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[G-Snarls]

We should have traded Manoah too.

 

Obv not

 

Point is you don't know who is going to flourish into a good MLB player

 

At one point anyone would have traded Manoah ahead of Pearson. And obviously would now be unhappy you did it

[Deadpool]

Obv not

 

Point is you don't know who is going to flourish into a good MLB player

 

At one point anyone would have traded Manoah ahead of Pearson. And obviously would now be unhappy you did it

 

Good MLB players usually start life as good prospects. Sure, not all good prospects become good MLB players, but unless you want to buy every player on your team, you can't be including top prospects in deals w/o a serious return. I don't think I'd move any prospect that has a chance to contribute at an above-average or better level this season (Barger, Zulu, Tiedemann, Moreno) with where our payroll currently sits.

[Captain_Obvious]

Obv not

 

Point is you don't know who is going to flourish into a good MLB player

 

At one point anyone would have traded Manoah ahead of Pearson. And obviously would now be unhappy you did it

 

Exactly. I have 0 regrets about not trading Pearson, just frustration that it has not worked out. We just got a bad dice roll on Pearson's outcome. We should follow the same process for Tiedemann as he is worth gambling on.

[connorp]

We should have traded Manoah too.

 

Well it’s you want to be all statsy, Manoah is projected for a 4 FIP so one might say yeah, we should trade high

I personally like him and think he’s a FIP beater but I also lack objectivity being a fan

[Jimcanuck]

Reynolds would be nice but given the choice I'd just sign Profar and his projected 105 wRC+ and keep Tiedemann

[Captain_Obvious]

Well it’s you want to be all statsy, Manoah is projected for a 4 FIP so one might say yeah, we should trade high

I personally like him and think he’s a FIP beater but I also lack objectivity being a fan

 

You missed my point. I am all for trading Manoah for the right return actually. My point was: just because one prospect has not worked out, it does not mean who just throw other prospects in trades for merely above average/inconsistent players. If that's all we're getting, then I'd rather roll the dice on them. We did this for Manoah and Pearson and work out really well for one of them (so far).

[Jonn]

I’m still annoyed by the Correa signing. One of the best Defensive Shortstops in Baseball is just not playing Shortstop anymore. f***ing Mets

[John_Havok]

Good MLB players usually start life as good prospects. Sure, not all good prospects become good MLB players, but unless you want to buy every player on your team, you can't be including top prospects in deals w/o a serious return. I don't think I'd move any prospect that has a chance to contribute at an above-average or better level this season (Barger, Zulu, Tiedemann, Moreno) with where our payroll currently sits.

 

I'd still be reaaaaaly tempted to try and pry Reynolds out of Pittsburgh, even if it did cost Tiedemann+, though I'm not sure how high I would want that + to be . His addition would just put the outfield in a perfect spot, hell he could even play left field and the Jays would have 3 CF's playing the OF.

[Ehjays]

[connorp]

You missed my point. I am all for trading Manoah for the right return actually. My point was: just because one prospect has not worked out, it does not mean who just throw other prospects in trades for merely above average/inconsistent players. If that's all we're getting, then I'd rather roll the dice on them. We did this for Manoah and Pearson and work out really well for one of them (so far).

 

Well, if you don’t think BR is legit good, then I don’t think we disagree on anything. I wasn’t suggesting to trade a prospect for the sake of it.

[Captain_Obvious]

Well, if you don’t think BR is legit good, then I don’t think we disagree on anything. I wasn’t suggesting to trade a prospect for the sake of it.

 

I think Reynolds is an above average OF (Teo), not a consistent star (Springer).

[John_Havok]

I think Reynolds is an above average OF (Teo), not a consistent star (Springer).

 

Just for the sake of argument: Springer's first 3 nearly complete seasons he was 3.9, 4.6 and 4.7 fWAR ..... Reynolds 3.4, 6.1, 2.9 (excluding 2020 for obvious reasons) - they're nearly identical in terms of overall value. If your contention is that Reynolds won't continue on the same arc as Springer did after those seasons, well, maybe, but Springer only averaged slightly over 3.5 fWAR (injury issues contributed for sure) per season up till now after those 3 years I mentioned.

[Captain_Obvious]

Just for the sake of argument: Springer's first 3 nearly complete seasons he was 3.9, 4.6 and 4.7 fWAR ..... Reynolds 3.4, 6.1, 2.9 (excluding 2020 for obvious reasons) - they're nearly identical in terms of overall value. If your contention is that Reynolds won't continue on the same arc as Springer did after those seasons, well, maybe, but Springer only averaged slightly over 3.5 fWAR (injury issues contributed for sure) per season up till now after those 3 years I mentioned.

 

A very good argument can be made that Reynold's 6.1 WAR is a fluke. You cannot make a similar argument for Springer. I would be a lot more confident trading for Springer than for Reynolds. Also, players are more likely to recover from minor/moderate injuries than from just becoming worse at baseball.

[glory]

[John_Havok]

 

Just saw this also. Good. The suspension was way too long and had no precedent.

[Virgil_Hiltz]

It will be interesting who'll step up and sign him? I know it won't be the Jays.

Which team do you think will sign him?

Seems like someone Cohen will sign for the Mets. I suspect Bauer will be sitting out for a while this season before a team cringes and sign him.

[Stangstag]

I’m still annoyed by the Correa signing. One of the best Defensive Shortstops in Baseball is just not playing Shortstop anymore. f***ing Mets

 

1. I don’t think you can call Correa “one of the best defensive shortstops in baseball” any longer…

 

2. Have you heard of Francisco Lindor?? He’s a pretty damn good defender

 

3. Nobody forced Correa to sign with the Mets and switch positions??

[Stangstag]

It will be interesting who'll step up and sign him? I know it won't be the Jays.

Which team do you think will sign him?

Seems like someone Cohen will sign for the Mets. I suspect Bauer will be sitting out for a while this season before a team cringes and sign him.

 

I could see Mets, could see a team like the Os or Redsox giving him a shot too. Rays maybe if he’s cheap. Angels probably SHOULD take a flier on him. Houston maybe?

[z3r0s]

Glad he's back, with the full admission he might be a big POS. But he also might not be a big POS and he is entertaining.

 

Wish the Jays sign him, but no chance in hell

[THANOS]

I was talking about Kirk, he's already an AS catcher and Silver Slugger award winner.

 

This is true, but that's why a trade like this would be from a position of strength to fill another need.

[Jonn]

MLB finally stopped kink shaming nice

[L54]

 

Let’s goooooo

[connorp]

Probably 194 was too much but it’s just the number of games he missed. I’m not sure if there was a negotiation like there was in the D. Watson case with the NFL after the arbiter ruling, but seems like what a settlement would look like. MLB signing off on it, even with a statement they wished it was more

[connorp]

It will be interesting who'll step up and sign him? I know it won't be the Jays.

Which team do you think will sign him?

Seems like someone Cohen will sign for the Mets. I suspect Bauer will be sitting out for a while this season before a team cringes and sign him.

 

Mets all the way, man. How could you not? League min, monster rotation

[Jimcanuck]

Mets all the way, man. How could you not? League min, monster rotation

 

Dodgers have 14 days to decide whether to reinstate him. They likely reinstate him, and work the phones for a trade, with Dodgers retaining some salary.

[connorp]

Dodgers have 14 days to decide whether to reinstate him. They likely reinstate him, and work the phones for a trade, with Dodgers retaining some salary.

 

The likely scenario, yeah. It’ll be interesting

[L54]

My DDL rotation just got a boost

[connorp]

I tried to pluck him in BORED but Dinger wasn’t playing ball. Bbdl helps even out a trade with Spank-off though

 

Nice

[L54]

Dodgers would be smart to just plant him in the rotation. One year commitment.

[connorp]

Dodgers would be smart to just plant him in the rotation. One year commitment.

 

In a practical sense, of course. But the bridge is torched and washing away down the river