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[Laika]

How are the Padres always trading for starting pitching. I swear they must have 7 arms in the rotation lol

 

Lamet might close

 

some massive injury or performance risks on their depth chart

[BTS]

I can't believe how little Oakland has to show for Olson, Bassitt, Chapman, and Manaea. One of the worst offseasons ever.

[Krylian]

I can't believe how little Oakland has to show for Olson, Bassitt, Chapman, and Manaea. One of the worst offseasons ever.

 

And yet they'll be back to winning 98 games a season within 2 years

[TwistedLogic]

Weirdly big trade.

 

I wanted Sulser last year.

[TwistedLogic]

Speaking of small big trades, anyone remember this monstrosity?

 

Happ was traded to the Toronto Blue Jays on July 20, 2012, along with Brandon Lyon, and David Carpenter, for Francisco Cordero, Ben Francisco, Asher Wojciechowski, David Rollins, Joe Musgrove, Carlos Pérez, and Kevin Comer.

[Ryu In My House]

Speaking of small big trades, anyone remember this monstrosity?

 

What are some of the worst trades in Jays history? I keep coming back to the RA Dickey trade, but is that the worst?

[Grant77]

What are some of the worst trades in Jays history? I keep coming back to the RA Dickey trade, but is that the worst?

 

Top 3 worst off the top of my head is:

 

Halladay for Drabek, et al.

Young for Loaiza

Olerud for Person

 

Dickey provided positive value and Syndergaard, while great, was on the IL at least half of his 6 controllable years. It's really bad, but I don't know about the worst in our history.

[Grant77]

Weirdly big trade.

 

I wanted Sulser last year.

 

I don't really understand what the Marlins are doing. They give away Cimber in a salary dump and then pay assets to get a similarly talented reliever.

[Spanky__99]

I don't really understand what the Marlins are doing. They give away Cimber in a salary dump and then pay assets to get a similarly talented reliever.

 

That's why Jeter jumped ship.

[Stangstag]

Top 3 worst off the top of my head is:

 

Halladay for Drabek, et al.

Young for Loaiza

Olerud for Person

 

Dickey provided positive value and Syndergaard, while great, was on the IL at least half of his 6 controllable years. It's really bad, but I don't know about the worst in our history.

 

What about the David Price trade? Gave up Boyd and Norris (who never became anything, but still) for 12 regular season starts + 3 mediocre postseason starts.

 

Boyd has been a pretty solid mid-back end starter for several seasons

 

Also the Brad Hand trade last year, simply for the fact it likely cost us a playoff spot

[Jimcanuck]

Boomer for Sirotka

 

Boomer went on to compile another 19 WAR, Sirotka never threw another pitch

[Spanky__99]

Boomer for Sirotka

 

Boomer went on to compile another 19 WAR, Sirotka never threw another pitch

 

And Selig turned down the grievance claim from Toronto, cause they were butt buddies, that whole thing was brutal.

[Slot Machine]

And yet they'll be back to winning 98 games a season within 2 years

 

Yeah, but they'll be in Vegas by then with quadruple the payroll.

[TheHurl]

Other than it sold some tickets the:

Josh Johnson, Emilio Bonifacio, John Buck, Mark Buehrle, Jose Reyes for Henderson Alvarez III, Anthony DeSclafani, Yunel Escobar, Adeiny Hechavarria, Jake Marisnick, Jeff Mathis and Justin Nicolino.

 

Is still one of the worst for me, obviously not as a standalone but because because of where it started to where it ended up.

[Slade]

What about the David Price trade? Gave up Boyd and Norris (who never became anything, but still) for 12 regular season starts + 3 mediocre postseason starts.

 

Boyd has been a pretty solid mid-back end starter for several seasons

 

Also the Brad Hand trade last year, simply for the fact it likely cost us a playoff spot

 

Can't really say the Price deal is anywhere near worst in history. He performed poorly in the post season but we needed him to get there.

[BTS]

One of the weirdest ones was trading 5 years of Liam Hendriks for 1 year of Jesse Chavez.

[jaysblue]

Other than it sold some tickets the:

Josh Johnson, Emilio Bonifacio, John Buck, Mark Buehrle, Jose Reyes for Henderson Alvarez III, Anthony DeSclafani, Yunel Escobar, Adeiny Hechavarria, Jake Marisnick, Jeff Mathis and Justin Nicolino.

 

Is still one of the worst for me, obviously not as a standalone but because because of where it started to where it ended up.

 

Other than DeSclafani, did those other players/arms do anything special that makes you hit your head?

 

Buehrle wasn't anything special, but he was solid and a reliable innings eater. Josh Johnson was the biggest bust, but if he was healthy he was a top arm. Reyes still was solid with the bat, but defensively was meh.

 

If that trade didn't happen, you wouldn't have had the 2015 and 2016 postseason.

[jaysblue]

One of the weirdest ones was trading 5 years of Liam Hendriks for 1 year of Jesse Chavez.

 

A lot of people on this board loved Jesse Chavez and fapped about him all the time. But looking back, this was an awful trade. Imagine keeping Hendricks and having an elite closer like him right now.

[jaysblue]

What about the David Price trade? Gave up Boyd and Norris (who never became anything, but still) for 12 regular season starts + 3 mediocre postseason starts.

 

Boyd has been a pretty solid mid-back end starter for several seasons

 

Also the Brad Hand trade last year, simply for the fact it likely cost us a playoff spot

 

Wouldn't have made the postseason in 2015 if it wasn't for Price. And the Jays were a World Series contender in 2015. They were a better team than the Royals on paper.

 

Boyd would have been here when the Jays were rebuilding. It's not like him alone would have made the Jays relevant in 2018 and 2019.

[Spanky__99]

A lot of people on this board loved Jesse Chavez and fapped about him all the time. But looking back, this was an awful trade. Imagine keeping Hendricks and having an elite closer like him right now.

 

*Hendriks

[Spanky__99]

Boomer for Sirotka

 

Boomer went on to compile another 19 WAR, Sirotka never threw another pitch

 

Boomer accrued 19 War at 37 plus, impressive.

[BTS]

Wouldn't have made the postseason in 2015 if it wasn't for Price. And the Jays were a World Series contender in 2015. They were a better team than the Royals on paper.

 

Boyd would have been here when the Jays were rebuilding. It's not like him alone would have made the Jays relevant in 2018 and 2019.

 

Toronto won the division by 6 games in 2015. I don't think Price had quite that big an impact in a third of a season or whatever.

[BTS]

Boomer accrued 19 War at 37 plus, impressive.

 

That's actually crazy. Like 8 more WAR than 37+ Nelson Cruz.

[Spanky__99]

That's actually crazy. Like 8 more WAR than 37+ Nelson Cruz.

 

Yeah, it's crazy. Always loved Boomer.

[Laika]

One of the weirdest ones was trading 5 years of Liam Hendriks for 1 year of Jesse Chavez.

 

I don't remember much about Hendriks back then but the pieces I do recall portray him as a very very average reliever, someone utterly replaceable. Good but not amazing velo.... and his 3 years following the trade kind of support that. If you look at ERA, haha.

[Jimcanuck]

Apparently a lot of teams interested in Trevor Rosenthal.... hope the Jays get him

[jaysblue]

Toronto won the division by 6 games in 2015. I don't think Price had quite that big an impact in a third of a season or whatever.

 

If the Jays didn't have Price, they wouldn't have won the division. Who would have made his 11 starts instead? Jays won 9 of the games he started.

[Scion]

The Jeff Kent trade stands out as worst all time.

[Spanky__99]

The Jeff Kent trade stands out as worst all time.

 

Jays won the WS... I don't think so.

[max silver]

Toronto won the division by 6 games in 2015. I don't think Price had quite that big an impact in a third of a season or whatever.

 

Price was by far the most productive starter on the roster that season in a grand total of 11 starts or 74 innings he was worth a tidy 2.6 WAR. The next best full sesaon WAR on the roster was Buehrle with 2.0 WAR. Price gave them an undisputable ace in the rotation. Stroman coming back late and Price entering the rotation both game the club a massive boost that turned them from a middling team into a true powerhouse.