Around Baseball 2022

[AMS528]

Do you expect them to be this good into their 30s? Nobody really should. To me they look like great players but not hall of famers. Obviously they could get in.

 

Bogaerts definitely seems like a very good player who has put up a number of solid seasons, but he's almost 30 and hasn't had those two or three 6-8 WAR seasons that really give you the runway to make the hall of fame. He would need to come close to replicating the first 8 years of his career from 30-37 to have a real shot, and that's probably super tough.

 

Devers is too early to say anything about, but he has one of those 6-8 WAR seasons under his belt, and looks like he's well on his way to that this year as well, so when looking at young guys who may have a shot, I'd consider him in the ones with a genuine chance.

[Olerud363]

Hall of Famers? Not sure that applies to any of those three although Betts has an okay shot.

 

That's not a great litmus. The Rockies s*** out a similar amount of stars, for example.

 

Rockies do a horrible job in other aspects and have many losing seasons.

 

And the 'develop stars (borderline hall of famers) was only 1 of 4 points

 

1. Develop stars. 50 WAR players who could get into the hall of fame if they have a strong 30s

2. Consistent record of success. Never more than 2 years without contending. Obviously they are doing a good job in other aspects of team building (which the Rockies are not).

3. Always on top of the latest analytics. They were the first big-market team to copy Oakland with some improvements when the on base beer leaguers didn't quite make the world series, like improving the defense in 2004. Whether they were 'cheating' or not, in 2018 they were seemingly right with Houston in terms of hitting and pitching 'game-plan' analytics.

4. Great job renovating an old ball park and keeping revenue high.

[connorp]

Ohtani's career would have been over when he needed TJ to show the difference in eras lol

 

Or he’d pitch through it after a little rest lol

[Olerud363]

Bogaerts definitely seems like a very good player who has put up a number of solid seasons, but he's almost 30 and hasn't had those two or three 6-8 WAR seasons that really give you the runway to make the hall of fame. He would need to come close to replicating the first 8 years of his career from 30-37 to have a real shot, and that's probably super tough.

 

Devers is too early to say anything about, but he has one of those 6-8 WAR seasons under his belt, and looks like he's well on his way to that this year as well, so when looking at young guys who may have a shot, I'd consider him in the ones with a genuine chance.

 

Bogaerts had a 5.9 in 2019. Actually had a almost identical season to Devers that year. Bogaerts is kind of Derek Jeterish, I think he's 3 to 5 WAR behind Jeter through age 29 with 90 games to go this year, and 100 games missing in 2020.

 

Bogaerts has 2 rings. Though one of them you almost forget since he was a late season add-in in 2013... though seems he played a lot in the post-season.

[Olerud363]

Or he’d pitch through it after a little rest lol

 

Or maybe he'd throw at 75% all day and never need Tommy John.

[jaysblue]

Do you expect them to be this good into their 30s? Nobody really should. To me they look like great players but not hall of famers. Obviously they could get in.

 

Devers is only 25 and Bogaerts has already posted a career 31.6 WAR at the age of 29. Even already this season Bogaerts has 3.3 WAR which is tied for 8th best in the MLB. Devers is second with a 4.0 WAR. As long as they stay healthy and continue to produce at an elite level into their thirties, I don't see why not. Unless they completely fall off a cliff at the age of 30 and start becoming dumpster fires, though I doubt it.

 

Most American writers and Boston writers will definitely give them votes. Plus winning a couple of Championships won't hurt. Playing for a team like the Red Sox or the Yankees always has its benefits. Maybe they don't get in on the first ballot, though don't see why they wouldn't get in during any one of the remaining years they're eligible if they continue to play well into their mid-to-late thirties.

Edited June 23, 2022 by jaysblue

[connorp]

Nomad looked like a strong bet at 30. Gotta finish lol

[connorp]

But yeah, I’d say Bogey has good shot if he continues on. Won’t be one of those generational guys, but worthy

[jaysblue]

Also, lets revisit the term "Hall of Fame caliber player" in the context it was just used.

 

Can we say for example someone like Tim Lincecum was a "Hall of Fame caliber player" developed in the Giants system? Lincecum was probably one of the most, if not most dominant pitchers in baseball during 2008 and 2009 winning the NL Cy Young in both of those years. As well, he did have some other quality seasons as well and helped the Giants win three championships. Though is he going to be a Hall of Famer? Likely not since he had a short career. Though if he stayed healthy and continued to pitch at a high level until his age 30 season and was at least a solid/consistent arm after his age 30 season producing seasons of 3-4 WAR, he likely would be a Hall of Famer.

[BTS]

I think Jose Abreu has an increasingly interesting HoF case if the voters ever start acting like they aren't just the MLB HoF. Didn't come over until 27, but say he keeps it going for a few more years and puts up 35 fWAR as a 1B, 350 homers, 2000 hits, and 8 or 9 100 RBI seasons. Would that plus his MVP, spotless reputation, and long career of dominance in Cuba make him a viable candidate?

[Laika]

Devers is only 25 and Bogaerts has already posted a career 31.6 WAR at the age of 29. Even already this season Bogaerts has 3.3 WAR which is tied for 8th best in the MLB. Devers is second with a 4.0 WAR. As long as they stay healthy and continue to produce at an elite level into their thirties, I don't see why not. Unless they completely fall off a cliff at the age of 30 and start becoming dumpster fires, though I doubt it.

 

Most American writers and Boston writers will definitely give them votes. Plus winning a couple of Championships won't hurt. Playing for a team like the Red Sox or the Yankees always has its benefits. Maybe they don't get in on the first ballot, though don't see why they wouldn't get in during any one of the remaining years they're eligible if they continue to play well into their mid-to-late thirties.

 

Sorry, like it not neither has a better than 50% chance of being a hall of famer in my opinion. Devers maybe has a better shot.

[Laika]

Although with the dumb committees and s*** who f***ing knows

[Solaxys]

Bregman hits a 3-run HR against Taillon in the first inning. 3 - 0 Astros

Stanton responds with his own 3-run HR against Valdez. 3 - 3

Edited June 23, 2022 by Solaxys

[Stangstag]

Bregman hits a 3-run HR against Taillon in the first inning. 3 - 0 Astros

Stanton responds with his own 3-run HR against Valdez. 3 - 3

 

Miracle run this year for the Yanks… is this finally the year they go all the way? I feel like maybe they’re peaking too early

[Solaxys]

Yordan Alvarez hits a Vladdy-esque line drive 3-run HR (porched?). 6 - 3 Astros

 

Miracle run this year for the Yanks… is this finally the year they go all the way? I feel like maybe they’re peaking too early

 

Astros offense is still good tbh. If they pick up some pitching, they can go all the way behind Verlander.

They started really slow but now they are raking (we got extremely lucky that we faced them when their offense was in a lull).

Edited June 24, 2022 by Solaxys

[glory]

Miracle run this year for the Yanks… is this finally the year they go all the way? I feel like maybe they’re peaking too early

 

I feel like there’s a good chance we see a Yankees/Astros ALCS. Obviously it’s baseball so anything can happen but those two teams seem on a different level than everyone else.

[Solaxys]

Hicks launches a 3-run HR in the 9th; 6 - 6

[Ray]

Jesus, Aaron Hicks with a massive 3 run game tying bomb against Pressly in the bottom of the 9th.

 

Irks me how good the Yankees are this year.

[Solaxys]

Pressly with the super choke.

 

Yankees walkoff on Judge Single, 7 - 6

Edited June 24, 2022 by Solaxys

[Ray]

I’ll allow the Yankees to break the all time season wins record if it means they get bounced in the first round.

[connorp]

I’ll allow the Yankees to break the all time season wins record if it means they get bounced in the first round.

 

Yeah, I’ve said it’s better for Jay fans to just mentally concede the division now. Wins like this are just how the season is going to be for NY. Playoffs anything can happen

[Stangstag]

Pressly with the super choke.

 

Yankees walkoff on Judge Single, 7 - 6

 

Dusty just let him f***ing die out there. Almost as bad as Romano’s choke job on Tuesday

[Stangstag]

Yeah, I’ve said it’s better for Jay fans to just mentally concede the division now. Wins like this are just how the season is going to be for NY. Playoffs anything can happen

 

Yeah its pretty much over already. Gotta go for the first wildcard spot and home field advantage now

[Jaysareus]

Super stupid pitch sequence to judge . 4 exact same off speed pitch. Big stupid judge caught on to the fourth pitch to win it

[Solaxys]

Super stupid pitch sequence to judge . 4 exact same off speed pitch. Big stupid judge caught on to the fourth pitch to win it

 

Just like what Romano did with the sliders to him

[Spanky__99]

Yordan Alvarez hits a Vladdy-esque line drive 3-run HR (porched?). 6 - 3 Astros

 

 

 

Astros offense is still good tbh. If they pick up some pitching, they can go all the way behind Verlander.

They started really slow but now they are raking (we got extremely lucky that we faced them when their offense was in a lull).

 

One could say the Stros were lucky the Jays offense was in a lull?

[Jaysareus]

I'm tired of seeing judge. He looks like he escaped from some experimental lab

[John_Havok]

I'm tired of seeing judge. He looks like he escaped from some experimental lab

 

Should check out recent pics of former pitcher and now bodybuilder Kyle Farnsworth. It’s beyond experimental for him, looks like he used every steroid on Earth

[P2F]

Miracle run this year for the Yanks… is this finally the year they go all the way? I feel like maybe they’re peaking too early

 

Yeah, they might be peaking too early.

 

Does anyone remember how incredible of a start the Utah Jazz got off to this season? They looked like the best team in the NBA for a while through most of the first half of the season - they had a 26-9 start. They finished 49-33 and 5th in the Western Conference, bowing out in the first round of the playoffs. So a 23-24 record from that point on.

 

That's not to say that the Yankees will have a similar collapse, but the law of averages just might catch up to them sooner than later.

 

It's just so unlikely that they keep up such a torrid pace, but maybe this is just their year, as you said. Hopefully just a random extended hot streak that averages out over the course of a season.

[Laika]

I could see Cortes and Taillon and Montgomery all struggling at some point. Add in an injury or two to their old players...