has swag*

Alek Manoah *is one of a kind*

Jordan Romano is *goth and Canadian*

Adam Cimber *throws funny*

 

Open your mind and the diversity is a plenty

[John_Havok]

Excuse me sir but

 

George Springer is *ethnic*

Bo Bichette *thinks he's Carribbean*

Kevin Kiermaier *has swag*

Alek Manoah *is one of a kind*

Jordan Romano is *goth and Canadian*

Adam Cimber *throws funny*

 

Open your mind and the diversity is a plenty

 

They're whiter than the pack of saltines in my pantry. This lineup is in desperate need of some lentils.

[Terminator]

Excuse me sir but

 

George Springer is *ethnic*

Bo Bichette *thinks he's Carribbean*

Kevin Kiermaier *has swag*

Alek Manoah *is one of a kind*

Jordan Romano is *goth and Canadian*

Adam Cimber *throws funny*

 

Open your mind and the diversity is a plenty

 

I laughed

[Dick_Pole]

K, which one of you wrote the top response?

 

[wilko]

K, which one of you wrote the top response?

 

 

dogg

[Deadpool]

Excuse me sir but

 

George Springer is *ethnic*

Bo Bichette *thinks he's Carribbean*

Kevin Kiermaier *has swag*

Alek Manoah *is one of a kind*

Jordan Romano is *goth and Canadian*

Adam Cimber *throws funny*

 

Open your mind and the diversity is a plenty

 

Goth is just a sad white person.

[TheHurl]

Excuse me sir but

 

George Springer is *ethnic*

Bo Bichette *thinks he's Carribbean*

Kevin Kiermaier *has swag*

Alek Manoah *is one of a kind*

Jordan Romano is *goth and Canadian*

Adam Cimber *throws funny*

 

Open your mind and the diversity is a plenty

 

I would have went with Manoah is a larger Marcus Stroman

[JaysAllMighty]

Fun times ahead... LOL

 

[wilko]

Fun times ahead... LOL

 

 

What's the problem?

[Stangstag]

What's the problem?

 

The problem is vets like Scherzer thinking they can just break rules with impunity