Jays 2021/22 General Off-Season Discussion

[Spanky99]

If it's just a shot to see if he's got anything left, I think it's a great idea.

 

Yeah, it's likely an NRI on a minor league contract.

[The_DH]

Yeah, it's likely an NRI on a minor league contract.

 

I think I saw somewhere that it was an NRI on a minor league contract. Obviously shows that we need something in centre field

[Spanky99]

I think I saw somewhere that it was an NRI on a minor league contract. Obviously shows that we need something in centre field

 

Shouldn't have moved Grichuk. Ah well...

[Jays24]

Shouldn't have moved Grichuk. Ah well...

 

Ya I was far from a Grichuk fan but he was easily our best option at CF when Springer is out. That part seems more important than ensuring our 4th OFer is a left handed bat.

 

Only thing I don't understand is that if Tepia is supposed to be a lot faster than Girchuk, how bad are his reads and route running to not be able to play CF? I guess we'll find out soon enough.

Edited March 30, 2022 by Jays24

[Krylian]

Shouldn't have moved Grichuk. Ah well...

 

Unless it was very 'payroll parameter' driven. The savings may already be earmarked for additions later this season?

[Spanky99]

Unless it was very 'payroll parameter' driven. The savings may already be earmarked for additions later this season?

 

Did you read that article with Shapiro? There's really no cash worries for these guys, they made that trade to get Pinto and obviously liked Tapia as a replacement. He'll be backing up for Springer as our CF depth. Not a fan.

[glory]

Unless it was very 'payroll parameter' driven. The savings may already be earmarked for additions later this season?

 

I don't think they saved any money for this year. The money they are giving to Colorado combined with Tapia's salary I believe nets out to Grichuk's 2022 money, so it's a wash. They do save money in 2023 though if they non tender Tapia.

 

My guess is this deal was done because Charlie benching a vetrin goes against his DNA and they wanted to give Grich a chance to play everyday somewhere, combined with needing a LH bat off the bench to balance out the roster a bit. I'm sure getting (stealing?) a prospect at the same time was the cherry on top.

[Spanky99]

Ya I was far from a Grichuk fan but he was easily our best option at CF when Springer is out. That part seems more important than ensuring our 4th is a left handed bat.

 

Only thing I don't understand is that if Tepia is supposed to be a lot faster than Girchuk, how bad are his reads and route running to not be able to play CF? I guess we'll find out soon enough.

 

Indeed, and maybe he can, Colorado has a huge CF as does most of the teams in the West do as well.

[Krylian]

Did you read that article with Shapiro? There's really no cash worries for these guys, they made that trade to get Pinto and obviously liked Tapia as a replacement. He'll be backing up for Springer as our CF depth. Not a fan.

 

Fair enough.

 

Hadn't read it.

[Jays24]

I don't think they saved any money for this year. The money they are giving to Colorado combined with Tapia's salary I believe nets out to Grichuk's 2022 money, so it's a wash. They do save money in 2023 though if they non tender Tapia.

 

My guess is this deal was done because Charlie benching a vetrin goes against his DNA and they wanted to give Grich a chance to play everyday somewhere, combined with needing a LH bat off the bench to balance out the roster a bit. I'm sure getting (stealing?) a prospect at the same time was the cherry on top.

 

Does anyone know where that prospect ranks in our system?

 

Grichuk pretty much got a full seasons worth of at bats last year so I wouldn't consider that an issue. Grichuk would still have been part of our top 9 lineup since we don't have a full time DH.

[The Cats Ass]

I don't think they saved any money for this year. The money they are giving to Colorado combined with Tapia's salary I believe nets out to Grichuk's 2022 money, so it's a wash. They do save money in 2023 though if they non tender Tapia.

 

My guess is this deal was done because Charlie benching a vetrin goes against his DNA and they wanted to give Grich a chance to play everyday somewhere, combined with needing a LH bat off the bench to balance out the roster a bit. I'm sure getting (stealing?) a prospect at the same time was the cherry on top.

 

About 7 million. Maybe the deal was secretly all about Pinto. Sneaky Shatkins

[Deadpool]

Does anyone know where that prospect ranks in our system?

 

Probably outside of the top 30, for now. If he's top 30, it'd be JUST BARELY.

 

This is a very young kid with very little professional experience, and he doesn't really have a "good body" for traditional scouts to fap to.

[Spanky99]

Fair enough.

 

Hadn't read it.

 

Here you go...

 

https://www.mlb.com/bluejays/news/mark-shapiro-discusses-blue-jays-payroll

 

It's a very good and promising read.

[The Cats Ass]

Probably outside of the top 30, for now. If he's top 30, it'd be JUST BARELY.

 

This is a very young kid with very little professional experience, and he doesn't really have a "good body" for traditional scouts to fap to.

 

He's very intriguing. Led the DSL in SB, 2nd in OPS, 1st(by a lot) in BB/K.

[Deadpool]

He's very intriguing. Led the DSL in SB, 2nd in OPS, 1st(by a lot) in BB/K.

 

I'm not saying I'm not pleased that we picked him up, just that he's not yet going to be a highly rated prospect compared to others in our system. If he plays full season ball in the US this year and does well, he could move pretty dramatically.

[Jimcanuck]

The deal was in no small part to avoid an unhappy Grichuk sitting on the bench Edited March 30, 2022 by Jimcanuck

[The Cats Ass]

I'm not saying I'm not pleased that we picked him up, just that he's not yet going to be a highly rated prospect compared to others in our system. If he plays full season ball in the US this year and does well, he could move pretty dramatically.

 

I've already convinced myself he's Jose Altuve. 5' 6"/156 vs 5' 6"/166. Pinto has a couple years to gain 10 lbs.

[Spanky99]

Sumting Woooooong...

 

Optioned RHPs Hagen Danner and Bowden Francis, LHPs Zach Logue and Anthony Kay, INF Leo Jimenez, 2B Otto Lopez, C Gabriel Moreno and OF Josh Palacios to minor league camp. Reassigned C Chris Bec, RHPs Max Castillo, Adrian Hernandez, Sean Rackoski, Fitz Stadler and Casey Lawrence, 2B Samas Taylor, SSs Estivan Machado, Zac Cook and Orelvis Martinez and CF Chavez Young to minor league camp. Agreed to terms with 3B Matt Chapman, INFs Cavan Biggio, LHPs Ryan Borucki and Tim Mayza, RHPs Trevor Richards, Ross Stripling, Adam Climber and Trent Thornton and C Danny Jensen.

[Grant77]

Sumting Woooooong...

 

Maybe it was like a John McDonald trade where he got traded for himself as a PTBNL.

[TwistedLogic]

I wonder why this front office hates Samad Taylor so much. Kid crushed AA pitching last year as a 22-year-old and they left him exposed to the Rule 5 draft before they knew it would get canceled. Then he gets no action in Spring Training while career-bums like Mallex Smith and Nathan Lukes got a ton of playing time.

 

They must really see nothing in him. Shame, because he was super exciting to follow last year.

 

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Edit: Scratch that, they did play him. For a single at-bat. In which he hit a home run, lol.

 

His only other career "MLB" at-bat was also in spring training, when he hit a two-run go-ahead single against the Yankees in 2019.

 

Something tells me this kid is going to make the Jays look dumb whenever he inevitably ends up playing for another team.

Edited March 30, 2022 by TwistedLogic

[Krylian]

I wonder why this front office hates Samad Taylor so much. Kid crushed AA pitching last year as a 22-year-old and they left him exposed to the Rule 5 draft before they knew it would get canceled. Then he gets no action in Spring Training while career-bums like Mallex Smith and Nathan Lukes got a ton of playing time.

 

They must really see nothing in him. Shame, because he was super exciting to follow last year.

 

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Edit: Scratch that, they did play him. For a single at-bat. In which he hit a home run, lol.

 

His only other career "MLB" at-bat was also in spring training, when he hit a two-run go-ahead single against the Yankees in 2019.

 

Something tells me this kid is going to make the Jays look dumb whenever he inevitably ends up playing for another team.

 

Maybe he's a rotten person.

[Stangstag]

 

I like this. Berrios and Gausman are our long term guys so they get 1-2, Ryu gets 3 which means he won’t face the Yankees and slot Manoah 4th to split up the lefties.

 

Means we’ll have all except Ryu going against the Yankees in NY. Should be a fun series

[Grant77]

 

I like this. Berrios and Gausman are our long term guys so they get 1-2, Ryu gets 3 which means he won’t face the Yankees and slot Manoah 4th to split up the lefties.

 

Means we’ll have all except Ryu going against the Yankees in NY. Should be a fun series

 

I don't think they could have set it up any better.

[G-Snarls]

Atkins on MLB Radio:

 

Conceded that they'd been after Gausman, Berrios multiple times

 

Said that they had "tried to get Kikuchi the first time" and are happy that they got him the second time

 

Happy to have improved IF defense

 

Thrilled to be in one home stadium all season

 

Exacited about rhe bullpen. Very high on Garcia.

[G-Snarls]

Matt Chapman must have said 20 times how amazing the coaching and training staff are

[Krylian]

Atkins on MLB Radio:

 

Conceded that they'd been after Gausman, Berrios multiple times

 

Said that they had "tried to get Kikuchi the first time" and are happy that they got him the second time

 

Happy to have improved IF defense

 

Thrilled to be in one home stadium all season

 

Exacited about rhe bullpen. Very high on Garcia.

 

I'm curious what other players (JRam aside) they've been after and will continue to pursue until they get them.

[Grant77]

I'm curious what other players (JRam aside) they've been after and will continue to pursue until they get them.

 

We've been linked to Tyler Mahle and that still makes some degree of sense. Michael Brantley and Jake Odorizzi could be targets at the deadline (unlikely) or in free agency.

[Stangstag]

I'm curious what other players (JRam aside) they've been after and will continue to pursue until they get them.

 

Jonathan Villar at the deadline

[connorp]

Jonathan Villar at the deadline

 

Book it

[xposbrad]

I'm curious what other players (JRam aside) they've been after and will continue to pursue until they get them.

 

Wouldn't mind Bryan Reynolds. Think he'll cost much less to acquire than Jram and provide good production and is younger/cheaper.