GDT - The Reinforcements Have Arrived - Jays @ Twins Game 1/4

[Solaxys]

didn't see that coming lol

[Jonn]

Hes always been that kind of guy though. You could say the same thing about Biggio, Chapman, Kirk. Anyone not part of the Springer/Teo/Gurriel/Vlad group looks like a loner lol.

 

That is true. But I am looking at it from a variety of different factors. Hes sliding down the lineup. Hes obviously not having a very good season. He rejected a contract extension in the off-season. The Jays have to make big finanical decisions soon. And one of them is if they want to lock up Bo to play Shortstop for the kind of number hes commanding because clearly the Jays didn't meet it the last time and are they willing to exceed that based on his performance this season. They can't sign all of them. Decisions on the core are coming soon.

[JFD]

oof fits right in

[Jays24]

40+IP with Miami and 1 HR allowed

0.1IP with Jays and 1 HR allowed.

 

Time to panic? Lol

[Solaxys]

40+IP with Miami and 1 HR allowed

0.1IP with Jays and 1 HR allowed.

 

Time to panic? Lol

 

ANOTHER BRAD HAND?! cf

[Jonn]

This is Bass's first appearance since July 28th. Not overly worried. Guys like him are better the more they pitch.

[Omar]

That is true. But I am looking at it from a variety of different factors. Hes sliding down the lineup. Hes obviously not having a very good season. He rejected a contract extension in the off-season. The Jays have to make big finanical decisions soon. And one of them is if they want to lock up Bo to play Shortstop for the kind of number hes commanding because clearly the Jays didn't meet it the last time and are they willing to exceed that based on his performance this season. They can't sign all of them. Decisions on the core are coming soon.

 

I doubt he gets moved in the offseason. More prudent to let him have a bounceback season and trade him when his value is higher than now. That seems like more of an Atkins type move.

[Jaysareus]

With cimber and Richards kind of scary they needed help

[Omar]

Good to see the new guys contribute to the W!

 

[Jays24]

That is true. But I am looking at it from a variety of different factors. Hes sliding down the lineup. Hes obviously not having a very good season. He rejected a contract extension in the off-season. The Jays have to make big finanical decisions soon. And one of them is if they want to lock up Bo to play Shortstop for the kind of number hes commanding because clearly the Jays didn't meet it the last time and are they willing to exceed that based on his performance this season. They can't sign all of them. Decisions on the core are coming soon.

 

Ya but I think the extension talks were probably the Jays trying to lowball both Vlad/Bo based on where they're at in their contracts.

 

I personally like Bo but don't see him as a superstar that should be exceeding 300M. I think we'll see a lot of stuff happening internally with Gurriel/Teo/Chapman entering their walk years too.

[Krylian]

I feel Bo's going to get traded in the Off-Season. Anyone else get that vibe hes kinda distant?

 

I was thinking about that after the addition of Merrifield. Maybe Atkins has already laid down the groundwork for a significant offseason move.

[Solaxys]

I personally like Bo but don't see him as a superstar that should be exceeding 300M. I think we'll see a lot of stuff happening internally with Gurriel/Teo/Chapman entering their walk years too.

 

300M is like a ballpark away from what Bo should get, even if we assume last year's performance is what he'll be for the rest of his career. 10-15M AAV is tops; he isn't elite even when he's on, just a good player who is having a league average season.

[Jays24]

300M is like a ballpark away from what Bo should get, even if we assume last year's performance is what he'll be for the rest of his career. 10-15M AAV is tops; he isn't elite even when he's on, just a good player who is having a league average season.

 

There is no way Bo thinks he's anything less than a 25-30M per year type player, especially before entering this season. Dude never batted below 4th in his life before today so this season has been humbling for him probably. The truth is somewhere in between with him being worth about 20M per season during his prime years.

 

Bo/Vlad come from money so theyre not in the same position as other players who would jump on the first long term big money deal they get offered. They will both bet on themselves until they get the deal they deem right.

[Omar]

There is no way Bo thinks he's anything less than a 25-30M per year type player, especially before entering this season. Dude never batted below 4th in his life before today so this season has been humbling for him probably. The truth is somewhere in between with him being worth about 20M per season during his prime years.

 

Bo/Vlad come from money so theyre not in the same position as other players who would jump on the first long term big money deal they get offered. They will both bet on themselves until they get the deal they deem right.

 

This is a very valid point. These guys were not living hand to mouth in the minors like other players. Maybe some entitlement mixed in there.

[Solaxys]

There is no way Bo thinks he's anything less than a 25-30M per year type player, especially before entering this season. Dude never batted below 4th in his life before today so this season has been humbling for him probably. The truth is somewhere in between with him being worth about 20M per season during his prime years.

 

Bo/Vlad come from money so theyre not in the same position as other players who would jump on the first long term big money deal they get offered. They will both bet on themselves until they get the deal they deem right.

 

Ya that's fair and he can go for that kind of money if he wants.

Jays shouldn't bite at all; his plate discipline will not scale and his arm from SS still lacks consistent accuracy.

 

Vlad is worth the deal - a bit north of what Austin Riley got, atm (but he can still repeat a MVP year and get absolutely paid by us).

I can even see LGJ getting a good deal if he continues this OBP streak.

We also have to consider Kirk, Manoah, possibly another CF, lefty slugger bats for the future.

 

Bo is not a commitment that is smart to make, not unless he makes some dramatic changes to his plate approach or he goes for relatively cheap.

[Jays24]

Ya that's fair and he can go for that kind of money if he wants.

Jays shouldn't bite at all; his plate discipline will not scale and his arm from SS still lacks consistent accuracy.

 

Vlad is worth the deal - a bit north of what Austin Riley got, atm (but he can still repeat a MVP year and get absolutely paid by us).

I can even see LGJ getting a good deal if he continues this OBP streak.

We also have to consider Kirk, Manoah, possibly another CF, lefty slugger bats for the future.

 

Bo is not a commitment that is smart to make, not unless he makes some dramatic changes to his plate approach or he goes for relatively cheap.

 

Ya I agree with you... I see too many flaws to lock ourselves into a big longterm deal with Bo at the moment.

 

However, SS is a crucial position so we will need to allocate big funds there to someone else eventually, if not Bo. This offseason will be very telling as to who we expect to be part of our core moving forward. I think we bring back Chapman and one of Gurriel/Teo and add a legit CF.

[Omar]

One of Lourdes or Teo will get moved in the off season I think. What happens to Chapman after next season? A couple of years ago I thought they would eventually move Groshans to 3b. Maybe they get Chapman to agree on a 4 year deal. I wish we had a high ceiling centre fielder for when Springer moves to right field next year (his time at cf is done after this season).

 

The wish list grows.

[Jays24]

One of Lourdes or Teo will get moved in the off season I think. What happens to Chapman after next season? A couple of years ago I thought they would eventually move Groshans to 3b. Maybe they get Chapman to agree on a 4 year deal. I wish we had a high ceiling centre fielder for when Springer moves to right field next year (his time at cf is done after this season).

 

The wish list grows.

 

Stop copying me... jeez lol

[Omar]

Ya I agree with you... I see too many flaws to lock ourselves into a big longterm deal with Bo at the moment.

 

However, SS is a crucial position so we will need to allocate big funds there to someone else eventually, if not Bo. This offseason will be very telling as to who we expect to be part of our core moving forward. I think we bring back Chapman and one of Gurriel/Teo and add a legit CF.

 

One of Lourdes or Teo will get moved in the off season I think. What happens to Chapman after next season? A couple of years ago I thought they would eventually move Groshans to 3b. Maybe they get Chapman to agree on a 4 year deal. I wish we had a high ceiling centre fielder for when Springer moves to right field next year (his time at cf is done after this season).

 

The wish list grows.

 

I swear I didn't read your post before I wrote mine.

[Stangstag]

This is Bass's first appearance since July 28th. Not overly worried. Guys like him are better the more they pitch.

 

Exactly. Perfect time to shake the rust off

[Solaxys]

I swear I didn't read your post before I wrote mine.

 

Teo gets moved since Springer plays RF pretty comfortably. Gurriel stays. We might run Merrifield in CF (he's cheap af next year, never gets hurt).

Tapia probably gets traded

We'll need a offensive upgrade at 2B for next year and kinda hope Chapman continues his July version.

Moreno probably will come up - apparently he's learning a new position? Possibly Horwitz as well since now he has to get on 40-man roster.

 

RF - Springer

CF - Merrifield

LF - Gurriel

1B - Vlad

2B - ???

SS - Bo

3B - Chapman

C - Kirk

DH - ???

 

Bench - Biggio/Espinal/Moreno/Zimmer

TBD - Jansen

[Omar]

Teo gets moved since Springer plays RF pretty comfortably. Gurriel stays. We might run Merrifield in CF (he's cheap af, never gets hurt).

We'll need a offensive upgrade at 2B for next year and kinda hope Chapman continues his July version.

Moreno probably will come up - apparently he's learning a new position? Possibly Horwitz as well since now he has to get on 40-man roster.

 

34 year old full time centre fielder on a contender is not in the cards I hope. But lets see what happens after we win it all this year.

[Solaxys]

34 year old full time centre fielder on a contender is not in the cards I hope. But lets see what happens after we win it all this year.

 

Ya that's fair, but I feel like the OF options for CF are so meh unless we take a gamble on Marisnick.

The best option we have is 2024 where the Korean 25 yr old superstar gets posted.

[Omar]

Moreno probably will come up - apparently he's learning a new position? Possibly Horwitz as well since now he has to get on 40-man roster.

 

Moreno is being converted to 2b? I didn't see anything.

[Solaxys]

Moreno is being converted to 2b? I didn't see anything.

 

Don't know which position but I've just heard it somewhere that they are thinking of trying/already trying new positions for him.

[Omar]

Don't know which position but I've just heard it somewhere that they are thinking of trying/already trying new positions for him.

 

Probably the smart thing to do. Let him focus on get his slg% up. Catching takes so much out a player. Kirk is only 23 so he might be here for a while if they move Jansen. Moreno is very athletic, could probably play any infield position.

[Spanky99]

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[Deadpool]

Ya that's fair and he can go for that kind of money if he wants.

Jays shouldn't bite at all; his plate discipline will not scale and his arm from SS still lacks consistent accuracy.

 

Vlad is worth the deal - a bit north of what Austin Riley got, atm (but he can still repeat a MVP year and get absolutely paid by us).

I can even see LGJ getting a good deal if he continues this OBP streak.

We also have to consider Kirk, Manoah, possibly another CF, lefty slugger bats for the future.

 

Bo is not a commitment that is smart to make, not unless he makes some dramatic changes to his plate approach or he goes for relatively cheap.

 

I'm not extending Kirk, I'm taking him to the end of his contract (maybe? He could still be an intriguing trade piece) and letting him walk. I wouldn't bet on his body holding up at any position, much less catcher. His knees are going to be SHOT, and it might be before he's even 30.

[Brownie19]

Teo gets moved since Springer plays RF pretty comfortably. Gurriel stays. We might run Merrifield in CF (he's cheap af next year, never gets hurt).

Tapia probably gets traded

We'll need a offensive upgrade at 2B for next year and kinda hope Chapman continues his July version.

Moreno probably will come up - apparently he's learning a new position? Possibly Horwitz as well since now he has to get on 40-man roster.

 

RF - Springer

CF - Merrifield

LF - Gurriel

1B - Vlad

2B - ???

SS - Bo

3B - Chapman

C - Kirk

DH - ???

 

Bench - Biggio/Espinal/Moreno/Zimmer

TBD - Jansen

 

A lot of wishful thinking here man. Why would we trade Tapia and who's our 4th OFer (if we do trade Teo). I also don't see us upgrading 2nd base. Espinal/Biggio/Merrifield are perfectly fine there. CF is going to be a tough one to fill and while I agree moving Springer to RF is the best option, I'm not confident it will happen this offseason. I could definitely see them keeping Teo/Lourdes/Springer/Merrifield/Tapia for another year and just manage the s*** out of Springer's time in CF through the DH position.

Edited August 5, 2022 by Brownie19

[Dagagad]

I’m not sure if I see teo or gurriel getting traded. Even if springer moves to RF, I don’t see a true regular everyday CF on the roster (merrifield got like 8 starts there for KC this year) and a good defensive CF who can hit will not be available in FA and is expensive to trade for. Montgomery got Bader for example which is a pretty steep price.

 

Not only that but we will need the at bats in the outfield anyway. Springer doesn’t play quite often.

 

I think if we wanted to trade teo or gurriel, we’d need to make a bigger trade first to get a true CF. Possibly using Moreno or Jansen.

 

I see trading Teo from a roster management pov. We lose control of him soon and we prob can’t afford to give him a real deal. But I don’t think this front office does that. They will prob just QO him.