Should the Jays bring back John Schneider as manager?

[Krylian]

81% of you agree that Game 2 was acceptable and should be rewarded with a new contract. Yikes.

 

81% of us are blaming the pitchers.

[Terminator]

81% of us are blaming the pitchers.

 

It's Tim Mayza's fault that Carlos Santana crushes lefties?

 

It's Anthony Bass' fault that Raimel Tapia can't field and Jack Bradley Jr can?

[Krylian]

It's Tim Mayza's fault that Carlos Santana crushes lefties?

 

It's Anthony Bass' fault that Raimel Tapia can't field and Jack Bradley Jr can?

 

yes

[Stangstag]

It's Tim Mayza's fault that Carlos Santana crushes lefties?

 

It's Anthony Bass' fault that Raimel Tapia can't field and Jack Bradley Jr can?

 

Its definitely Bass’ fault he couldn’t get a single f***ing out when we were up by 4 runs. Sure blame the defense for 1 hit, but he’s gotta get some swing and miss.

[Omar]

Five no votes now. The Sheriff is out there canvassing like a crooked politician

[Terminator]

You do realize that Suarez' double against Bass which lead off that inning had an xBA of .040 right? Tapia was shifted over which definitely played a factor but so does the fact that he sucks. Bass bears some responsibility but so does Tapia who shouldn't have even been in the game, the latter of which is Schneider's fault.

[Stangstag]

You do realize that Suarez' double against Bass which lead off that inning had an xBA of .040 right? Tapia was shifted over which definitely played a factor but so does the fact that he sucks. Bass bears some responsibility but so does Tapia who shouldn't have even been in the game, the latter of which is Schneider's fault.

 

I agree, but again Bass faced 3 batters and gave up 3 hits. Lots of people to blame for that loss

[Terminator]

[Omar]

 

0.497 winning percentage

[Stangstag]

0.497 winning percentage

 

What a loser

[Terminator]

0.497 winning percentage

 

I wonder if he knows what splits are? My guess is yes.

[jaysblue]

Its definitely Bass’ fault he couldn’t get a single f***ing out when we were up by 4 runs. Sure blame the defense for 1 hit, but he’s gotta get some swing and miss.

 

Just bad luck. He was one of the best relievers in baseball this season.

[Stangstag]

Just bad luck. He was one of the best relievers in baseball this season.

 

A for effort

[Brownie19]

I’ve seen more than a few games this season in which we were getting our ass’s kicked and the camera would pan to the dugout and you would see the a couple guys in the barrio laughing and smiling like it was no big thing. Always the usual suspects. Intensity level zero. The only time they had some real emotion was when Vladdy had words with Pivetta from the dugout and the benches cleared against the Bosox. Yeah, we’re not in the clubhouse but you dont have to be to see the lackadaisical approach. Maybe it is a byproduct of young players groomed by bongo boy. Who knows but it has to change. If it doesn’t this team won’t win with the current personnel.

 

100% right on.

 

I agree with you 100%

 

Unless you hate losing more than you love winning people won’t understand this critique

 

The 2022 Toronto Blue Jays did not appear to hate losing more than they loved winning

 

All season long it appeared as if there was never any urgency. Someone else will pick us up. It will all be fine.

 

Sorry, but I believe this is a really bad and short sighted take guys. Everyone is different. Some perform better when they are 100% locked in and super serious all the time, but others aren't. Some tight up and play like s*** with that mentality. I also have no problem with people who hate losing - but for some people, the best thing for them is to forget it as soon as the game is over and to move on. It's often very counterproductive for people to agonize over every loss.

 

If you guys think some manager or player is going to come in an demand that everyone acts the same way in the dugout and clubhouse and after every loss - and that it will make them a better team. That's really ignorant.

 

As JH correctly points out, just because they are smiling doesn't mean they don't hate losing. Everyone handles emotions differently - like those who laugh at weddings.

 

Anyone pretending they know what's happening in the clubhouse or we need to move players because of what you see when the camera pans to the dugout is ignorant. This is a really dumb discussion.

[Brownie19]

Did anyone post John's interview the other night where he spoke about his decisions in Game 2? He said the team liked certain matchups (when referring to the Mayza decision)...

[jaysblue]

Did anyone post John's interview the other night where he spoke about his decisions in Game 2? He said the team liked certain matchups (when referring to the Mayza decision)...

 

I saw his interview on Tim & Friends. Tim did ask him about pulling Gausman early. Sounded like it was a collective decision pulling Gausman the way Schneider phrased it.

[RobinThicc]

Own it and say u f***ed up

 

Poor leader!

[MikeM3]

Schneider is another manager inferior to John Gibbons.

[Spanky99]

Did anyone post John's interview the other night where he spoke about his decisions in Game 2? He said the team liked certain matchups (when referring to the Mayza decision)...

 

I saw his interview on Tim & Friends. Tim did ask him about pulling Gausman early. Sounded like it was a collective decision pulling Gausman the way Schneider phrased it.

 

Yeah, saw that one as well, they always use the word collaborating and collectively.

 

https://www.sportsnet.ca/videos/shows/tim-and-friends/

[Stangstag]

Own it and say u f***ed up

 

Poor leader!

 

No manager is ever going to say “I should have used X player instead of Y player because Y player failed”

 

The players need to know their manager believes in them. You don’t throw your guys under the bus after the fact (unless its lack of effort or attitude or something)

[L54]

Sorry, but I believe this is a really bad and short sighted take guys. Everyone is different. Some perform better when they are 100% locked in and super serious all the time, but others aren't. Some tight up and play like s*** with that mentality. I also have no problem with people who hate losing - but for some people, the best thing for them is to forget it as soon as the game is over and to move on. It's often very counterproductive for people to agonize over every loss.

 

If you guys think some manager or player is going to come in an demand that everyone acts the same way in the dugout and clubhouse and after every loss - and that it will make them a better team. That's really ignorant.

 

As JH correctly points out, just because they are smiling doesn't mean they don't hate losing. Everyone handles emotions differently - like those who laugh at weddings.

 

Anyone pretending they know what's happening in the clubhouse or we need to move players because of what you see when the camera pans to the dugout is ignorant. This is a really dumb discussion.

 

Oh okay thanks for your input

 

Everyone is special and should be treated as such

 

Good job this year team!!!!

[L54]

Schneider is another manager inferior to John Gibbons.

 

Yes

 

Guys wouldn’t be giggling like school girls at the end of the dugout if Gibby was in charge

 

We’ll see what happens with John for a full season

[Omar]

Sorry, but I believe this is a really bad and short sighted take guys. Everyone is different. Some perform better when they are 100% locked in and super serious all the time, but others aren't. Some tight up and play like s*** with that mentality. I also have no problem with people who hate losing - but for some people, the best thing for them is to forget it as soon as the game is over and to move on. It's often very counterproductive for people to agonize over every loss.

 

If you guys think some manager or player is going to come in an demand that everyone acts the same way in the dugout and clubhouse and after every loss - and that it will make them a better team. That's really ignorant.

 

As JH correctly points out, just because they are smiling doesn't mean they don't hate losing. Everyone handles emotions differently - like those who laugh at weddings.

 

Anyone pretending they know what's happening in the clubhouse or we need to move players because of what you see when the camera pans to the dugout is ignorant. This is a really dumb discussion.

 

These are not the points that were raised. You're making points against something that wasn't claimed.

 

With regard to it being a "dumb discussion", well thanks for contribution to said discussion.

[L54]

These are not the points that were raised. You're making points against something that wasn't claimed.

 

With regard to it being a "dumb discussion", well thanks for contribution to said discussion.

 

You’re right. Nobody made those points. But it helps him reinforce his argument so shhhhh

[Brownie19]

These are not the points that were raised. You're making points against something that wasn't claimed.

 

With regard to it being a "dumb discussion", well thanks for contribution to said discussion.

 

Give it a f***ing break. You're suggesting a 'couple' of guys in the barrio are laughing and have no intensity and then go on to suggest something has to change or they won't win.

 

So when I suggest you want everyone to act the same way - I'm making s*** up? utter nonsense. You pointed out laughing when they are losing - so yes, I assume you don't want laughing when they are losing and must want the opposite, which would generally be pissed off and to be serious in that situation - right?

 

And yes - Grant is suggesting the players who aren't serious about winning a championship need to go. I'll quote him too next time so you can keep up with the conversation.

Edited October 24, 2022 by Brownie19

[Olerud363]

Give it a f***ing break. You're suggesting a 'couple' of guys in the barrio are laughing and have no intensity and then go on to suggest something has to change or they won't win.

 

So when I suggest you want everyone to act the same way - I'm making s*** up? utter nonsense. You pointed out laughing when they are losing - so yes, I assume you don't want laughing when they are losing, you want them to be pissed off and to be serious in that situation do you not?

 

And yes - Grant is suggesting the players who aren't serious about winning a championship need to go. I'll quote him too next time so you can keep up with the conversation.

 

The team won 92 games and had a winning record against their key divisional rivals NY, Tampa Bay and Baltimore the last 6 weeks of the season. They won tough match ups against Houston at the beginning of the season. They went 15-3 against Boston and single handedly kept them out of contention.

 

So the under-performing part of the season was the mid-season stretch before Schneider took over and obviously the 2 games against Seattle.

 

For the former you can blame Kikuchi and Berrios to a big extent. Do the "players aren't serious" folks, think it was their attitude that caused them to implode?

 

For the latter Manoah, Guerrero, Gausman, Mayza, and Bass arguably under-performed. I say arguably because there was lots of bad luck involved.

 

So are these the players we need to trade because of attitude?

 

So when you say "get rid of the non-winning players" be specific? Who, why and how?

[Jimcanuck]

It's normal for people that are upset to be reactionary.

[John_Havok]

It's normal for people that are upset to be reactionary.

 

Don't forget irrational, illogical, emotional and whiney.

[Olerud363]

It's normal for people that are upset to be reactionary.

 

They haven't mentioned any names though? Who do they want to get rid of for 'non-winning' attitude? Gurriel? He didn't even play in the playoffs. Hernandez? If it wasn't for the bullpen collapse he would have won game 2 with 2 bombs. Kirk? He is a bit out of shape but seems business like and doesn't joke around.

 

Who is this player or player(s) that both had a 'non-winning' attitude and under-performed? hmmmm.... Just like to hear the name and the proposed trade(s) that will fix this problem.

[Omar]

Give it a f***ing break. You're suggesting a 'couple' of guys in the barrio are laughing and have no intensity and then go on to suggest something has to change or they won't win.

 

So when I suggest you want everyone to act the same way - I'm making s*** up? utter nonsense. You pointed out laughing when they are losing - so yes, I assume you don't want laughing when they are losing and must want the opposite, which would generally be pissed off and to be serious in that situation - right?

 

And yes - Grant is suggesting the players who aren't serious about winning a championship need to go. I'll quote him too next time so you can keep up with the conversation.

 

Yes something has to change. I didn’t mention moving players rather a cultural shift. You never quoted Grant so I assumed this was directed at me. There is such a thing as team culture and chemistry. In my opinion this team needs to change both. Schneider may be the guy to do it. I stand by my opinions. You think it’s dumb. So be it.