General Blue Jays Discussion Thread (2022)

[Jimcanuck]

Well f***, I figured you knew, ya dingleberry!

 

Earl Weaver is nuts, lol.

 

I like the 10 cent beer night forfeit better

[Spanky99]

I like the 10 cent beer night forfeit better

 

That was awesome, lmao

[Captain_Obvious]

Thanks, Captain Obvious... lol... damn right there's gate and other penalties if a team doesn't show up, these guys are f***ed.

 

Thanks. I worked very hard to become a captain in the obvious.

[Omar]

There are many ways a team can forfeit a baseball game, most of which are outlined in rule 7.03(a) of the Major League Baseball rulebook. The chief umpire is responsible for making the final decision.

 

Rule 7.03(a) articulates that a game will be forfeited when:

1. A team does not begin within five minutes of the allocated start time, unless there are unpreventable circumstances.

2. A team specifically attempts to shorten the duration of a game or delay it. While subjective, it is at the discretion of the umpire.

3. For any reason, a team does not continue playing the game.

4. After a rain delay or any temporary stoppage of play, a team refuses to take the field within one minute of resuming.

5. A team purposefully violates any other written rules after an initial warningby an umpire.

6. A team fails to physically remove a player after his ejection from the game in a timely manner.

7. A team does not begin the second game of a doubleheader within 20 minutes of the first game’s conclusion. (hmmm...)

 

Rule 7.03( states that a team will forfeit a game if it does not ensure proper conditions of the field. This can pertain to covering up the infield with a tarp during a rain delay or cleaning

up trash or other items that fans may have thrown onto the field.

 

Rule 7.03© declares a forfeit for any team that is unable to put nine players onto the field during the game.

 

Rule 7.03(d) mandates that a report of the forfeiture is sent to the President of the MLB by the umpire-in-chief within a day of the game.

[Spanky99]

Thanks. I worked very hard to become a captain in the obvious.

 

Hahaha...

[Masterbather]

I would at least ask about what the penalties would be if choosing to forfeit. If they're not that bad it might be worth it. At some point some major league team is going to do this unless there's substantial penalties against it.

[Jimcanuck]

I would at least ask about what the penalties would be if choosing to forfeit. If they're not that bad it might be worth it. At some point some major league team is going to do this unless there's substantial penalties against it.

 

Not going to happen, Jays don't want to be seen as a pariah just before the playoffs. But they will effectively forfeit game 2 by putting out maybe the worst lineup in Jays history.

[Masterbather]

Not going to happen, Jays don't want to be seen as a pariah just before the playoffs. But they will effectively forfeit game 2 by putting out maybe the worst lineup in Jays history.

 

I would do it, but whatever, I know it's not realistic I just hope nobody gets hurt.

[John_Havok]

I would at least ask about what the penalties would be if choosing to forfeit. If they're not that bad it might be worth it. At some point some major league team is going to do this unless there's substantial penalties against it.

 

Nah, no team would ever forfeit games. There’s probably massive issues involved when you think of TV contracts, streaming deals, not to mention player stats that could have potentially huge impacts on arbitration contracts.

[mellowgold]

Just got tickets to ALDS game 4. I have a good feeling I'll be going.

[Masterbather]

Nah, no team would ever forfeit games. There’s probably massive issues involved when you think of TV contracts, streaming deals, not to mention player stats that could have potentially huge impacts on arbitration contracts.

 

I think there are very specific circumstances where it could happen especially in blow out games. Regardless, some of these games are becoming a farce. The blue jays lineup tomorrow will probably be farce. The Mariners using a catcher to pitch in a tie game in Extra innings is a farce. Forfeits would have more honor than this stuff.

[Masterbather]

Seattle it is.

[G-Snarls]

Seattle it is.

 

Bring it!!!

[Stangstag]

Seattle it is.

 

Gonna be fun!

[Olerud363]

Nah, no team would ever forfeit games. There’s probably massive issues involved when you think of TV contracts, streaming deals, not to mention player stats that could have potentially huge impacts on arbitration contracts.

 

 

I went to the last game of the season between 2 eliminated teams in 1998 and Watched Roy Halladay throw 8 and 2/3 no hitter and saw Shaun Green hit a homerun. Could you imagine if they'd been playing a Yankees team headed for the playoffs and the Yankees decided to forfeit.

 

Are a few people brain dead here? What if the last game of 2019 got forfeited and you had tickets to see Vlad as a rookie? Someone is f***ing damn excited to see Rutchman and Stowers and Henderson, and you want to take away from them?

 

f***. I'm excited to see Moreno and Lopez, and probably Vlad take a shot at 100 RBIs, and see if Kikuchi has maybe found something. Check out Mitch White again. How can people not be excited about a day of baseball and being able to see some young players on both sides?

 

So what if position players pitch now. Some f***ing position player was throwing 85 last night with half decent control, and actually won the game. Maybe the 1st position player to win a game in a long time? I guess the next phase is these position players, since they are pitching more and more become quadruple a version of Ohtani. Like I heard Clemen's kid pitched 7 times. He's only hitting .150 so maybe he doesn't make it, but the next phase are bench players who can hit .200, with 10 homers and 10 pitching appearances. Not forfeits ever!

[Laika]

Will be kind of fun to see the lineups today.

 

Hopefully they just make White and Kikuchi and the 29th man (Lawrence?) eat like 15 of the 18 innings regardless of pitch count. f*** they could piggy back White and Kikuchi for all 9 in game 1 and then just let Casey Lawrence throw a 200 pitch complete game in game 2. Why not?

 

If there are a few RP who want or need work get them in there. Spring Training style.

 

I would expect the regulars who DO get some playing time today to just go through the motions. Go up there and swing three times, either get a hit or strikeout.

 

Confident in a sweep today

[Daniel Labude]

Can someone pick me up on the GDTs today (I can pick it back up Friday)...im going to be out for the next few hours

[Masterbather]

I went to the last game of the season between 2 eliminated teams in 1998 and Watched Roy Halladay throw 8 and 2/3 no hitter and saw Shaun Green hit a homerun. Could you imagine if they'd been playing a Yankees team headed for the playoffs and the Yankees decided to forfeit.

 

Are a few people brain dead here? What if the last game of 2019 got forfeited and you had tickets to see Vlad as a rookie? Someone is f***ing damn excited to see Rutchman and Stowers and Henderson, and you want to take away from them?

 

f***. I'm excited to see Moreno and Lopez, and probably Vlad take a shot at 100 RBIs, and see if Kikuchi has maybe found something. Check out Mitch White again. How can people not be excited about a day of baseball and being able to see some young players on both sides?

 

So what if position players pitch now. Some f***ing position player was throwing 85 last night with half decent control, and actually won the game. Maybe the 1st position player to win a game in a long time? I guess the next phase is these position players, since they are pitching more and more become quadruple a version of Ohtani. Like I heard Clemen's kid pitched 7 times. He's only hitting .150 so maybe he doesn't make it, but the next phase are bench players who can hit .200, with 10 homers and 10 pitching appearances. Not forfeits ever!

 

Stop being so dramatic. First of all, it would rarely be used for entire games, most of the time it would be blow outs. Second of all, as far as entire games go, you could have missed any one of those things you mentioned above if the game had been canceled for any other legitimate reason.

 

Never have teams been more concerned with protecting their assets as they are now, forfeiting games helps protect your assets and quite frankly why should teams care whether you want to go see the first round draft pick have four at bats or the left fielder pitch an inning?

 

Now, I do understand why Major League Baseball would care and thus it's probably a pipe dream to ever see forfeits, but if it was just up to the teams themselves, I'm sure a lot of them have already thought about it and would do it in a heartbeat if they knew it wouldn't create a groundswell of s*** from media and MLB. For me? Forfeits exist to some extent in other venues, so I don't think it's a big deal. It's just the more alien to major professional sports leagues and their fan so people freak out about the idea of it.

[Olerud363]

Stop being so dramatic. First of all, it would rarely be used for entire games, most of the time it would be blow outs. Second of all, as far as entire games go, you could have missed any one of those things you mentioned above if the game had been canceled for any other legitimate reason.

 

Never have teams been more concerned with protecting their assets as they are now, forfeiting games helps protect your assets and quite frankly why should teams care whether you want to go see the first round draft pick have four at bats or the left fielder pitch an inning?

 

Now, I do understand why Major League Baseball would care and thus it's probably a pipe dream to ever see forfeits, but if it was just up to the teams themselves, I'm sure a lot of them have already thought about it and would do it in a heartbeat if they knew it wouldn't create a groundswell of s*** from media and MLB. For me? Forfeits exist to some extent in other venues, so I don't think it's a big deal. It's just the more alien to major professional sports leagues and their fan so people freak out about the idea of it.

 

Jesus. I'm not being dramatic here. Forfeiting would alienate fans and is immoral.

 

Why should teams care that I want to see a first round draft pick play? If you are a fan of a team that didn't make the playoffs, that is the joy of the season. Watching young players develop and older guys hit milestones.

 

There is so much wrong about forfeiting I don't know where to begin. People plan around these games, people travel, people work at them, companies go as team building exercises. TV Contracts. You can't forfeit major league sports.

 

It's a business and you need multiple teams to make it work. You can't just think about the needs of the playoff team having a good year.

[Masterbather]

Will be kind of fun to see the lineups today.

 

Hopefully they just make White and Kikuchi and the 29th man (Lawrence?) eat like 15 of the 18 innings regardless of pitch count. f*** they could piggy back White and Kikuchi for all 9 in game 1 and then just let Casey Lawrence throw a 200 pitch complete game in game 2. Why not?

 

If there are a few RP who want or need work get them in there. Spring Training style.

 

I would expect the regulars who DO get some playing time today to just go through the motions. Go up there and swing three times, either get a hit or strikeout.

 

Confident in a sweep today

 

Well I'm sure the players union might have something to say about forcing a kid to throw 200 pitches 🙂

 

But I get your point, I'm sure they will try to get as many innings out of that trio as they possibly can outside of any innings some of their regulars might want just to get some work in. Richards is going to start game one, I could see three or four other regulars wanting to throw at least a few pitches.

[Laika]

Casey Lawrence will be 35 in a few weeks.

 

I bet he would LOVE to just grind his way to a complete game. It would be an epic contribution to the team.

[Omar]

No Gurriel and Espinal. Maybe for game two but I doubt it.

 

[Olerud363]

Stop being so dramatic. First of all, it would rarely be used for entire games, most of the time it would be blow outs. Second of all, as far as entire games go, you could have missed any one of those things you mentioned above if the game had been canceled for any other legitimate reason.

 

Never have teams been more concerned with protecting their assets as they are now, forfeiting games helps protect your assets and quite frankly why should teams care whether you want to go see the first round draft pick have four at bats or the left fielder pitch an inning?

 

Now, I do understand why Major League Baseball would care and thus it's probably a pipe dream to ever see forfeits, but if it was just up to the teams themselves, I'm sure a lot of them have already thought about it and would do it in a heartbeat if they knew it wouldn't create a groundswell of s*** from media and MLB. For me? Forfeits exist to some extent in other venues, so I don't think it's a big deal. It's just the more alien to major professional sports leagues and their fan so people freak out about the idea of it.

 

If people are seriously thinking that forfeiting games it might be time to tweak roster limits. Previously I was actually for lowering the number of pitchers in hopes that you'd get guys throwing 230 innings again, but have to pace themselves. Looks like teams would rather pitch position players, and keep starters at around the 180 level.

 

So maybe it's time to up the 40 man roster to 44, or the active roster to 27, lower the minimum days stay in the minors by a couple of days. Maybe you have something like in the NBA where there is a 10 day contract and you don't have to put the guy on the 40 man. Maybe there is a shared pool of emergency players that teams can call on, but don't have ownership over. I don't know. Need to deal with it with something other than forfeits.

[mellowgold]

Nobody is going to be forfeiting games. This is a dumb argument.

[Stangstag]

Nobody is going to be forfeiting games. This is a dumb argument.

 

Yep. I wouldn’t be surprised if they only play 1 game today though. These games mean nothing for either team

[John_Havok]

Yep. I wouldn’t be surprised if they only play 1 game today though. These games mean nothing for either team

 

Yeah, but people paid money to see the games so... they should be played. Both Baltimore fans would be tremendously disappointed if they didnt

[Jimcanuck]

Yeah, but people paid money to see the games so... they should be played. Both Baltimore fans would be tremendously disappointed if they didnt

 

Disappointment is a major part of living in Baltimore. It's ingrained and expected.

[Masterbather]

No Gurriel and Espinal. Maybe for game two but I doubt it.

 

 

Starting to doubt if they'll be on the wild card roster at all. Maybe one of them has a pinch hitter, likely Gurriel.

[Masterbather]

Okay forget the whole forfeiture thing, I still like it, but obviously people would get really pissy about it in major professional sports, so we'll just keep it to curling.

[Stangstag]

Starting to doubt if they'll be on the wild card roster at all. Maybe one of them has a pinch hitter, likely Gurriel.

 

Yeah if they aren’t ready today, I don’t see how you can put them on the roster