2022 Trade Deadline Thread

[PhillyBlueJay]

Cimber has more WAR than both Fulmer and Soto. He's a very valuable 6th/7th inning guy.

 

Fair point on Cimber but I prefer 8-9 inning high leverage guys for a playoff run!

 

Also, my whole point is we need 2 very high leverage pitchers to be added to our bullpen. f***, if our closer goes down right now our chances of making the playoffs is over in my opinion. We need a second 9th inning guy for backup and and another hard thrower for the 8th inning. But so does every other god dam team so will be an overpay regardless!

[PhillyBlueJay]

This is insanity lol. Of all people in that pen, you don’t just trade or designate Cimber over the other clowns that can go in that pen.

 

Again, I was not selling on Cimber directly but Detroit would not take back our other couple of s*** relievers... I would prefer to keep Cimber but he would be the ask back from Detroit cause we just gutted their bullpen... that's all.

[ValiantJaysFan]

Jays apparently pursuing Michael Fulmer

 

[Stangstag]

Jays apparently pursuing Michael Fulmer

 

 

Good. Let’s finish the trade tonight so he’s available for us tomorrow

[Solaxys]

Not a swing/miss pitcher though (8.8 K/9)

90 slider (64% usage) - 94 fastball

Walks a lot of people.

 

Thought that's not what we wanted

[Stangstag]

Not a swing/miss pitcher though (8.8 K/9)

90 slider (64% usage) - 94 fastball

 

Thought that's not what we wanted

 

Ross can’t resist the bargain bin when it comes to relievers

[Eat My Shatkins]

Ugh not Fulmer lol

 

Low K rate, high walk rate, high xFIP

 

He'll fit right in haha

[jaysguy44]

Jays apparently pursuing Michael Fulmer

 

Meh...

[Grant77]

Fair point on Cimber but I prefer 8-9 inning high leverage guys for a playoff run!

 

Also, my whole point is we need 2 very high leverage pitchers to be added to our bullpen. f***, if our closer goes down right now our chances of making the playoffs is over in my opinion. We need a second 9th inning guy for backup and and another hard thrower for the 8th inning. But so does every other god dam team so will be an overpay regardless!

 

I don't know if I agree with that. We're still in a playoff spot even if we don't have Romano all season.

 

Our top 5 options (Romano, Garcia, Mayza, Cimber, and Phelps) all have an ERA under 3 and peripherals that generally support those numbers.

 

I'll never argue against another late inning addition, but these guys are quite good and haven't been a problem this season.

 

The problem is the rest of the bullpen, the middle innings. Richards, Merryweather, Thornton, Romo, Borucki, Vasquez, Lawrence. They aren't getting the job done.

 

Maybe you get a late inning guy and bump someone like Phelps down to this role, but a couple of depth additions would be huge for this team, even in the absence of a big ticket reliever.

[saskjayfan]

Ugh not Fulmer lol

 

Low K rate, high walk rate, high xFIP

 

He'll fit right in haha

 

He hasn't been a high walk rate guy for his career. His K rate isn't that low. I'd take Fulmer and one slightly better piece for the pen.

[Chappy]

Fulmer would be a solid addition to the pen even if he isn’t the most attractive name out there. Fulmer and a solid innings eater in the rotation and I think we’re in much better shape moving forward.

[saskjayfan]

Fulmer would be a solid addition to the pen even if he isnÂ’t the most attractive name out there. Fulmer and a solid innings eater in the rotation and I think weÂ’re in much better shape moving forward.

 

We don't need an innings eater...we need Rodon and it's now been reported the Giants are listening on players. He's at the top of the list being a free agent next year.

[Jimcanuck]

Skubal and Fulmer package

[John_Havok]

There's very few relievers, if any, in baseball I would trade a starting catcher with Jansen's value for.

[Chappy]

Well yeah sure, but at the very least we need someone who can keep us in games and let our bats have a chance. Kikuchi could implode again any day and stripling has done a great job but he’s a 5 innings max guy and when he doesn’t even complete 5 innings that’s where our pen issues become even more glaring.

[Chappy]

There's very few relievers, if any, in baseball I would trade a starting catcher with Jansen's value for.

 

Agree with this. We still have 2 more years of control after this season and we are in win now mode.

[John_Havok]

Well yeah sure, but at the very least we need someone who can keep us in games and let our bats have a chance. Kikuchi could implode again any day and stripling has done a great job but he’s a 5 innings max guy and when he doesn’t even complete 5 innings that’s where our pen issues become even more glaring.

 

Holy s*** a Chappy sighting! That's even more rare than a good start from Kikuchi

[Chappy]

Holy s*** a Chappy sighting! That's even more rare than a good start from Kikuchi

 

Can’t let Kikuchi out do me 🤷🏽*♂️

[Grant77]

RHP Jordan Romano (2.45 ERA, 3.23 FIP)

RHP Yimi Garcia (2.67 ERA, 3.12 FIP)

LHP Tim Mayza (2.61 ERA, 3.73 FIP)

RHP Adam Cimber (2.95 ERA, 3.40 FIP)

RHP David Phelps (2.45 ERA, 2.77 FIP)

 

This seems to be our core group of late inning relievers. The need to upgrade on guys like Richards and Thornton is rather obvious, but it is less obvious with our late inning group.

 

What do you guys see as the biggest issues with our current late inning relievers? Try not to say something nebulous like velocity. Who needs to be demoted to a mop up role and why? Where would your chosen relief acquisition slot into that group? Do we think there are internal answers like Pearson, Beasley, Banda, or Castillo?

[John_Havok]

RHP Jordan Romano (2.45 ERA, 3.23 FIP)

RHP Yimi Garcia (2.67 ERA, 3.12 FIP)

LHP Tim Mayza (2.61 ERA, 3.73 FIP)

RHP Adam Cimber (2.95 ERA, 3.40 FIP)

RHP David Phelps (2.45 ERA, 2.77 FIP)

 

This seems to be our core group of late inning relievers. The need to upgrade on guys like Richards and Thornton is rather obvious, but it is less obvious with our late inning group.

 

What do you guys see as the biggest issues with our current late inning relievers? Try not to say something nebulous like velocity. Who needs to be demoted to a mop up role and why? Where would your chosen relief acquisition slot into that group? Do we think there are internal answers like Pearson, Beasley, Banda, or Castillo?

 

Need 1 more lefty, and for my money I’d want at least 1 guy that’s equal to or better than Romano. It just feels so much better to have at least 2 guys that you have absolutely no qualms about finishing off the last 2 innings in any part of the lineup.

 

Cimber, Mayza, the other hypothetical lefty and Garcia can get you through the 6th and 7th easily enough I think. There’s no in house option for the guy who’s equal to or better than Romano though. Pearson might have that ability but he can’t be counted on for this season.

 

Maybe Gage can be that lefty, but with such a short track record, I don’t know if he’s that guy this season. Maybe going forward he can be.

 

Guys like Zulueta might get a shot down the stretch too given that he’s a 40 man add this coming off-season, but again, still a question mark.

 

Gimme Joe Jimenez to be the 8th inning guy and I’ll figure out the lefty when I have more time.

Edited July 31, 2022 by John_Havok

[max silver]

As a whole I generally like this group just fine. This core group of relievers has been pretty solid for the most part aside from the times when the entire pitching staff has been blown up due to starters leaving the game early, whether due to lack of performance or injury. The guys at the front end of the bullpen have been the biggest issue, as for the most part the players ran through this part of the pen have been sub replacement level disappointments.

 

I have no issues with either of Romano or Garcia in their current roles, each has largely been tremendous lately and are trending upwards as the season goes on. Romano has had a few blips along the way and his slider has been very hittable at times, but for the most part he's gotten the job done throughout the year.

 

Garcia was a little shaky early in the season, however if I recall correctly he received even less spring training time compared to everyone else due to Visa issues. As the season has gone on he's been getting better and better, and has also seen his velocity and k rate subsequently increase as well. If another high leverage reliever were attained it could potentially unleash Garcia as a general purpose fireman to be used any time when needed. His stuff is downright nasty and he's been effective against both righties and lefties.

 

If at all possible new acquisitions should at least be able to pitch ahead of Cimber and Mayza who are more suited to lower leverage situations due to largely pitching to contact. Nate Pearson is the only in house option I think has what it takes to pitch leverage situations this season, and if he can return to full health in time his high octane relief game should play perfectly here. Merryweather is theoretically another option that could pitch in this type of role, but he was largely ineffective out of the pen this season even when healthy. I have even less confidence in his ability to stay healthy than I do with Pearson.

 

Cimber is a guy who should probably be used most frequently to start innings rather than brought in with runners on base. He typically doesn't generate many strikeouts and struggles a bit with runners on base so isn't really a great leverage option. It feels like he's been struggling a bit lately with his command which has led to more walks and hits than usual.

 

Mayza has been a little hard to get a good read on this season due to inconsistent performance. His strikeouts have largely dried up this season, most likely due to having no feel for his slider which has been a garbage pitch this season. He should likely be limited to facing primarily left handed batters when at all possible as he's struggled quite a bit vs right handed batters.

 

I think Phelps is perfectly suitable for mid relief. He's ran into issues with walks from time to time, but has generally managed to keep runs off of the board when he pitches. He's seen his k rate improve as the season has gone on which is a plus.

Edited July 31, 2022 by max silver

[Grant77]

Need 1 more lefty, and for my money I’d want at least 1 guy that’s equal to or better than Romano. It just feels so much better to have at least 2 guys that you have absolutely no qualms about finishing off the last 2 innings in any part of the lineup.

 

Cimber, Mayza, the other hypothetical lefty and Garcia can get you through the 6th and 7th easily enough I think. There’s no in house option for the guy who’s equal to or better than Romano though. Pearson might have that ability but he can’t be counted on for this season.

 

Maybe Gage can be that lefty, but with such a short track record, I don’t know if he’s that guy this season. Maybe going forward he can be.

 

Guys like Zulueta might get a shot down the stretch too given that he’s a 40 man add this coming off-season, but again, still a question mark.

 

Who are those guys for you? Andrew Chafin seems like a nice fit from the left side. I'm not sure who you get that is comparable to Romano. Scott Barlow? I like Lou Trivino as an option, but I doubt many would agree.

[max silver]

Who are those guys for you? Andrew Chafin seems like a nice fit from the left side. I'm not sure who you get that is comparable to Romano. Scott Barlow? I like Lou Trivino as an option, but I doubt many would agree.

 

Unfortunately it appears as though Chafin isn't vaccinated. Perhaps he could be convinced to get jabbed if traded to a contender though.

 

It appears as though Barlow has seen his stuff drop off quite a bit this season as his fastball is down several ticks, and his slider is producing a lot less whiffs. He is generating a lot less strikeouts as a result.

 

Trivino has been a replacement level reliever this season and feels like a bit of gamble for a team that isn't in much of a position to be gambling on bullpen acquisitions given how the bullpen has been a relative weak spot the last few seasons.

[John_Havok]

Who are those guys for you? Andrew Chafin seems like a nice fit from the left side. I'm not sure who you get that is comparable to Romano. Scott Barlow? I like Lou Trivino as an option, but I doubt many would agree.

 

Joe Jimenez for the comparable to Romano, and yeah Chafin would be nice but he’s not vaccinated.

[BlueJaysFever]

RHP Jordan Romano (2.45 ERA, 3.23 FIP)

RHP Yimi Garcia (2.67 ERA, 3.12 FIP)

LHP Tim Mayza (2.61 ERA, 3.73 FIP)

RHP Adam Cimber (2.95 ERA, 3.40 FIP)

RHP David Phelps (2.45 ERA, 2.77 FIP)

 

This seems to be our core group of late inning relievers. The need to upgrade on guys like Richards and Thornton is rather obvious, but it is less obvious with our late inning group.

 

What do you guys see as the biggest issues with our current late inning relievers? Try not to say something nebulous like velocity. Who needs to be demoted to a mop up role and why? Where would your chosen relief acquisition slot into that group? Do we think there are internal answers like Pearson, Beasley, Banda, or Castillo?

 

That is certainly a solid group. As an aside, Jimi's become the most effective high leverage reliever so that's been an excellent signing. But they all are relievers, less so with Romano, that tend to induce contact. The Jays are missing that pitcher that can come out of the pen in a situation like yesterday and just sit guys down. A high leverage K pitcher - that's what they should be targeting. David Robertson fits that profile nicely - a K% of 31% and a BB% of 11%

[Solaxys]

 

Moreno + some arm for both?

[LGBJ29]

 

Moreno + some arm for both?

 

To be honest I'm not completely sold on Soto. The stuff is there, but he doesn't come without flaws.

 

That's not to say I wouldn't love to have him, I just think the cost to acquire him would be hard to justify.

[Stangstag]

 

Moreno + some arm for both?

 

I’d do it tbh. Moreno doesn’t help us right now but those guys do, for multiple years too

[RustyTrombone]

Just get Rodon/Cobb and call it a deadline. If teams like the Tigers are gonna want too much for 1 inning guys then they can f*** off. More than happy to rely on the core 5 we got and hope a couple of Zulu/Juenger/Pearson/Merrywether can make a impact in September.

[Stangstag]

Just get Rodon/Cobb and call it a deadline. If teams like the Tigers are gonna want too much for 1 inning guys then they can f*** off. More than happy to rely on the core 5 we got and hope a couple of Zulu/Juenger/Pearson/Merrywether can make a impact in September.

 

I feel like the price for relievers will come down in the last 24 hours when teams realize they might get nothing