Around Baseball 2022

[G-Snarls]

Omg

 

Hader let the 8 and 9 hitters on base with none out

 

FFS

[Solaxys]

Yankees sweep As.

Astros put up 2-0 in the 9th and sweep the Mets.

[Spanky__99]

Omg

 

Hader let the 8 and 9 hitters on base with none out

 

FFS

 

He's got Dis!

[G-Snarls]

Omg

 

Hader let the 8 and 9 hitters on base with none out

 

FFS

 

Phew

 

Then 3 straight flyball outs for the save

 

Brewers win

[G-Snarls]

He's got Dis!

 

Indeed he did

[Solaxys]

JRod just blasted one, and it was a beauty.

[connorp]

JRod just blasted one, and it was a beauty.

 

Dear god, we don’t need to hear Jim chime in.

[Carlos Danger]

Seattle's top player, should be expected

 

He is not their top player...

[Jimcanuck]

He is not their top player...

 

No? He's the WAR co-leader in fewer games, with 19 steals, and plays CF. Tell me who I'm missing.

[connorp]

Damn thought Tellez pulled the Jay game out of a hat. Had him benched for N. Lowe who has been solid

[Carlos Danger]

No? He's the WAR co-leader in fewer games, with 19 steals, and plays CF. Tell me who I'm missing.

 

Offensively France has a higher wRC +, wOBA, OBP, AVG, xWOBa and they are tied in WAR. However, remember WAR can be deceptive. David Ortiz always had waaaaay less WAR then other far inferior players..

[Jimcanuck]

Offensively France has a higher wRC +, wOBA, OBP, AVG, xWOBa and they are tied in WAR. However, remember WAR can be deceptive. David Ortiz always had waaaaay less WAR then other far inferior players..

 

You are wrong in assessing France > J-Rod

[Carlos Danger]

You are wrong in assessing France > J-Rod

 

1. I thought this is in the context of who from Seattle should represent at the All Star game.

 

2. I am not assessing this as who do I want as my keystone player for the next 10 years or who I want on my rebuilding Dynasty team.

 

 

You have a lot of Fantasy shares in JRod and use this board to pump up your investments, I get it. Full disclosure I am heavly invested in France and would do the same.

 

However, if Seattle gets one player to represent at the All- Star game this year, by what metric are you going to tell France to stay home and send JRod?

[Jimcanuck]

1. I thought this is in the context of who from Seattle should represent at the All Star game.

 

2. I am not assessing this as who do I want as my keystone player for the next 10 years or who I want on my rebuilding Dynasty team.

 

 

You have a lot of Fantasy shares in JRod and use this board to pump up your investments, I get it. Full disclosure I am heavly invested in France and would do the same.

 

However, if Seattle gets one player to represent at the All- Star game this year, by what metric are you going to tell France to stay home and send JRod?

 

Papi WAR was depressed because he provided nil defensive value. WAR is the best measure of a player's value to the team.

 

With the latest tater, J-Rod has the highest WAR of any Mariner, and in addition has 19 steals that WAR does not account for. That creates a pretty clear separation from France.

 

After his initial rookie struggles, J-Rod has a 155 wRC+ since May 1. There's really no question that he is the best Seattle MLB'er going forward.

[Carlos Danger]

Papi WAR was depressed because he provided nil defensive value. WAR is the best measure of a player's value to the team.

 

With the latest tater, J-Rod has the highest WAR of any Mariner, and in addition has 19 steals that WAR does not account for. That creates a pretty clear separation from France.

 

After his initial rookie struggles, J-Rod has a 155 wRC+ since May 1. There's really no question that he is the best Seattle MLB'er going forward.

 

France has a 156 wRC+ for the whole season. His offensive value on Fangraphs is 19.8 to 10.7 for JRod.. France just gets killed on the defensive side vs a CF and he is still basically tied for WAR.

 

Regardless, I am not going to dispute your last sentence saying JRod is the better player going FWD..

 

I am going to stick to my assertion that if the Mariners get one player to represent them at the 2022 All Star game, it should be France, all helium etc aside.

[Laika]

Papi WAR was depressed because he provided nil defensive value. WAR is the best measure of a player's value to the team.

 

With the latest tater, J-Rod has the highest WAR of any Mariner, and in addition has 19 steals that WAR does not account for. That creates a pretty clear separation from France.

 

After his initial rookie struggles, J-Rod has a 155 wRC+ since May 1. There's really no question that he is the best Seattle MLB'er going forward.

 

Wtf do you mean war does not count steals lmao Jim

[Jimcanuck]

Wtf do you mean war does not count steals lmao Jim

 

BsR is used in fWAR calcs, not steals

 

edit - never mind I see that wSB is part of the BsR calc

Edited June 29, 2022 by Jimcanuck

[keggy]

Papi WAR was depressed because he provided nil defensive value. WAR is the best measure of a player's value to the team.

 

Ortiz was so bad at 1B they refused to DH guys like Manny Ramirez and Hanley Ramirez -- among two of the worst defensive outfielders in MLB history. That's crazy when you think about it.

[John_Havok]

The ultra-rare “4th out rule” happened today in the Washington-Pittsburgh game.

 

Brief synopsis, runners on 2nd and 3rd for Pittsburgh, 1 out. Hitter lines out to Josh Bell, both runners had gone on contact. Bell throws to third, and the 3b tags the runner who had run from second out for a double play, then also touches third, but the runner from 3rd had scored already.

 

So…because he tagged the runner from 2nd for the third out, and THEN touched third without appealing that the runner left early(because there was 3 outs already, they didn’t think to do it) before they left the field, the run counts. Had they appealed to the ump the runner from third left early and tagged 3b first, and then tagged the runner from second, the run wouldn’t have scored.

 

Had they appealed to the ump immediately after tagging the runner and touching 3b, run wouldn’t have scored.

 

 

f*** I love baseball.

[Spanky__99]

1. I thought this is in the context of who from Seattle should represent at the All Star game.

 

2. I am not assessing this as who do I want as my keystone player for the next 10 years or who I want on my rebuilding Dynasty team.

 

 

You have a lot of Fantasy shares in JRod and use this board to pump up your investments, I get it. Full disclosure I am heavly invested in France and would do the same.

 

However, if Seattle gets one player to represent at the All- Star game this year, by what metric are you going to tell France to stay home and send JRod?

 

I agree with everything in this post, but France is on the IL and highly unlikely to play in that game regardless.

 

One of their rookie arms might be selected as well. I like what they're doing in Seattle.

[Spanky__99]

Wtf do you mean war does not count steals lmao Jim

 

That's an embarrassing statement. lmfao.

[Laika]

France has a 156 wRC+ for the whole season. His offensive value on Fangraphs is 19.8 to 10.7 for JRod.. France just gets killed on the defensive side vs a CF and he is still basically tied for WAR.

 

Regardless, I am not going to dispute your last sentence saying JRod is the better player going FWD..

 

I am going to stick to my assertion that if the Mariners get one player to represent them at the 2022 All Star game, it should be France, all helium etc aside.

 

I dunno. If they are more or less the same in value to date, isn't J. Rod just the more exciting player for fans to watch? He's more of an All Star in that sense. Superstar prospect, more homers and steals, doing exciting things.

[Spanky__99]

Pena and Alvarez just collided in LF... Pena seems okay, Alvarez, not so much.

 

Pena got rekt

 

he just came off the IL too

 

This isn't looking good for the Stros. From what I've heard Alvarez had already been sent home before the game even ended to be evaluated and Pena might be heading back to the IL too. Costly mistake.

Edited June 30, 2022 by Spanky99

[Brownie19]

Holy f*** - Alvarez needs to DH. You can't have him running in the OF.

[Ehjays]

[Spanky__99]

Holy f*** - Alvarez needs to DH. You can't have him running in the OF.

 

It's a huge blow, mate. Especially if they lose both of them... Oof!!! Figures they face the well oiled machine Yankees to boot, lol.

[P2F]

 

Who the f*** is taking him for granted?

[Stangstag]

Who the f*** is taking him for granted?

 

The Angels

[Brownie19]

Who the f*** is taking him for granted?

 

I think there are lots of baseball fans who take him for granted. I don't think people appreciate just how good Trout and Ohtani are. I think people are naturally drawn to flashy guys like Jazz Chisholm, Tatis, Acuna, etc. more.

[Spanky__99]

I think there are lots of baseball fans who take him for granted. I don't think people appreciate just how good Trout and Ohtani are. I think people are naturally drawn to flashy guys like Jazz Chisholm, Tatis, Acuna, etc. more.

 

I'm not so sure about that, Ohtani had plenty of press all last season, VGJ was an afterthought and he just simply raked. Passan didn't need to add to that tweet.