2022 Trade Deadline Thread

[Carlos Danger]

Any decent centerfielders available?

 

Nyquin just went to the Mets. Laureno would be my target.

[Jays333]

Just like Soto Ohtani is not worth a fortune. Get him only for 1.5 years. His career isn't going to be long either even if we sign him long term. So much wear and tear

[Stangstag]

Just like Soto Ohtani is not worth a fortune. Get him only for 1.5 years. His career isn't going to be long either even if we sign him long term. So much wear and tear

 

He’s the most valuable player in all of baseball. Anything short of emptying the entire farm would be worth it.

 

But I still say he’s not gonna be traded. Arte Moreno just can’t keep his hands off the wheel

[WryNGinger]

I think they really need to look at a good fall back plan for CF and maybe catcher. This offense and defense look a lot different without Springer and Jansen. The players they have now can shuffle to fill holes in all the other positions and still compete. If they lose Springer and/or Jansen the outlook is not nearly as rosy. I might even put those two positional needs ahead of relief pitching but it would be close. I think they can fill all three of those needs without breaking the prospect bank.

[Jays24]

While Ohtani is great, him being a full time DH really doesnt fit our team. Springer and Kirk need that spot so you're basically benching those guys for a lot of games if we get Ohtani.

[Daniel Labude]

Any decent centerfielders available?

 

Ian Happ

[Grant77]

Hypothetical...

 

VladJr for Ohtani

 

Or VladJr+ for Ohtani+

 

Do you do it?

 

 

Definitely not.

[Brownie19]

I think they really need to look at a good fall back plan for CF and maybe catcher. This offense and defense look a lot different without Springer and Jansen. The players they have now can shuffle to fill holes in all the other positions and still compete. If they lose Springer and/or Jansen the outlook is not nearly as rosy. I might even put those two positional needs ahead of relief pitching but it would be close. I think they can fill all three of those needs without breaking the prospect bank.

 

I agree about CF. This team needs a long term replacement in CF and you could certainly argue they also need a short term replacement in CF who we could survive with for an extended period. Catcher on the other hand? We have the most depth in MLB right now behind the dish man.

[Stangstag]

I agree about CF. This team needs a long term replacement in CF and you could certainly argue they also need a short term replacement in CF who we could survive with for an extended period. Catcher on the other hand? We have the most depth in MLB right now behind the dish man.

 

Definitely need a proper CF going forward that plays plus defense. I'd probably think about moving one of Teo/Gurriel in the offseason and shifting Springer to RF/LF permanently. Someone like Mullins would be perfect

[Brownie19]

Definitely need a proper CF going forward that plays plus defense. I'd probably think about moving one of Teo/Gurriel in the offseason and shifting Springer to RF/LF permanently. Someone like Mullins would be perfect

 

Agreed. Ketal Marte would also be a great fit, but like Mullins, will be expensive. I also see they've moved him to 2nd base full time this year (although it doesn't look like he's great defensively there).

[The Iceman]

Could Bo be a long term option @ CF?

Espinal to SS?

[Stangstag]

Could Bo be a long term option @ CF?

Espinal to SS?

 

Interesting idea… maybe they should get someone in the minors like Groshans to start playing CF or something?

[Sorrow]

The more I think about a trade with the Cubs the more I want it to happen. Robertson and Happ would be a solid get. Happ would be someone you'd want to play everyday (would be a top 4-5 player on the roster based on fWAR) and is solid defensively in LF.

 

Even after how hot Tapia has been I'd still punt him off the roster if an improvement could be found. 0.1 fWAR with a 101 wRC and horrendous D.

[Brownie19]

The more I think about a trade with the Cubs the more I want it to happen. Robertson and Happ would be a solid get. Happ would be someone you'd want to play everyday (would be a top 4-5 player on the roster based on fWAR) and is solid defensively in LF.

 

Even after how hot Tapia has been I'd still punt him off the roster if an improvement could be found. 0.1 fWAR with a 101 wRC and horrendous D.

 

You'd have Ian Happ for 2023, but I think this really depends on whether you think he's a viable option defensively in CF (and I'm not sure he is).

[Daniel Labude]

You'd have Ian Happ for 2023, but I think this really depends on whether you think he's a viable option defensively in CF (and I'm not sure he is).

 

He is a viable option at 6 or 7 positions defensively

[Brownie19]

He is a viable option at 6 or 7 positions defensively

 

He's played 12 innings in CF this year. If he's an average defensive CFer than he is significantly more valuable to the Jays than someone who can only really handle LF/RF. It's also quite a stretch to think he's actually viable at 3rd, 2nd, 1st, etc.

[Spanky99]

You'd have Ian Happ for 2023, but I think this really depends on whether you think he's a viable option defensively in CF (and I'm not sure he is).

 

For short appearances he'd be fine as a backup to Springer, but everyday he'd get exposed, imo. There's a reason the Cubs plug him in LF only now. He isn't an infielder anymore either, I don't get what LTBF is thinking.

[Daniel Labude]

For short appearances he'd be fine as a backup to Springer, but everyday he'd get exposed, imo. There's a reason the Cubs plug him in LF only now. He isn't an infielder anymore either, I don't get what LTBF is thinking.

 

He has played 250 games in CF in his career in the majors lol. Tapia only 60 for reference

[Omar]

For short appearances he'd be fine as a backup to Springer, but everyday he'd get exposed, imo. There's a reason the Cubs plug him in LF only now. He isn't an infielder anymore either, I don't get what LTBF is thinking.

 

Defensive Runs Saved 2022

 

Springer 539 innings................ -1

Happ 735 innings................... +4

 

LTBF is right.

[G-Snarls]

While Ohtani is great, him being a full time DH really doesnt fit our team. Springer and Kirk need that spot so you're basically benching those guys for a lot of games if we get Ohtani.

 

I would think IF a trade happened (and I don't think it will) that Kirk would probably be going to the Angels in the trade

[G-Snarls]

While Ohtani is great, him being a full time DH really doesnt fit our team. Springer and Kirk need that spot so you're basically benching those guys for a lot of games if we get Ohtani.

 

I would think IF a trade happened (and I don't think it will) that Kirk would probably be going to the Angels in the trade

[The Cats Ass]

Defensive Runs Saved 2022

 

Springer 539 innings................ -1

Happ 735 innings................... +4

 

LTBF is right.

 

Vladdy has +7 defensive runs saved in 2022, lets put him in CF.

[Omar]

Vladdy has +7 defensive runs saved in 2022, lets put him in CF.

 

We're not discussing the viability of Vladdy playing outfield for Springer's days off. Happ also crushes Springer among outfield uzr.

[Omar]

[Spanky99]

Defensive Runs Saved 2022

 

Springer 539 innings................ -1

Happ 735 innings................... +4

 

LTBF is right.

 

I said he can play CF in a pinch, he's no longer an infielder, though. Those numbers from Happ are LF, with OAA Happ is -1 at LF... Springer is +1 at CF, fairly big discrepancy. I'd love Happ on this team, sign me up, but they need to take care of the pen first and foremost.

 

ETA: I'm not a big fan of defensive numbers, they seem to fluctuate far too much for me. LTBF is never right

[Spanky99]

He has played 250 games in CF in his career in the majors lol. Tapia only 60 for reference

 

And I was referencing your comment about him playing several positions, he hasn't played the infield in years regularly. He's obviously a huge upgrade on Tapia, wtf???

[Spanky99]

Ohtani's savant page sure is red, holy crap,

[Brownie19]

We're not discussing the viability of Vladdy playing outfield for Springer's days off. Happ also crushes Springer among outfield uzr.

 

Yes but you're comparing Happ's defense in LF v. Springer's defense in CF (+ a few innings in RF)....that's the joke.

[BlueJaysFever]

[JaysAllMighty]

I just don't want our FO to make stupid trades. We need pitching and that's the bottom line but don't give away the farm.