The Blue Jays extend José Berríos for 7 years and $131M

[L54]

I high doubt the evaluation of whether to offer Matz a QO or not was as basic as you suggest and the Thor signing really doesn't impact that.

 

I suspect there was a very real discussion and evaluation on whether or not to offer Matz a QO. Matz is VERY likely to get a multi year deal in this market. We all expected Thor would get a 1 year pillow deal to rebuild value and we all know that Thor has way more upside than Matz (and it's Thor @ $21M + 2nd rounder in your comparison).

 

If Matz signs for 3 year $50M, or 4 years $60M or something like that, then there's probably an argument we should have offered him a QO so get the 2nd round compensation. If that's the market for him, then I don't think it's a guarantee he would have accepted the QO.

 

If guys like DeSclafani, Gray and Wood start signing 1 year $10M or 2 year $20M deals, then sure, offering Matz a QO would have been a bad idea - if they sign 1 year $16M or 2 years $30M, then a QO for Matz was probably perfectly fine (as there's value in securing someone and not missing out) but it's yet to be seen how this will all play out. I trust this FO has done their due diligence and determined the market won't be hot enough this year to justify the risk/reward of a QO to Matz. That's good news for the Jays who look to be big players as they push to become elite.

 

Now I'm almost certain that when Matz signs, you'll come back and say "see - I told you guys the QO for Matz was stupid - why would anyone suggest it was worth evaluating" - which just means the FO read the market correctly and made the right choice. It doesn't mean the evaluation wasn't worthwhile and necessary. I'd say there's probably a 25% chance the FO is wrong (if I were to guess).

 

Dude you should cc Atkins on this because he’s the one who made the decision not me

[wilko]

Love this deal! I much rather them locking up Berrios than letting him walk after next year. So far he's been a workhorse!

 

Who's next? Julio Teheran? He seems like a guy Walker could fix...

[Brownie19]

If... if... if...

 

Atkins and Co. all broke that down. He wasn't worth it when it came to that decision. Simple.

 

Sorry - I'm just responding to the notion that there was no way the club would even consider giving Matz a QO and that it was a complete no brainer. I suspect the evaluation was closer than some believe. I also don't think Thor's deal is any indication. I'll let it go.

[Brownie19]

Love this deal! I much rather them locking up Berrios than letting him walk after next year. So far he's been a workhorse!

 

Who's next? Julio Teheran? He seems like a guy Walker could fix...

 

On a minor league deal with an invite to camp? Sure.

[Jimcanuck]

I think Berrios could have gotten more $ with same term from others but this dispels some of the myths players are just mercenaries.

 

He wasn't a FA though. Still 2 years away, which would depress the contract value. It's a reasonable value given the circumstances and length.

[jerb]

[jerb]

 

Scott Mitchell

@ScottyMitchTSN

 

Jose Berrios’ numbers with #BlueJays don’t jump off the page at first glance, but after his mid-August blip they are dirty.

 

Over final 7 starts: 46 IP, 32 H, 5 BB, 53 K, 2.93 ERA, 2.87 FIP.

 

Health permitting, there’s a career year coming during this deal, and maybe more.

[Virgil_Hiltz]

He wasn't a FA though. Still 2 years away, which would depress the contract value. It's a reasonable value given the circumstances and length.

 

Very much aware of that...also he may have considered the injury risk involved being a pitcher in those two yrs.

[Spanky99]

It wasn't so much upset with trade for me at least (its kind of funny to reread the initial reactions to the deal ITT). Just seemed a bit inconsistent with drumbeat of building system to field consistent winner anchored from within. In retrospect lots of criticisms of the 2 who went now, but they were highly touted by the same FO. Seems like this FO is doing their best to balance strategic external signings while farming internal resources to bring up. Given our payroll probably a wise approach. A lot of the concern at the time was that he couldn't be resigned....and...well....thats no longer an issue.

 

Original reactions in this thread, or the initial trade thread, lol. That's what my comment was referencing, I knew they'd get this done, not a shocker to me at all. Overall I'm pleased with what Atkins has accomplished so far. Certainly lots of emotion in that thread...

 

https://www.bluejaysmessageboard.com/threads/9773-The-Blue-Jays-acquire-Jose-Berrios-from-the-Minnesota-Twins?p=1528889&viewfull=1#post1528889

[DigitalRock]

Wow,huge, makes the trade way better. All that whining over him nit being here more then 2 seasons lol.

[DigitalRock]

Original reactions in this thread, or the initial trade thread, lol. That's what my comment was referencing, I knew they'd get this done, not a shocker to me at all. Overall I'm pleased with what Atkins has accomplished so far. Certainly lots of emotion in that thread...

 

https://www.bluejaysmessageboard.com/threads/9773-The-Blue-Jays-acquire-Jose-Berrios-from-the-Minnesota-Twins?p=1528889&viewfull=1#post1528889

 

Exactly, I Said the same thing, people overreacting in that thread as per the norm.

[DigitalRock]

If things go well, he'll be the #3 in Toronto.

Number 3? Wah lol

[wilko]

Original reactions in this thread, or the initial trade thread, lol. That's what my comment was referencing, I knew they'd get this done, not a shocker to me at all. Overall I'm pleased with what Atkins has accomplished so far. Certainly lots of emotion in that thread...

 

https://www.bluejaysmessageboard.com/threads/9773-The-Blue-Jays-acquire-Jose-Berrios-from-the-Minnesota-Twins?p=1528889&viewfull=1#post1528889

 

Lots of cringe and armchair GM's in there. Yikes.

[G-Snarls]

Baseball analysts loving the deal for the Jays

 

That's the advantage of having exclusive bargaining rights

[JaysAllMighty]

I approved this contract. I also approved no QO for Matz.

 

So far Shatkins on the right track.

[Spanky99]

Exactly, I Said the same thing, people overreacting in that thread as per the norm.

 

Clearly... not enough cheese in that thread of whine.

[Spanky99]

Baseball analysts loving the deal for the Jays

 

That's the advantage of having exclusive bargaining rights

 

Not to mention they(Twins) allowed Toronto to have extensive talks before the trade, Atkins knew they were close enough for an extension. It was really the only thing that made sense in that transaction.

[EastCoaster]

To me this is an indication the Jays front office is moving away from Ray and Semien there's noway with this contract to Berrios the next step is lock in Vladdy and Bichette IMO.

[Grant77]

To me this is an indication the Jays front office is moving away from Ray and Semien there's noway with this contract to Berrios the next step is lock in Vladdy and Bichette IMO.

 

I don't think payroll will be so low as to preclude a reunion with either player. Bichette wouldn't make that much during the entirety of a Ray contract, as long term deals for players like him tend to mirror arbitration raises.

[BlueRocky]

I approved this contract. I also approved no QO for Matz.

 

So far Shatkins on the right track.

 

Get Semien or Ray back pls thx

[Spanky99]

I approved this contract. I also approved no QO for Matz.

 

So far Shatkins on the right track.

 

Hey... move over, you're not the only one.

[G-Snarls]

I don't think payroll will be so low as to preclude a reunion with either player. Bichette wouldn't make that much during the entirety of a Ray contract, as long term deals for players like him tend to mirror arbitration raises.

 

Yeah I think they are willing to spend the $$ to keep one or the other

[Eat My Shatkins]

This is a great bit of business that Shatkins got accomplished and completely necessary due to the prospect capital given up to acquire Berrios. Well done

 

Now let's go out and land a front line starter in free agency to replace at least some of what Ray brought last season. Scherzer would be amazing, or Gausman.

 

It'd be nice to get a free agent to fill that hole so they don't have to spend more prospect capital acquiring a starter from Oakland, Miami or Cincinnati.

Edited November 16, 2021 by Eat My Shatkins

[G-Snarls]

We probably got him below market rate because we acquired him before UFA so that's a decent trade, all things considered.

 

Exactly

 

Probably a little scared of the upcoming CBA//lockout/free agency uncertainty

 

Can't negotiate with anyone but the Jays

 

Probably enjoyed his few months here

 

Was sold on the certainty of a 7 year deal that provided security even if a bit below market value

[Ray]

If Berrios had the exact same season as he did in 2021 this upcoming season, how much would he get on the open market in 2022 given his age?

 

Gotta be significantly more than $120M I would think.

[saskjayfan]

Great signing....definitely going to help in attracting free agents looking for a long term deal.

[Grant77]

If Berrios had the exact same season as he did in 2021 this upcoming season, how much would he get on the open market in 2022 given his age?

 

Gotta be significantly more than $120M I would think.

 

Likely another 7 years at even more money. Maybe like 7/154?

[G-Snarls]

Likely another 7 years at even more money. Maybe like 7/154?

 

That seems exactly right

[John_Havok]

This is a the first step to a 7 year erection.

 

I like this.

[FantasyNewb]

This is a the first step to a 7 year erection.

 

I like this.

 

That's a full year longer than my longest erection.