GDT: Jays @ Twins Game 4 of 4 Get the Split!

[Spanky99]

Silver lining....we didn't play well but we still got a split.

 

 

 

Best gif ever... WOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!

[Omar]

Romano gets the W!

[Spanky99]

Caleb Joseph makes a good point after the game. Gary Sanchez was standing directly in the lane before the ball was even in the air and never moved from his illegal position. The league has been consistent in making that call, even today.

 

Yeah, both Chirinos and Sanchez basically sat on the plate, if they allow that then you have collisions next, period.

[JaysAllMighty]

Easy win! Congrats Jays 2/2 split series.

[M.E.]

Jays can get inside 10 if the Yanks score holds. That would be nice.

[BigCecil]

When you going west again? I thought today?

 

Ya. Just flying en route to Alaska fishing. Was following on gameday with my son. Saw 2-0. Then took off. Now reading this thread LOL. Heart attack salad. Romano is good. But he isn't that good. His stuff can be so far from elite. Oh well a W is a W! We"ll take it.

[Spanky99]

Ya. Just flying en route to Alaska fishing. Was following on gameday with my son. Saw 2-0. Then took off. Now reading this thread LOL. Heart attack salad. Romano is good. But he isn't that good. His stuff can be so far from elite. Oh well a W is a W! We"ll take it.

 

Send me some halibut, lol... enjoy buddy. Any win's a good day, I aged a year though.

[BigCecil]

I can't believe we got the call

 

Lol

 

I've watched it like 20 times and he pretty clearly goes down to block the plate with his knee before he is in any tagging motion. I think it's the right call technically, but I'm shocked we got it. That was a shallow f***ing sac fly ball attempt. Whit, of the good body, be fast. And I drink the tears of the MINN fans. Amazing to get a split on the road against a good team when we really didn't play well.

[Solaxys]

I've watched it like 20 times and he pretty clearly goes down to block the plate with his knee before he is in any tagging motion. I think it's the right call technically, but I'm shocked we got it. That was a shallow f***ing sac fly ball attempt. Whit, of the good body, be fast. And I drink the tears of the MINN fans. Amazing to get a split on the road against a good team when we really didn't play well.

 

 

Can't do that. Merrifield started his slide, the knee is going down before ball is in glove. I.e. You are blocking the lane before ball is in glove.

 

You either stand infront of the plate (he could've considering he caught that ball in a half crouch) and swipe back or you stand over the plate but no knee bends so the lane stays open until you have the ball.

[harvey16]

I can't believe that call was actually overturned! I could understand if it was called obstruction on the field, but to overturn a call I thought there had to be 100% certainty? Even Tabby and Shulman seemed to be in disbelief. Don't get me wrong I'm happy we got the win, but if the roles were reversed I'd be pissed.

 

I think the catcher obstruction rule needs more clarification tbh. Was exactly is considered a "lane" for the baserunner? Too much ambiguity and leaves to much up to interpretation of the rule.

[Stangstag]

 

Can't do that. Merrifield started his slide, the knee is going down before ball is in glove. I.e. You are blocking the lane before ball is in glove.

 

You either stand infront of the plate (he could've considering he caught that ball in a half crouch) and swipe back or you stand over the plate but no knee bends so the lane stays open until you have the ball.

 

Haven’t seen the play yet, but going off this picture it seems totally legal. You see catchers move into the line all the time AS they are catching the ball. Depends how he was set up before the throw came in though. Whatev, its done and we won that’s what matters!

[Stangstag]

Watching the play now, i’d guess the issue was that Sanchez was straddling the line in front of home plate way before the throw came in. Whit wasn’t given a lane to slide as he was coming down the line. Knee coming down to block seems legal to me, the illegal part is the setup before the throw came

[Stangstag]

This was the violation IMO

[Grant77]

Rocco Baldelli absolutely lost his mind after the game. He's going to get a sizable fine for sure.

 

His reaction is a little puzzling. He says that the call is never made, even though it is fairly regularly, including another today. Even so, it's a fairly straightforward example of why the Posey rule was implemented. Merrifield would have bowled him over before the rule was implemented, as he had no other choice.

[Stangstag]

Rocco Baldelli absolutely lost his mind after the game. He's going to get a sizable fine for sure.

 

His reaction is a little puzzling. He says that the call is never made, even though it is fairly regularly, including another today. Even so, it's a fairly straightforward example of why the Posey rule was implemented. Merrifield would have bowled him over before the rule was implemented, as he had no other choice.

 

Fairly regularly? You almost never see obstruction calls made at home. Maybe like one per year in the league.

 

That’s the problem though, the inconsistency. Catchers technically violate the rule all the time but obstruction is barely ever called.

[Solaxys]

It would've been but that's where the ball was thrown, at least from SN feed.

 

That set up is fine if that is the trajectory of the ball (and he had to stand there to catch the ball), which is what it looked like.

There was still a lane present there for Whit to slide (through the legs).

The knee going down and thus blocking the access of the sliding leg to the plate, afaik, can only happen if he has possession of the ball.

 

Whatever, have to wait for Jomboy's review.

 

 

That was the Os game that happened earlier. He had no lane before the ball was caught (couldn't even slide there cause that'd easily invoke the Buster Posey rule).

The only way he could receive that ball was where he stood (or maybe behind the plate?), not even sure how he could've given the lane there short of not crouching on one knee.

[Solaxys]

 

Better angle; can see that the runner had no lane to slide - knee was shutting it down before the ball even got there.

 

f*** if I know how the catcher could receive the ball there without standing on the plate. I think its the knee.

[Laika]

I think Gary Sanchez blew it by dropping his knee too early.

 

He really didn't need to drop his leg at all. Just catch and tag and Whit is probably out. But if he had waited another split second to drop his body down it's also probably clean.

 

When you watch it slow mo he's clearly blocking the sliding path before the ball is in his glove.

[Grant77]

Fairly regularly? You almost never see obstruction calls made at home. Maybe like one per year in the league.

 

That’s the problem though, the inconsistency. Catchers technically violate the rule all the time but obstruction is barely ever called.

 

I found 4 since June with a quick google search, including another one today. There have probably been more than that.

 

We've seen that call go against the Jays multiple times, but catchers have generally been pretty good about making sure it isn't an issue

[Stangstag]

I found 4 since June with a quick google search, including another one today. There have probably been more than that.

 

We've seen that call go against the Jays multiple times, but catchers have generally been pretty good about making sure it isn't an issue

 

Definitely more than I thought. I haven’t seen a hotly contested call like today’s in quite a while

[Stangstag]

 

Better angle; can see that the runner had no lane to slide - knee was shutting it down before the ball even got there.

 

f*** if I know how the catcher could receive the ball there without standing on the plate. I think its the knee.

 

Field it to your side instead of fielding it at your croch

[BigCecil]

Coincidentally I was watching a documentary Pelotero this am from 2009 with my son about the 16 year old signings of Sanchez and Miguel Sano, whose nickname is "Big Mouth" in the DR. Sanchez got over $5M and was the huge deal at the time. He had a hot start in the bigs but has always been a defensive liability. Bocaton got $3.1M. Got signed as a SS. Got fat and now sucks pretty much.

[Key22]

The thing the reviewers probably noted was that Sanchez's leg blocked the plate before he actually caught the ball - there was no clear path to the plate for Merrifield- the Minnesota players say there was a path to the plate but there was none. If the leg didn't block the plate Merrifield would have beaten the tag.

 

Anyway - we get plenty of crap calls that go against us so it's nice to get one for a change.

[PhillyBlueJay]

This was noted from Jays stats guys and this was put on the table before the game/series.

 

They knew from Leon’s history he blocks the plate and sets up exactly where he did today. Luckily the Jays had an opportunity to put the play on sort’a speak knowing if a runner tags every player was advised to slide straight into him as he will try to block the plate from his past days.

 

The Jays and manager called the review way to quick as if they knew to do this beforehand in an attempt to use the knowledge that had in their back pocket and waited for the right time to pull the card!

 

To me that falls into baseball back room tactics like the ole pine tar incident lol! Time for Jays to start leveraging things like this to their advantage!

[Solaxys]

 

Whoever runs the twitter account has no chill, damn

[Ehjays]

This was noted from Jays stats guys and this was put on the table before the game/series.

 

They knew from Leon’s history he blocks the plate and sets up exactly where he did today. Luckily the Jays had an opportunity to put the play on sort’a speak knowing if a runner tags every player was advised to slide straight into him as he will try to block the plate from his past days.

 

The Jays and manager called the review way to quick as if they knew to do this beforehand in an attempt to use the knowledge that had in their back pocket and waited for the right time to pull the card!

 

To me that falls into baseball back room tactics like the ole pine tar incident lol! Time for Jays to start leveraging things like this to their advantage!

 

 

It was Sanchez but I get your point

[Jimcanuck]

Can't block the plate until have possession of the ball. If the ball flight is into the runner's path that doesn't allow a catcher to set up in front of the plate to receive it. Its a bad throw, like a 1B throwing into the runner going to 2B.

 

The rule says nothing about the path of the throw.

[Solaxys]

The overturn happened in Padres game last week:

Very similar.

 

Analysis on today:

 

Shrugs.

 

Apparently, David Beckham double clutched and because the ball was not in the air, the first shuffle into foul territory by Sanchez was considered blocking?

[Jays24]

Caleb Joseph makes a good point after the game. Gary Sanchez was standing directly in the lane before the ball was even in the air and never moved from his illegal position. The league has been consistent in making that call, even today.

 

That is exactly how I saw it in live action. It's one thing if the throw took him to the path but the man was blocking home plate the entire time. If he's gonna do that then Merrified should have been able to bodycheck his ass into the backstop. He obviously can't anymore because of the rule.

[Omar]