Teo Traded to Seattle

[Krylian]

basically team either has to be empty farm to get right position player to win world series champion for few years or need to build strong farm to rebuild team

Blue jays with Atkins is none of those , always trade good player for downgraded players to save money

 

Always.

 

You've hit the nail on the head, Petey.

[Omar]

[Laika]

 

I dunno about the "multi dimensional threat" part

 

he hits the ball hard as f*** though

[Stangstag]

 

I miss him already

[The Cats Ass]

Maybe the Jays have learnt about holding on to declining assets. Sometimes it's better to sell a touch too early than too late. It's an important skill to stay consistently competitive. Teoscar's stats had peaked at age 27, and he's declined slightly the two seasons after that.

 

I'll miss his bat in the lineup, and wish him well. But it was the correct choice to move on.

[Ehjays]

Maybe the Jays have learnt about holding on to declining assets. Sometimes it's better to sell a touch too early than too late. It's an important skill to stay consistently competitive. Teoscar's stats had peaked at age 27, and he's declined slightly the two seasons after that.

 

I'll miss his bat in the lineup, and wish him well. But it was the correct choice to move on.

 

Yes, I agree with both missing him and it being the correct choice to move on. Tampa has done this for years. It may not always work, but instead of letting a guy walk in a year, you get immediate help for your major league team plus a high prospesct. Traded 1 year for possibly 9. Its a proven sustainable method which may not be popular and may not work all the time, but its the right move.

[Jimcanuck]

Maybe the Jays have learnt about holding on to declining assets. Sometimes it's better to sell a touch too early than too late. It's an important skill to stay consistently competitive. Teoscar's stats had peaked at age 27, and he's declined slightly the two seasons after that.

 

I'll miss his bat in the lineup, and wish him well. But it was the correct choice to move on.

 

I'm still a little pissed on the Jays holding onto JD after his rebound season. They had already started rebuilding....

 

Merryweather.

[Laika]

I'm still a little pissed on the Jays holding onto JD after his rebound season. They had already started rebuilding....

 

Merryweather.

 

That two year period 2017 and 2018 set them back a fair amount. Wasted money on Bautista, Morales. Botched the Donaldson thing. Made some bad trades like bringing in Grichuk, trading Edward Olivarez, screwed up the Happ return, lost Berti (useful player) for nothing, traded Urshela for nothing, in hindsight didn't get much for Osuna or Seung-hwan Oh or Aaron Loup...

 

They did a couple good things like land Espinal and Teoscar and sign Gurriel but for the most part their execution and decision making sucked for two years.

 

I guess to be fair it's almost to be expected when you take over an organization. Your systems and decision making channels will not be as fine tuned.

[jaysblue]

That two year period 2017 and 2018 set them back a fair amount. Wasted money on Bautista, Morales. Botched the Donaldson thing. Made some bad trades like bringing in Grichuk, trading Edward Olivarez, screwed up the Happ return, lost Berti (useful player) for nothing, traded Urshela for nothing, in hindsight didn't get much for Osuna or Seung-hwan Oh or Aaron Loup...

 

They did a couple good things like land Espinal and Teoscar and sign Gurriel but for the most part their execution and decision making sucked for two years.

 

I guess to be fair it's almost to be expected when you take over an organization. Your systems and decision making channels will not be as fine tuned.

 

Yeah I never understood the Grichuk contract extension at all. I had no issue with the trade when it was made but didn't think there was a need to sign him to an extension.

 

Some other trades like you mentioned, they never got the best value back. Osuna I guess was tough because the allegations against him after.

[Dick_Pole]

Instead of you guys whining about the Donaldson thing five years after the fact, just pretend the trade was Donaldson and Liriano for Hernandez and Merryweather. It'll help you cope.

[Dick_Pole]

This team was constructed in a manner that gave them no chance to win the world series. This is obviously just my opinion. You can only outhit your mistakes for so long.. You can't win with a ss that can't throw you out from the hole when combined with a defensively average cf flanked by 2 guys that couldn't catch a cold. People complain that the pitchers can't get anyone out. There is some truth there but how many times have you seen balls fall in that extend innings.How many times have you seen unmade plays at ss . I am not even talking about the errant throws ,just unmade plays. I don't think any pitching staff could overcome the defensive deficiencies of this team. I must also comment on the lack of effort on this team.I keep hearing about how hard they work.before the game . How about some effort during the game. Watch Cleveland play . As soon as contact is made their eyes are focused on 1st base and they run full speed to put pressure on the defense. Watch the Jays when they make contact. They jog out of the box and watch the fielder to see if they should actually to 1st. I can't count the number of games lost through lack of effort or other baserunning blunders. The only guys who get a pass here are Chapman,Merrifield, Bradley and Jansen.I think that it is no coincidence that 3 of these guys come from other organizations. It doesn't cost anything to run hard to 1st base but it costs plenty not to run.

 

I find it interesting that there is something in common with three of these four players you gave a pass to. Boomer goggles on hard in this rant.

[Jimcanuck]

Instead of you guys whining about the Donaldson thing five years after the fact, just pretend the trade was Donaldson and Liriano for Hernandez and Merryweather. It'll help you cope.

 

Thank you counselor.

[connorp]

Yes, I agree with both missing him and it being the correct choice to move on. Tampa has done this for years. It may not always work, but instead of letting a guy walk in a year, you get immediate help for your major league team plus a high prospesct. Traded 1 year for possibly 9. Its a proven sustainable method which may not be popular and may not work all the time, but its the right move.

 

There really is no clear sign of decline with Teo. I would not bet against a 140 wRC. Anyone that would is dumb. He’s showed in large stretches there was no fluke. You could argue his timing got f***ed up missing time.

 

Anyways, not signing someone to a contract qualifies as being savvy. Not dumping a main piece with one year left when you’re a WS hopeful. Small time teams like Tampa may do it, yeah. But guess what, if their bats don’t go on a crazy fluke like that one year, basically you’re drastically reducing your chances in the post-season

 

Tampa is not worried about that sort of thing. They aren’t building a team for the playoffs. It’s for regular season wins.

[connorp]

I’m not saying you don’t do the deal, but just joining others that say you need a plus bat or move sucks

[Stangstag]

There really is no clear sign of decline with Teo. I would not bet against a 140 wRC. Anyone that would is dumb. He’s showed in large stretches there was no fluke. You could argue his timing got f***ed up missing time.

 

Anyways, not signing someone to a contract qualifies as being savvy. Not dumping a main piece with one year left when you’re a WS hopeful. Small time teams like Tampa may do it, yeah. But guess what, if their bats don’t go on a crazy fluke like that one year, basically you’re drastically reducing your chances in the post-season

 

Tampa is not worried about that sort of thing. They aren’t building a team for the playoffs. It’s for regular season wins.

 

Good point, Teo’s season was excellent other than that abysmal month of May (19 wRC+) where he was trying to get his timing back after the oblique injury. And his 2nd worst month was August with a 120 wRC+ when he was also battling a foot injury in the last couple weeks.

 

Would not be surprised to see him have a stellar walk year

[Jimcanuck]

On the other hand, if you can't afford to resign Teo, you trade him now when replacement options are more widely available, and not at the trade deadline when you are a contender and finding a suitable replacement is harder.

 

And who knows, maybe Teo is the Jays starting RF in April 2024, and Macko is in the rotation.

[connorp]

On the other hand, if you can't afford to resign Teo, you trade him now when replacement options are more widely available, and not at the trade deadline when you are a contender and finding a suitable replacement is harder.

 

And who knows, maybe Teo is the Jays starting RF in April 2024, and Macko is in the rotation.

 

Bro. Seattle just traded pieces for the privilege of paying and having him for one year. Don’t act like keeping him even if it’s for one year when it’s only money you’re paying him isn’t a viable option for a WS contender

[Jimcanuck]

Bro. Seattle just traded pieces for the privilege of paying and having him for one year. Don’t act like keeping him even if it’s for one year when it’s only money you’re paying him isn’t a viable option for a WS contender

 

Bro. Seattle had pieces they considered surplus that Toronto had a need for. You have to look at these things from the both sides' perspective.

[connorp]

Bro. Seattle had pieces they considered surplus that Toronto had a need for. You have to look at these things from the both sides' perspective.

 

Regardless, Teo wasn’t a surplus. Legit WS contenders aren’t trading star players because there’s one year left on their deal. It’s a low budget team move. You can argue it’s the better move in a vacuum, but teams factor other things into the equation, like playoff success in the here-and-now

[Jimcanuck]

Regardless, Teo wasn’t a surplus. Legit WS contenders aren’t trading star players because there’s one year left on their deal. It’s a low budget team move. You can argue it’s the better move in a vacuum, but teams factor other things into the equation, like playoff success in the here-and-now

 

It's pretty obvious there were other reasons for the move, specifically lackadaisical play.

[L54]

Seattle gave up Swanson and Macko to replace Haniger because they don’t wanna pay a 30 year old corner outfielder for 5+ years

 

Seattle didn’t make some super aggressive win now move. They moved one of their better bullpen arms to keep the offence status quo

[Laika]

"legit WS contenders don't trade star players because there's one year left on their deal"

 

this isn't true, of course.

every team makes salary conscious moves. even big budget teams.

 

the dodgers just non-tendered an MVP from a few years ago.

 

the red sox dumped A Gon, Crawford, Beckett one year before winning a World Series.

[connorp]

"legit WS contenders don't trade star players because there's one year left on their deal"

 

this isn't true, of course.

every team makes salary conscious moves. even big budget teams.

 

the dodgers just non-tendered an MVP from a few years ago.

 

the red sox dumped A Gon, Crawford, Beckett one year before winning a World Series.

 

Belly was a non-tender even for the Dodgers lol.

As for your other example, you’re going to go back 20 years ago to prove your point lol

[connorp]

And even if there’s a more recent cherry picked example, doesn’t negate what the norms are. Yanks could’ve traded Judge last year for a nice haul

 

I’m sure for every one you could come up with, there would be 100? of the other scenario

[Laika]

And even if there’s a more recent cherry picked example, doesn’t negate what the norms are. Yanks could’ve traded Judge last year for a nice haul

 

I swear to god you are an NPC

 

Like, someone put you in this universe to just spit out the most inane and predictable lines. And you have no character development.

 

Of course teams with money rarely trade stars for monetary reasons. You aren't saying something profound.

 

Teoscar isn't really Aaron f***ing Judge though, is he? 4 WAR exactly once, ever. nearly a 30% K rate. No hustle, s*** defense.

 

It's a pretty low bar for "star"

[connorp]

I swear to god you are an NPC

 

Like, someone put you in this universe to just spit out the most inane and predictable lines. And you have no character development.

 

Of course teams with money rarely trade stars for monetary reasons. You aren't saying something profound.

 

Teoscar isn't really Aaron f***ing Judge though, is he? 4 WAR exactly once, ever. nearly a 30% K rate. No hustle, s*** defense.

 

It's a pretty low bar for "star"

 

Define it how you want. How about “integral part of the team”. You happy with that?

[connorp]

I swear to god you are an NPC

 

Like, someone put you in this universe to just spit out the most inane and predictable lines. And you have no character development.

 

Of course teams with money rarely trade stars for monetary reasons. You aren't saying something profound.

 

Teoscar isn't really Aaron f***ing Judge though, is he? 4 WAR exactly once, ever. nearly a 30% K rate. No hustle, s*** defense.

 

It's a pretty low bar for "star"

 

Try to change shoes and think about how lame and predictable your comeback was lol.

I took issue the deal and made a generalization that contenders don’t do that.. and you’re like “it happens every blue moon. Remember 36 years ago. It happens”

 

Like no s***. Thanks. I’ll just sit down next time

[max silver]

Try to change shoes and think about how lame and predictable your comeback was lol.

I took issue the deal and made a generalization that contenders don’t do that.. and you’re like “it happens every blue moon. Remember 36 years ago. It happens”

 

Like no s***. Thanks. I’ll just sit down next time

 

You don't have to go that far back to see Mookie Betts traded away by the Red Sox when they couldn't get him inked to a long term deal. I certainly didn't agree with how they watered down the return by moving out Price at the same time though.

[Laika]

Try to change shoes and think about how lame and predictable your comeback was lol.

I took issue the deal and made a generalization that contenders don’t do that.. and you’re like “it happens every blue moon. Remember 36 years ago. It happens”

 

Like no s***. Thanks. I’ll just sit down next time

 

No, it happens all the time you're just a f***ing moron who doesn't pay attention and then talks by bending over and spreading his ass cheeks.

 

s*** like Adam Frazier, 2021 All Star, being traded by the Padres this offseason for some nothing prospects because SDP wanted to save the projected arb salary and thought they could just put something better or more efficient out there at 2B.

 

s*** like the Mets dumping Matz to the Blue Jays for three useless pitchers because they didn't want to pay him his arb3 salary. Did the Mets not want to compete in 2021? Of course they wanted to compete

[L54]

2.5 WAR players with one year of control are completely replaceable. Everyone likes Teoscar because he hits home runs and has a nice smile.