GDT: Jays @ O's Gm 3/4 LETS GO... 6 IN A ROW!!!

[BigCecil]

lol... I killed a lot of catchers in my day.

 

Me too. I got in a huge scrap at home once with the C I just bowled over. I played outside linebacker for a Cdn college at the time and gave him everything I had at full speed. At the time, that was what I thought we were supposed to do, which now seems a bit crazy.

[Spanky99]

Me too. I got in a huge scrap at home once with the C I just bowled over. I played outside linebacker for a Cdn college at the time and gave him everything I had at full speed. At the time, that was what I thought we were supposed to do, which now seems a bit crazy.

 

Oh, sure. lol... it was fun. I played 12th man in Rugby too, good times.

[BigCecil]

This was during an All-Star game LOLOLOL! Look at the third base coach clapping in the background:cool:

 

LOL. Its like the celebrating everyone did of Scott Stevens hits at the blueline which Ko'ed Karyia and Lindros, which would now get him incarcerated.

[Grant77]

Call me crazy, but I just think it shouldn't be blocking the plate if a catcher doesn't block the plate.

 

I get the controversy over the Sanchez call, but he did at least drop his lower leg in front of the plate. Kirk didn't even move from a standing position.

[Omar]

LOL. Its like the celebrating everyone did of Scott Stevens hits at the blueline which Ko'ed Karyia and Lindros, which would now get him incarcerated.

 

"You're next. I'm coming for ya"

 

[Brownie19]

I would argue he blocked the plate before he has the ball though. That was the violation I think. He was literally standing in front of the plate as Rutschman is trying to decide where to slide

 

Yeah - sure - I think that's correct. I just don't understand the rule at all. If someone stands in front of the plate waiting for the ball, I don't think it affects the runner at all - provided he moves out of the way by the time the runner arrives at the plate (which Kirk did).

 

Oddly enough - John Schneider just said that Adley was actually safe on the play anyway, but Baltimore didn't challenge that component of the play.

[Stottlemyres_Bloody_Chin]

We'll said

[Omar]

Call me crazy, but I just think it shouldn't be blocking the plate if a catcher doesn't block the plate.

 

I get the controversy over the Sanchez call, but he did at least drop his lower leg in front of the plate. Kirk didn't even move from a standing position.

 

I think he was in the lane before the ball arrived which MAY cause the runner to alter his approach to the plate.

 

[Spanky99]

"You're next. I'm coming for ya"

 

 

My man.

[Omar]

From MLB:

 

The catcher is not permitted to block the runner's path to the plate unless he is in possession of the ball, though blocking the path of the runner in a legitimate attempt to receive a throw is not considered a violation. The runner can be ruled safe if the umpire determines the catcher violated this rule. But per a September 2014 memorandum to the rule, the runner may still be called out if he was clearly beaten by the throw. Backstops are not subject to this rule on force plays.

When receiving a throw, catchers will often provide a sliding lane into home plate for the runner to lower the possibility that they will be called for violating the rule. Likewise, runners can lower their chances of being called for a violation by sliding in the given lane.

 

....clear as mud

[Spanky99]

I think he was in the lane before the ball arrived which MAY cause the runner to alter his approach to the plate.

 

 

But that's ball, adjust, catchers have to. Or abolish this travesty.

[Spanky99]

From MLB:

 

The catcher is not permitted to block the runner's path to the plate unless he is in possession of the ball, though blocking the path of the runner in a legitimate attempt to receive a throw is not considered a violation. The runner can be ruled safe if the umpire determines the catcher violated this rule. But per a September 2014 memorandum to the rule, the runner may still be called out if he was clearly beaten by the throw. Backstops are not subject to this rule on force plays.

When receiving a throw, catchers will often provide a sliding lane into home plate for the runner to lower the possibility that they will be called for violating the rule. Likewise, runners can lower their chances of being called for a violation by sliding in the given lane.

 

....clear as mud

 

lol

[Stangstag]

From MLB:

 

The catcher is not permitted to block the runner's path to the plate unless he is in possession of the ball, though blocking the path of the runner in a legitimate attempt to receive a throw is not considered a violation. The runner can be ruled safe if the umpire determines the catcher violated this rule. But per a September 2014 memorandum to the rule, the runner may still be called out if he was clearly beaten by the throw. Backstops are not subject to this rule on force plays.

When receiving a throw, catchers will often provide a sliding lane into home plate for the runner to lower the possibility that they will be called for violating the rule. Likewise, runners can lower their chances of being called for a violation by sliding in the given lane.

 

....clear as mud

 

Yeah that’s some s*** wording. Need to clean this up for next year.

[Spanky99]

[Pendleton]

I'm just disappointed that no one took the opportunity to knock Odor clear out of his cleats with a sucker punch

[Grant77]

From MLB:

 

The catcher is not permitted to block the runner's path to the plate unless he is in possession of the ball, though blocking the path of the runner in a legitimate attempt to receive a throw is not considered a violation. The runner can be ruled safe if the umpire determines the catcher violated this rule. But per a September 2014 memorandum to the rule, the runner may still be called out if he was clearly beaten by the throw. Backstops are not subject to this rule on force plays.

When receiving a throw, catchers will often provide a sliding lane into home plate for the runner to lower the possibility that they will be called for violating the rule. Likewise, runners can lower their chances of being called for a violation by sliding in the given lane.

 

....clear as mud

 

The part I'm unclear on is what constitutes blocking the path of the runner? Rutschman had a clear and obvious path to the plate the entire time.

 

We've never seen a call like this where the catcher is standing up the entire time and the plate is clearly visible to the runner. All of the previous calls involve a catcher dropping a knee or physically blocking the player, rather than a catcher momentarily crossing the plate while the runner is half way from third.

 

This is taking the rule to a whole new level. We could have seen a minimum of 100 calls overturned this year if this was the standard all along.

[Ryu In My House]

I'm just disappointed that no one took the opportunity to knock Odor clear out of his cleats with a sucker punch

 

In a pile, I would totally whale away on that POS.

[Jimcanuck]

I wouldn't want any players engaging with Odor the f***ing psychopath. The manager or the coaches, sure.

[DigitalRock]

Bryan baker lol, who the f*** is that idiot?

[Laika]

I can't understand the call with Kirk.

 

The Sanchez call I saw the justification for because of dropping his knee. Like he physically began blocking the plate before the ball touched his glove.

 

All Kirk did was inch towards exactly where the ball was thrown. And how can they say Rutschman had no sliding lane when he literally slid into the plate without contacting Kirk?

 

It's complete nonsense.

 

I just don't understand why the SETUP of the catcher even matters. All that should matter is whether or not the runner has a clear lane to the plate when they slide.

[Brownie19]

I can't understand the call with Kirk.

 

The Sanchez call I saw the justification for because of dropping his knee. Like he physically began blocking the plate before the ball touched his glove.

 

All Kirk did was inch towards exactly where the ball was thrown. And how can they say Rutschman had no sliding lane when he literally slid into the plate without contacting Kirk?

 

It's complete nonsense.

 

I just don't understand why the SETUP of the catcher even matters. All that should matter is whether or not the runner has a clear lane to the plate when they slide.

 

I agree with all of this; however, I believe the setup of the catcher still matters because technically the catcher CAN block the plate still (provided he does A, B and C correct). The setup matters because the runner needs to be able to see where that catcher is so he can plan how he's going to get to home plate in the event the catcher is blocking it (ie hook slides).

 

This rule needs to be changed this offseason. Enough with the BS of trying to still allow the catcher to block the plate to keep the boomers happy. If the player can't lower the shoulder (which he shouldn't be allowed to), then the catcher can't block the plate, period. Then the catcher can do whatever the f*** he wants as long as he doesn't impede the runner or block the plate - just like a 3rd baseman would do on a long throw from RF.

 

This is such a simple fix. I have to think the only reason it's not in place is because of those who think blocking the plate is a great skill that should be left in the sport. Just f***ing punt those people to the moon and get on with it. They're the same people who complained about removing take out slides at 2nd base and literally nobody cares about that anymore.