Around Baseball 2022

[The Cats Ass]

One reason to like the challenge system is that it makes good players better.

 

If the player has a strong sense of the zone they are better. Challenging is a new skill! That's kind of fun.

 

I imagine some players will be told by their manager that they're not allowed to challenge. Wonder what managers will do with their good hitters that think every call on the edge of the plate should be a ball.

 

I can see a blame game happening. You have a cocky starting pitcher that blows all three challenges by the 5th inning. That leaves the hitters high and dry and vulnerable to bad calls in the later innings.

[John_Havok]

https://www.mlb.com/news/automatic-balls-strikes-robot-umps-challenge-system-a-hit-in-afl

 

I’m sure the way AFL is doing the challenge program has been discussed but just seeing it for the first time. What I thought was really funny is that only 33% of challenges were correct lol

 

33% is still really really high.

[Brownie19]

Stupid, but on the other hand, maybe it will increase umpire accountability and result in some of them (you know who they are) being let go. Wishful thinking?

 

Very wishful thinking. The information is already available to show how's good and poor at umpiring and nothing happens. No accountability.

[connorp]

33% is still really really high.

 

Maybe in a vacuum of what calls should be. But based on the assumption that the limited numbers of challenges made it so the challenges were only against what were thought of as “terrible calls”, 33% seems low idk

[connorp]

Maybe in a vacuum of what calls should be. But based on the assumption that the limited numbers of challenges made it so the challenges were only against what were thought of as “terrible calls”, 33% seems low idk

 

Meh. Maybe I’m wrong. I guess there’s going to be challenges that are “burned up” later on and such. Idk. Not sure what success rate is for mlb challenges

[wamco]

Wouldn’t a runner on 2nd with a great view rip off the batter to challenge? I also don’t trust that a manager couldn’t be tipped off immediately and relay it to the batter.

 

I’d just go robo ump and I think biggio would agree

[BTS]

A lot of your concerns are just details. There would be no issues if the implementation of this is done the right way.

 

Things like: A player has to make a clear physical signal to ask for a challenge and once they do that the challenge happens, full stop.

Players are not allowed to look to the dugout for instruction before asking for a challenge. The umpires can refuse a challenge if they do.

 

I actually do not care how many there are if the review process is extremely fast. I'd be happy to see 20+ reviews a game if each one is super quick and the result is that the calls are right.

 

I do think having a ball-strike penalty against players most of the time would help dissuade frivolous challenges. Those are big penalties.

 

But at that point why not just have full roboumps?

[John_Havok]

But at that point why not just have full roboumps?

 

yeah, I think this is just a baby step they are doing rather than jumping straight into "earpiece with the ump" kind of thing where they get 1 tone for a strike, or 2 for a ball...then the ump just signals the call.

 

To me, the latter is the preferred choice. Challenges is not the right way to go if you have the tech to do it the other way. Challenges could get very tedious very quickly on both sides of the ball.

[John_Havok]

Maybe in a vacuum of what calls should be. But based on the assumption that the limited numbers of challenges made it so the challenges were only against what were thought of as “terrible calls”, 33% seems low idk

 

It also depends highly on which calls are being challenged. When you look at the umpire scorecards, you can see the umps are far better at calling pitches outside of the strike zone correctly, vs in the strike zone.

[connorp]

yeah, I think this is just a baby step they are doing rather than jumping straight into "earpiece with the ump" kind of thing where they get 1 tone for a strike, or 2 for a ball...then the ump just signals the call.

 

To me, the latter is the preferred choice. Challenges is not the right way to go if you have the tech to do it the other way. Challenges could get very tedious very quickly on both sides of the ball.

 

Yeah, it’s a meet in the middle thing if that’s the way they want to go. I haven’t seen it in practice but seems it doesn’t slow down the game. Quick signal and then they show it on video board, which seems cool.

 

I think the challenge rule should be based on unsuccessful attempts. Idk. But you also don’t want to halt things in the 2nd inning with nobody on base. I would agree robo umps is probably preferred but with some tweaks, this would definitely be an improvement

[wilko]

yeah, I think this is just a baby step they are doing rather than jumping straight into "earpiece with the ump" kind of thing where they get 1 tone for a strike, or 2 for a ball...then the ump just signals the call.

 

To me, the latter is the preferred choice. Challenges is not the right way to go if you have the tech to do it the other way. Challenges could get very tedious very quickly on both sides of the ball.

 

So the umps basically turn into Vanna White?

[John_Havok]

So the umps basically turn into Vanna White?

 

For balls and strikes.... yup. Still need them for everything else that needs calling at the plate.

[Jimcanuck]

So the umps basically turn into Vanna White?

 

Thanks for reminding me of Ms. White

[Brownie19]

So the umps basically turn into Vanna White?

 

Did you expect to see a robot behind home plate?

[wilko]

Did you expect to see a robot behind home plate?

 

Yes.

 

[connorp]

Thanks for reminding me of Ms. White

 

Little known fact. She had a B movie out there where she played a stripper. Remember than fondly from early teenage years

[WryNGinger]

One reason to like the challenge system is that it makes good players better.

 

If the player has a strong sense of the zone they are better. Challenging is a new skill! That's kind of fun.

 

Now we can have 6 tool players! That is fun.

[Jimcanuck]

Little known fact. She had a B movie out there where she played a stripper. Remember than fondly from early teenage years

 

This one?

 

[connorp]

I stand corrected. D movie; had to share review, back on topic…

 

There are good movies. There are bad movies. Then there are movies that are so bad they’re good. And then there are movies that are so bad they’re just terrible. But then there is a fifth category of movie, and this is perhaps the most unique: movies that are so terrible; so profoundly, horrifyingly god-awful; so utterly devoid of anything resembling a redeeming value that they are more art than even the most carefully crafted art film. These are the movies that elevate s*****, lowbrow filmmaking to a level that transcends even the very best high art. Gypsy Angels sits at the very pinnacle of this category.

Edited October 27, 2022 by connorp

[Stangstag]

I stand corrected. D movie; had to share review, back on topic…

 

There are good movies. There are bad movies. Then there are movies that are so bad they’re good. And then there are movies that are so bad they’re just terrible. But then there is a fifth category of movie, and this is perhaps the most unique: movies that are so terrible; so profoundly, horrifyingly god-awful; so utterly devoid of anything resembling a redeeming value that they are more art than even the most carefully crafted art film. These are the movies that elevate s*****, lowbrow filmmaking to a level that transcends even the very best high art. Gypsy Angels sits at the very pinnacle of this category.

 

Tommy Wiseau made a career off this special category

[Dr. Dinger]

Tommy Wiseau made a career off this special category

 

Did he make a career?

[Stangstag]

Did he make a career?

 

Maybe not lol

[BTS]

Seems like he maybe could have done a bit better.

 

[Stangstag]

Seems like he maybe could have done a bit better.

 

 

 

Yeah he must really like it there or else seems kinda weird not to test free agency. He put up monster numbers, probably could have got a 30 mil aav and a couple more years

[Spanky__99]

Seems like he maybe could have done a bit better.

 

 

He said earlier this year he wasn't opting out and just wants to retire a Card, this isn't a surprise.

[G-Snarls]

He said earlier this year he wasn't opting out and just wants to retire a Card, this isn't a surprise.

 

Good for them

 

They're not even paying his full salary LOL

[jaysblue]

Speaks volumes about the Cards as an organization.

[G-Snarls]

Speaks volumes about the Cards as an organization.

 

It sure does

 

Almost certain he would NOT have gone this route if he was still in Colorado

[wilko]

It sure does

 

Almost certain he would NOT have gone this route if he was still in Colorado

 

Cards org >>>>>>>>>>> Rockies org

[G-Snarls]

All of the following SPs have opt outs they can exercise this off season

 

Who is most likely to do so and what might they get for contracts if they do?

 

deGrom

Verlander

Rodon