Should Rocket Raimel Tapia be tendered?

[Laika]

For all the "Contenders don't give players like Tapia 500 PA" people.

 

Tapia: 433 PAs, 0.2 WAR

Y Gurriel(Astros): 584 PAs, -0.9 WAR

Castellanos(Phillies): 558 PAs, -0.8 WAR

 

I guess they're technically right, they give them more than 500.

 

lmao

 

Taylor Walls, Marcell Ozuna also come to mind. Jesse Winker, Joey Gallo.

 

Most good teams have one position player just tanking it

[Brownie19]

For all the "Contenders don't give players like Tapia 500 PA" people.

 

Tapia: 433 PAs, 0.2 WAR

Y Gurriel(Astros): 584 PAs, -0.9 WAR

Castellanos(Phillies): 558 PAs, -0.8 WAR

 

I guess they're technically right, they give them more than 500.

 

And keep in mind those players were the starters. Philly's 4th OFer, Matt Vierling also gave them 0 WAR in 357 PA's.

[Jimcanuck]

For all the "Contenders don't give players like Tapia 500 PA" people.

 

Tapia: 433 PAs, 0.2 WAR

Y Gurriel(Astros): 584 PAs, -0.9 WAR

Castellanos(Phillies): 558 PAs, -0.8 WAR

 

I guess they're technically right, they give them more than 500.

 

Ya, but I don't think Yuli and NickC should be mentioned in the same breath as the Rocket

[wilko]

Ya, but I don't think Yuli and NickC should be mentioned in the same breath as the Rocket

 

Because he's better than them?

[Jimcanuck]

Because he's better than them?

 

It's the Rocket, man

[The Iceman]

My worst fears were realized when Rocket was the Jays last player AB of the season.

 

I would have PH ANYBODY

[Stangstag]

My worst fears were realized when Rocket was the Jays last player AB of the season.

 

I would have PH ANYBODY

 

Yup

[keggy]

For all the "Contenders don't give players like Tapia 500 PA" people.

 

Tapia: 433 PAs, 0.2 WAR

Y Gurriel(Astros): 584 PAs, -0.9 WAR

Castellanos(Phillies): 558 PAs, -0.8 WAR

 

I guess they're technically right, they give them more than 500.

 

Now post their career WAR.

[John_Havok]

Now post their career WAR.

 

Tapia- 1.3

Yuli - 10.3

Castellanos - 12.3

 

Yeah, I guess that proves they’re all the same pile of trash.

[The Cats Ass]

Now post their career WAR.

 

I didn’t know career stats helped their 2022 teams. Do teams get bonus points in the standings for past performance of their players?

[The Cats Ass]

Tapia- 1.3

Yuli - 10.3

Castellanos - 12.3

 

Yeah, I guess that proves they’re all the same pile of trash.

 

We should probably trade for Miggy. He is like 70 career WAR. He can also cover LF/RF and 3B.

[Spanky99]

I didn’t know career stats helped their 2022 teams. Do teams get bonus points in the standings for past performance of their players?

 

So what you're saying is Tapia's a better player going forward? I find it highly unlikely if so. And isn't relevant to this team at all, just saying. Tapia should be fired into the Sun. LGJ is a better 4th OF option. Defensively they can roster an all glove CF again for peanuts and use Merrifield as the immediate backup to Springer in CF. Hell, lets see how Biggio looks in CF with reps in camp.

 

ETA: Wow they all suck, Castellanos not as bad, but for his money... *pukes*

Edited October 20, 2022 by Spanky99

[The Cats Ass]

So what you're saying is Tapia's a better player going forward? I find it highly unlikely if so. And isn't relevant to this team at all, just saying. Tapia should be fired into the Sun. LGJ is a better 4th OF option. Defensively they can roster an all glove CF again for peanuts and use Merrifield as the immediate backup to Springer in CF. Hell, lets see how Biggio looks in CF with reps in camp.

 

ETA: Wow they all suck, Castellanos not as bad, but for his money... *pukes*

 

I'm not saying any of them are good players going forward. That wasn't the debate. It was that contenders still give atbats to below average players. At least our plug didn't produce a negative WAR like those other guys.

[peterkim]

the only problem to release him is

1. we gave up grichuk for nothing

2. Baltimore will claim him and he will steal 15 bases per year against blue jays

[Spanky99]

I'm not saying any of them are good players going forward. That wasn't the debate. It was that contenders still give atbats to below average players. At least our plug didn't produce a negative WAR like those other guys.

 

Aye... Gotcha. If you really want just compare the bats to position at league average, just use wRC+, right?

 

Like CF wRC+ would likely be quite low I'd think. 1B/OF for the others. That's what I was thinking aloud basically, Mary Jane dude. Hah!

[glory]

For all the "Contenders don't give players like Tapia 500 PA" people.

 

Tapia: 433 PAs, 0.2 WAR

Y Gurriel(Astros): 584 PAs, -0.9 WAR

Castellanos(Phillies): 558 PAs, -0.8 WAR

 

I guess they're technically right, they give them more than 500.

 

Gurriel and Castellanos were good MLB players as recently as 2021 with a track record prior to that of being good. Tapia has been awful his entire career, was awful in 2021, and predictably awful again in 2022.

 

There's no chance any other contending team would have given Tapia as much PA's as the Jays did unless it was due to massive amounts of injury to their starting OF's. It's one thing to give playing time to someone with a track record who just inexplicably sucks for whatever reason, but it's different when it is someone who has always sucked and you know will suck again. The latter is Tapia.

[Jimcanuck]

the only problem to release him is

1. we gave up grichuk for nothing

2. Baltimore will claim him and he will steal 15 bases per year against blue jays

 

1. was a massive win

[Laika]

Tapia out-WAR'd Castellanos and Gurriel in 2020, lol

 

The Rocket played like a 2 win player in 2020 and close to a 1 win player in 2021

 

I don't know what your definition of "awful" is but he looked like an above replacement level guy, at the least. Plenty of contending teams end up giving playing time to dudes who are somewhere between replacement level and average.

 

People need to leave Tapia alone. He did not flourish here but he also did not sink the team, and his acquisition was not a blunder by the front office.

 

Yeah, they misused him at times.

[Spanky99]

Gurriel and Castellanos were good MLB players as recently as 2021 with a track record prior to that of being good. Tapia has been awful his entire career, was awful in 2021, and predictably awful again in 2022.

 

There's no chance any other contending team would have given Tapia as much PA's as the Jays did unless it was due to massive amounts of injury to their starting OF's. It's one thing to give playing time to someone with a track record who just inexplicably sucks for whatever reason, but it's different when it is someone who has always sucked and you know will suck again. The latter is Tapia.

 

To be fair, Gurriel, Teoscar and Springer were hurt several times this season, you can't help that. And yes, Tapia suxxxxxxxx

[John_Havok]

Tapia out-WAR'd Castellanos and Gurriel in 2020, lol

 

The Rocket played like a 2 win player in 2020 and close to a 1 win player in 2021

 

I don't know what your definition of "awful" is but he looked like an above replacement level guy, at the least. Plenty of contending teams end up giving playing time to dudes who are somewhere between replacement level and average.

 

People need to leave Tapia alone. He did not flourish here but he also did not sink the team, and his acquisition was not a blunder by the front office.

 

Yeah, they misused him at times.

 

I legit hate his face. And hair. And how he runs like a blind baby giraffe.

[Brownie19]

The Phillies OF was so s***** this year that Bradley Zimmer, in all of 9 games and 16 PA's was actually one of their most productive backup outfielders (52 wRC+ and 0.2 WAR). They just started Castellanos (-0.7 WAR) and Matt Vierling (0.0 WAR) last night in the ALCS.

[Laika]

I legit hate his face. And hair. And how he runs like a blind baby giraffe.

 

he underperforms at everything he does

 

runs funny

bad routes

bad jumps

bad swings

game power < raw power

 

it's remarkable really

[John_Havok]

he underperforms at everything he does

 

runs funny

bad routes

bad jumps

bad swings

game power < raw power

 

it's remarkable really

 

The pushups at home are plus though.

[max silver]

So what you're saying is Tapia's a better player going forward? I find it highly unlikely if so. And isn't relevant to this team at all, just saying. Tapia should be fired into the Sun. LGJ is a better 4th OF option. Defensively they can roster an all glove CF again for peanuts and use Merrifield as the immediate backup to Springer in CF. Hell, lets see how Biggio looks in CF with reps in camp.

 

ETA: Wow they all suck, Castellanos not as bad, but for his money... *pukes*

 

Gurriel is a terrible choice for a 4th outfielder given that he can only play one outfield position, and is average in that position at best.

[glory]

Tapia out-WAR'd Castellanos and Gurriel in 2020, lol

 

The Rocket played like a 2 win player in 2020 and close to a 1 win player in 2021

 

I don't know what your definition of "awful" is but he looked like an above replacement level guy, at the least. Plenty of contending teams end up giving playing time to dudes who are somewhere between replacement level and average.

 

People need to leave Tapia alone. He did not flourish here but he also did not sink the team, and his acquisition was not a blunder by the front office.

 

Yeah, they misused him at times.

 

He is essentially a 0.0-0.5 WAR player when given 400-500 PA's a season and most of that is purely off base running. Awful might be harsh but either way he's not good. For the better part of the year he was below replacement level. The Jays excessively playing him even when everyone was healthy is more of an indictment on the Jays than it is on Tapia though, so I shouldn't be too hard on him. He is what he is and the Jays should have known better.

[Spanky99]

Gurriel is a terrible choice for a 4th outfielder given that he can only play one outfield position, and is average in that position at best.

 

Doesn't mean he'd be out there everyday(hence 4th OFer)... and did you not read the rest of my post? He's been our regular LFer for years now???

[RobinThicc]

Obviously not

[Stangstag]

The Phillies OF was so s***** this year that Bradley Zimmer, in all of 9 games and 16 PA's was actually one of their most productive backup outfielders (52 wRC+ and 0.2 WAR). They just started Castellanos (-0.7 WAR) and Matt Vierling (0.0 WAR) last night in the ALCS.

 

The Phillies are such a bleh team with a few exciting players. Harper, Realmuto, Nola, Wheeler…. Maybe Schwarber. Rest of the team is average

 

Hopefully the Padres win

[Brownie19]

Gurriel is a terrible choice for a 4th outfielder given that he can only play one outfield position, and is average in that position at best.

 

Then so is Tapia. At least Gurriel can hit (better). I think this team currently has enough versatility between Springer, Merrifield, Teo, Gurriel, Biggio, etc. Merrifield can be the backup CFer when Springer needs the day off - and of course, if we want to carry a 5th OFer like Zimmer or JBJ - that gives us what we need to allow Gurriel to be the primary 4th OFer (ie, getting the 450 PA's that Tapia did this year) if we add another OF and move Gurriel to the 4th OFer position.

[Brownie19]

The Phillies are such a bleh team with a few exciting players. Harper, Realmuto, Nola, Wheeler…. Maybe Schwarber. Rest of the team is average

 

Hopefully the Padres win

 

Schwarber hit 46 hrs and just hit a 488 foot home run. He's an exciting player. Nothing wrong with Hoskins. Bohm and Stott are interesting for Philly too (although not yet good players). Padres have Soto, Manny, Cronenworth, Darvish, Snell and Musgrove...not much difference. And Machado is a huge douche bag. Go Phillies.