GDT: Let's Play Two! Games 3 & 4/5 Tampa Bay Rays @ Toronto Blue Jays

[Eat My Shatkins]

What's the next f***ing brainstorm idea?

 

Maybe we should call Bowden Francis back up to the bigs and let him start a game too?

 

What f***ing moronic idiot **** face thought it was a good idea to start Hatch in the major leagues instead of using Castillo as the extra starter?

 

That's what I'd f***ing like to know.

[Dagagad]

Stripling today, Manoah tomorrow. Castillo/Lawrence combo in Oakland

 

That would put Stripling/Manoah on 4 days rest? I don't think you can do that when he's starting.

 

It should have been Castillo/Lawrernce. Someone said seniority earlier. If that's the case, fire everyone. f*** seniority.

[Solaxys]

We lost all ground we gained in the WC race, we might give back the lead to Boston - like f***.

Throwing these games instead of generating lead and creating distance is so aggravating - especially against a battered Rays team, just giving them free rope to wait for their entire team to come back 100% and take over again.

[Terminator]

Stripling today, Manoah tomorrow. Castillo/Lawrence combo in Oakland

 

That would be short rest for Stripling and Manoah.

[Dagagad]

We lost all ground we gained in the WC race, we might give back the lead to Boston - like f***.

Throwing these games instead of generating lead and creating distance is so aggravating - especially against a battered Rays team, just giving them free rope to wait for their entire team to come back 100% and take over again.

 

I'm going to activate my pass again just one more time but this stuff happens when YOU CAN'T DEVELOP PITCHING OR PUT TOGETHER A BULLPEN EVEN THOUGH YOU'VE BEEN IN CHARGE FOR 7 YEARS. Teams that aren't good at something under performing because of it isn't a massive surprise. This should be expected.

[Eat My Shatkins]

Every time you think this team is starting to get some traction they either have s*** luck knock them down a peg, or they make a stupid moronic dumbass decision, or both.

 

Today is both.

 

Of course it's one of our starting pitchers who's actually pitching up to his capabilities that takes a liner off the foot, and not one of the inconsistent yo-yo f***heads with a 5+ ERA.

 

And of course it's the Rays that take him out.

[Daniel Labude]

That would put Stripling/Manoah on 4 days rest? I don't think you can do that when he's starting.

 

It should have been Castillo/Lawrernce. Someone said seniority earlier. If that's the case, fire everyone. f*** seniority.

 

Yes you can do that...its against the Rays, shouldn't be piss s***ing a game. Drop their pitch count by 15-20. Still better value than Hatch. Pitching the duo in Oakland adds a day to reset the timing for them

[5ToolPhenom]

Unless there's a massive defensive failure, every seeing eye single, or 75MPH bloop is absolutely, 100% luck.

 

You cannot make a career out of weak contact (not in this day and age), that's simply not a thing that happens.

 

I disagree. Guys like Tony Gwynn weren't guys who really stung the ball. They sprayed the ball all over the field and were able to poke the ball through holes. Or take a lot of the speedsters throughout the last 40 years. A lot of those guys didn't exactly sting the ball and they still put up great averages, OBP and they swiped a lot of bases.

 

No doubt more attention is placed on launch angle and off-bat velocity these days, but there's no reason why a bat like Gwynn's wouldn't be a sought after asset in todays game.

[5ToolPhenom]

Who would you have used instead?

 

We have a playoff team but the pitching depth is garbage. I'm sure Atkins knows this and will address it at the deadline.

 

I haven't really paid attention to the farm system, but surely there's a young arm down there more worthy of taking a look at than Thomas Hath?

[Terminator]

Hatch had been pitching better since a rough April. He had 44 Ks to 11 walks in May and June. They gave him a chance and he sucked ass so he won't be getting another one possibly ever again. They acquired Banda midday and needed to make room so Castillo was sent down to AAA presumably to start so he'll be the next one up if needed.

 

The team has a youthful core, a top offense and a very solid rotation. The weaknesses are rotation depth and the bullpen and I'm sure the team is itching to make some trades to address that it's just not quite time yet. Plus, you have to factor in where we are at. The team isn't catching the Yankees but is very likely to make the WC so there's no sense panicking and forcing trades early. Some deals will get done at the deadline you crybabies!

[5ToolPhenom]

Calm down Romo... Your team's losing by 8 runs:rolleyes:

[Spanky99]

lol

[Omar]

Vladdy's face when Zimmer went yard;)

[Terminator]

I will go out on a limb and issue my apologies now for todays gdt.

 

Yeah Omar you are fired bud lol

[Terminator]

We have no organizational pitching to speak of. There's no help coming from the minors. We're basically the 2019 Nationals with a little more oomph and we need Gausman and Manoah to pull a Scherzer/Strasburg.

 

Oh I don't disagree. AAA is hot garbage. AA on down all have some interesting names though.

[JFD]

Clearly they punted today looking to win the series vs Baz lmao

 

So then why is Cimber pitching now?

[Daniel Labude]

So then why is Cimber pitching now?

 

Cauae they don't know what they are doing

[glory]

We have no organizational pitching to speak of. There's no help coming from the minors. We're basically the 2019 Nationals with a little more oomph and we need Gausman and Manoah to pull a Scherzer/Strasburg.

 

Yeah it looks that way. Pitching depth in the upper minors is ass, and the only position player that can help from the upper minors happens to play a position that the Jays are practically elite at without him. This season and next season is probably going to be on the back of whatever big league moves Atkins can make. It's not going to come from the system.

[Stangstag]

Hatch had been pitching better since a rough April. He had 44 Ks to 11 walks in May and June. They gave him a chance and he sucked ass so he won't be getting another one possibly ever again. They acquired Banda midday and needed to make room so Castillo was sent down to AAA presumably to start so he'll be the next one up if needed.

 

The team has a youthful core, a top offense and a very solid rotation. The weaknesses are rotation depth and the bullpen and I'm sure the team is itching to make some trades to address that it's just not quite time yet. Plus, you have to factor in where we are at. The team isn't catching the Yankees but is very likely to make the WC so there's no sense panicking and forcing trades early. Some deals will get done at the deadline you crybabies!

 

Well put.

 

Today sucked but Gausman only going 2 innings in game 1 really f***ed them. Hatch sucks balls. Casey Lawrence and Max Castillo look good/decent. Bats are still alive but couldn’t figure out McClannahan. That’s fine.

 

Don’t sell the farm at the deadline. Try to bolster the pitching staff with mid-tier moves.

[connorp]

Well put.

 

Today sucked but Gausman only going 2 innings in game 1 really f***ed them. Hatch sucks balls. Casey Lawrence and Max Castillo look good/decent. Bats are still alive but couldn’t figure out McClannahan. That’s fine.

 

Don’t sell the farm at the deadline. Try to bolster the pitching staff with mid-tier moves.

 

As has been brought up, “selling the farm at the deadline” will likely have nothing to do with making the playoffs. Rather, while the playoffs can be a crapshoot, you can still optimize your roster for a better chance. Jays definitely need playoff roster optimization

[connorp]

Well… of course you can make mid-tier moves like ATL and strike gold lol

[Stangstag]

Well… of course you can make mid-tier moves like ATL and strike gold lol

 

Yeah exactly. And you can sell the farm to make a “world series contender” and get knocked out first round. I’d rather take my chances with mid moves and keep the farm intact

[connorp]

Yeah exactly. And you can sell the farm to make a “world series contender” and get knocked out first round. I’d rather take my chances with mid moves and keep the farm intact

 

Depends on the names bro. If you can land a front line SP for instance, yeah you could get bounced in the playoffs but you do a lot to increase your chances. You can keep your prospects and they can turn into s***. Not guarantees any way that you go

[Kevin9394]

Rays used positional player to finish the game yesterday. Why the hell Moronyo used Mayza, Cimber !!!???

[connorp]

Rays used positional player to finish the game yesterday. Why the hell Moronyo used Mayza, Cimber !!!???

 

Well Mayza makes sense.work out the kinks. Good time for him

[Solaxys]

Hatch had been pitching better since a rough April. He had 44 Ks to 11 walks in May and June. They gave him a chance and he sucked ass so he won't be getting another one possibly ever again. They acquired Banda midday and needed to make room so Castillo was sent down to AAA presumably to start so he'll be the next one up if needed.

 

This still does not make sense.

 

Why give him the 'chance' against the division rival?

If this was the plan, then you could've just as well (again) pitched Hatch yesterday in the 9-2 game to close out the 3 innings (if he did well, hurray, bring him back up for a start in Oakland or some s***), sent him back down for Bando, start Castillo game 2. Doesn't matter how well he has done in AAA in May/June, Castillo pitched at MLB and showed he could handle it (has much better stats in AAA than Hatch), the f*** would you risk it against a division/WC race rival?

 

And even if that was the plan (i.e. throw Hatch at the wall and see if it sticks), why not use him against McClanahan then? Of the two games, that was the least (probabilistically) winnable so see what he can do in the majors there. If he keeps us in the game, great we have depth we can look into and possibly win the game as well. If he doesn't, oh f***ing well, Shane is Shane (add us to his accolade of pitching 1.09 ERA in the last 5 starts, 2 of which were against Yankees) and we take the L to a good pitcher.

 

Its just weird af why we threw away the winnable of the two games.

 

 

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W.e lets win the game today.

Edited July 3, 2022 by Solaxys

[gruber92]

Who would you have used instead?

 

We have a playoff team but the pitching depth is garbage. I'm sure Atkins knows this and will address it at the deadline.

 

So basically you're saying that the people who have been here for seven years who have created this mess and who have not addressed the pen for two contention years in a row are the ones who are going to fix it at the trade deadline. The same people who actually thought by starting Hatch over Castillo would put the team at a competitive advantage over a team we very well will be fighting for a playoff spot. I can go on, but I'll stop here.

 

This type of blind faith in leadership is worrisome and shouldn't be acceptable. They have been here long enough and didn't inherit this lack of pitching depth / bullpen mess. Ross Atkins is a f***ing clown, accept it.

[Jimcanuck]

So basically you're saying that the people who have been here for seven years who have created this mess and who have not addressed the pen for two contention years in a row are the ones who are going to fix it at the trade deadline. The same people who actually thought by starting Hatch over Castillo would put the team at a competitive advantage over a team we very well will be fighting for a playoff spot. I can go on, but I'll stop here.

 

This type of blind faith in leadership is worrisome and shouldn't be acceptable. They have been here long enough and didn't inherit this lack of pitching depth / bullpen mess. Ross Atkins is a f***ing clown, accept it.

 

Most MLB teams have pitching depth issues - pitchers suck and pitchers get hurt. It's a problem every year. AA's teams generally had poor pitching depth, so did Ricciardi's.

 

2015, a contending year, AA had shitballers like Bo Schultz, Felix Doubront, the corpse of Jeff Francis, Todd Redmond, Scott Copeland, Chad Jenkins, Andrew Albers, Phil Coke.

[max silver]

So basically you're saying that the people who have been here for seven years who have created this mess and who have not addressed the pen for two contention years in a row are the ones who are going to fix it at the trade deadline. The same people who actually thought by starting Hatch over Castillo would put the team at a competitive advantage over a team we very well will be fighting for a playoff spot. I can go on, but I'll stop here.

 

This type of blind faith in leadership is worrisome and shouldn't be acceptable. They have been here long enough and didn't inherit this lack of pitching depth / bullpen mess. Ross Atkins is a f***ing clown, accept it.

 

Go ahead and look in the mirror bro.

[gruber92]

Most MLB teams have pitching depth issues - pitchers suck and pitchers get hurt. It's a problem every year. AA's teams generally had poor pitching depth, so did Ricciardi's.

 

2015, a contending year, AA had shitballers like Bo Schultz, Felix Doubront, the corpse of Jeff Francis, Todd Redmond, Scott Copeland, Chad Jenkins, Andrew Albers, Phil Coke.

 

That's fine but at least those GMs had the pecking order of those arms in correct order. In what world does starting Hatch over Castillo make any sense?