Blue Jays acquire Daulton Varsho for Moreno and Gurriel

[gruber92]

We hold all the cards and this is what Ross did?

[xposbrad]

In his best year he puts up a .745 OPS. Not a big fan right now. Especially if also gave up Lourdes

 

You trade your best catching prospect for a 108WRC hitter lol. And both guys you traded project for higher.

[Laika]

Varsho had 4.6 WAR in 2022

Played at the same pace in 2021

 

Destroyed AA at 22 without striking out much

 

They get his four prime seasons

 

Perfect roster fit. Left handed CF who is also the emergency catcher so you can DH Kirk all the time.

 

Could be more upside I don’t think it’s set in stone that he will have whiff issues like in his short career so far

[Jonn]

Of all the Outfielders discussed this off-season Daulton Varsho was probably near the bottom of the list. Sure left-handed power but no ability to get on base. Expect a lot of wild swings and frustrating at-bats.

 

Kinda shocked he cost that much. Tough to trade an Athletic Catcher with that much upside with the bat and keeping a fat Kirk. Diamondbacks did very well here.

[gruber92]

Ross Atkins is a f***ing moron.

[Captain Adama]

I'd love to see Varsho trim that K rate a bit and take a few more walks, but there's nothing really to hate in his batted ball metrics.

 

Jays now have 3 CFs in the OF with Merrifield/Biggio as the defacto backups when they're not playing the infield.

 

There's some promise that he has an above average barrell rate, but the plate discipline....needs a lot of work.

[BTS]

I'm not even really sure Toronto considers Gurriel a loss. Springer/Varsho/Kiermaier/Merrifield is clearly their OF rotation and there's a ton of positional flexibility there. 5.4M for Gurriel isn't a good fit.

[Stangstag]

Terminator was wrong

 

That is all

[MON4NHLTOR4MLB]

Varsho sucks but so does this front office. Overpay and panic deal because they had to react to Conforto going elsewhere. If they do nothing else, this has been a disaster offseason

[Pendleton]

Really like the player, unique and very useful.

 

The price is giving me pause. Is this the best player you can get for a top 10 prospect (+) ?

[connorp]

Panic move?

 

Definitely seems like a deal that could’ve been made already. Seems like go home with the fat chick but whatever, deal is done.

[The Iceman]

RUN PREVENTION is our focus apparently

[Laika]

Gurriel is worth basically nothing. Horrendous defender in left and not an impact bat despite teasing it at time. I think his swing is too mechanical / rigid or something.

[Jays24]

Maaannn... you cant trade Moreno + Gurriel without getting a no doubt Superstar in return. This is a total panic move in an attempt to get a Left Handed OFer.

[Jonn]

I would have been happier with the trade if it was Kirk instead of Moreno. I just can’t see Kirk holding up.

[Jays24]

RUN PREVENTION is our focus apparently

 

Then why the hell is Bo still our starting SS? Dude blows defensively and plays a super premium position.

[gruber92]

RUN PREVENTION is our focus apparently

 

So how does Moreno not fit that narrative?

[connorp]

So probably:

 

RHP

Springer LF

Kiermaier CF

Varsho RF

Kirk/Jansen C

 

LHP

Springer LF

Varsho CF

Merrifield RF

Kirk/Jansen C

 

With Varsho the 3rd C

 

Doesn’t corner OF make Varsho less valuable?

[BTS]

Varsho had 4.6 WAR in 2022

Played at the same pace in 2021

 

Destroyed AA at 22 without striking out much

 

They get his four prime seasons

 

Perfect roster fit. Left handed CF who is also the emergency catcher so you can DH Kirk all the time.

 

Could be more upside I don’t think it’s set in stone that he will have whiff issues like in his short career so far

 

Varsho is underrated here. Every year teams give like 300+ PA to washed geezers like Kurt Suzuki and Yan Gomes, because nobody has 3 competent catchers. Toronto's 3rd catcher is an above average defensive CF with plus speed and 30-HR power from the left side. The flexibility is beautiful.

[Captain Adama]

Really like the player, unique and very useful.

 

The price is giving me pause. Is this the best player you can get for a top 10 prospect (+) ?

 

This is almost the opposite of a typical Atkins deal:

 

In a vacuum, it's a really steep price to pay for Varsho.

 

But in the context of the lineup and defense, it makes some more sense. The Jays have almost an elite defensive lineup aside from SS.

[lovemyjays]

Gurriel is worth basically nothing. Horrendous defender in left and not an impact bat despite teasing it at time. I think his swing is too mechanical / rigid or something.

 

 

This seems like a copium type comment. Not an impact bat? His numbers don't lie. Gurri was a very good hitter. Durability was his biggest concern. He was still young and was improving.

[Laika]

Varsho 7.1 WAR is basically 1.66 seasons

 

4.4 per season

 

If Arizona wasn’t trading Corbin Carroll then there may not have been a better CF trade target out there

[Captain Adama]

So how does Moreno not fit that narrative?

 

Varsho has shown to be an excellent defensive OF, Moreno hasn't.

[xposbrad]

I would have been happier with the trade if it was Kirk instead of Moreno. I just can’t see Kirk holding up.

 

I would have been fine with Jansen. I just think there's way too much upside with Moreno. He can easily outwar Varsho next year and is younger. So I am trying to figure it out, they are a better team with Moreno + Gurriel than with Varsho. This is a great trade for Arizona though, sold high on Varsho.

[BTS]

He was still young and was improving.

 

lol, he's 29

[Captain Adama]

Maaannn... you cant Moreno + Gurriel without getting a no doubt Superstar in return. This is a total panic move in an attempt to get a Left Handed OFer.

 

Lol where do people get this idea that Gurriel has considerable value?

[dineke]

Outfield defense is insane now after being a clown show.

[lovemyjays]

lol, he's 29

 

 

Look no further than his brother - Yuli.

[xposbrad]

Varsho has shown to be an excellent defensive OF, Moreno hasn't.

 

You have him for a corner spot, could have just signed Conforto or get a better return than Varsho back.

[Laika]

This seems like a copium type comment. Not an impact bat? His numbers don't lie. Gurri was a very good hitter. Durability was his biggest concern. He was still young and was improving.

 

Is it good when your left fielder hits five homers?

 

He’s a good hitter but he’s never been worth even two wins because the defense is so bad, he’s slow, and he’s never put it all together with the stick. He’s worth a few million in surplus value at the most so he doesn’t move the needle much in this trade.