Trevor Bauer discussion thread

[Maahfaace]

What are you talking about. I have never expressed that Bauer is guilty or innocent, only to let the facts as determined by a court of law decide. Making conclusions based on stuff on twitter and other social media is just dumb.

 

194 seems about right for that s*** Bauer pulled

 

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[John_Havok]

Just so everyone is aware, here's the actual wording of the definitions under MLB's Domestic Abuse and Sexual Assault policy:

 

Domestic violence is a pattern of abusive behavior in any intimate relationship that is used by one partner to gain or maintain power and control over another intimate partner. It occurs in heterosexual and same sex relationships and impacts individuals from all economic, educational, cultural, age, gender, racial, and religious demographics. Domestic violence includes, but is not limited to, physical or sexual violence, emotional and/or psychological intimidation, verbal violence, stalking, economic control, harassment, physical intimidation, or injury. Notwithstanding this definition, a single incident of abusive behavior in any intimate relationship, or a single incident of abusive behavior involving a female member of a Player’s family who is domiciled with him, may subject a Player to discipline under this Policy.

 

Sexual assault refers to a range of behaviors, including a completed nonconsensual sex act, an attempted nonconsensual sex act, and/or nonconsensual sexual contact. Lack of consent is inferred when a person uses force, harassment, threat of force, threat of adverse personnel or disciplinary action, or other coercion, or when the victim is asleep, incapacitated, unconscious or legally incapable of consent.

 

Child abuse is any act or failure to act on the part of a parent or caretaker which results in death, serious physical or emotional harm, sexual abuse or exploitation of a child who is under the age of 18 or not an emancipated minor, or any act or failure to act which presents an imminent risk of such harm to such a child.

 

This policy covers acts of child abuse, domestic violence and sexual assault (together, “Covered Act”) as defined above.

 

 

All the arbitrators had to do was find even one transgression of the incredibly broad definitions above in the entire sordid affair to uphold any part of the suspension.

[Jimcanuck]

Just so everyone is aware, here's the actual wording of the definitions under MLB's Domestic Abuse and Sexual Assault policy:

 

Domestic violence is a pattern of abusive behavior in any intimate relationship that is used by one partner to gain or maintain power and control over another intimate partner. It occurs in heterosexual and same sex relationships and impacts individuals from all economic, educational, cultural, age, gender, racial, and religious demographics. Domestic violence includes, but is not limited to, physical or sexual violence, emotional and/or psychological intimidation, verbal violence, stalking, economic control, harassment, physical intimidation, or injury. Notwithstanding this definition, a single incident of abusive behavior in any intimate relationship, or a single incident of abusive behavior involving a female member of a Player’s family who is domiciled with him, may subject a Player to discipline under this Policy.

 

Sexual assault refers to a range of behaviors, including a completed nonconsensual sex act, an attempted nonconsensual sex act, and/or nonconsensual sexual contact. Lack of consent is inferred when a person uses force, harassment, threat of force, threat of adverse personnel or disciplinary action, or other coercion, or when the victim is asleep, incapacitated, unconscious or legally incapable of consent.

 

Child abuse is any act or failure to act on the part of a parent or caretaker which results in death, serious physical or emotional harm, sexual abuse or exploitation of a child who is under the age of 18 or not an emancipated minor, or any act or failure to act which presents an imminent risk of such harm to such a child.

 

This policy covers acts of child abuse, domestic violence and sexual assault (together, “Covered Act”) as defined above.

 

 

All the arbitrators had to do was find even one transgression of the incredibly broad definitions above in the entire sordid affair to uphold any part of the suspension.

 

To be clear, Bauer's conduct falls under the following:

 

Sexual assault refers to a range of behaviors, including a completed nonconsensual sex act, an attempted nonconsensual sex act, and/or nonconsensual sexual contact. Lack of consent is inferred when a person uses force, harassment, threat of force, threat of adverse personnel or disciplinary action, or other coercion, or when the victim is asleep, incapacitated, unconscious or legally incapable of consent.

 

The necessary element is the absence of consent. This isn't broad, but a specific required element.

[Laika]

Shut the f*** up!

[Laika]

Yes, exactly! Which makes the PR of Osuna signing even worse, or should have anyway.

 

But Osuna was a reliever and his whole ordeal was a wayyyyyy smaller story

 

Houston also had some cover baked into the trade since they dealt a weird on field self flagellater / self harmer for Osuna

[John_Havok]

To be clear, Bauer's conduct falls under the following:

 

Sexual assault refers to a range of behaviors, including a completed nonconsensual sex act, an attempted nonconsensual sex act, and/or nonconsensual sexual contact. Lack of consent is inferred when a person uses force, harassment, threat of force, threat of adverse personnel or disciplinary action, or other coercion, or when the victim is asleep, incapacitated, unconscious or legally incapable of consent.

 

The necessary element is the absence of consent. This isn't broad, but a specific required element.

 

Yes that where his alleged acts would likely fall.

[L54]

Trevor Bauer is a 40M/year pitcher easy in this market. Even more if he goes year to year like he always said he would.

 

Someone will sign him, Molly Knight and Jon Heyman will give their opinion, there will be a slight increase in she/her rage on Twitter and after that it’ll be a non story outside of generating clicks.

[L54]

To be clear, Bauer's conduct falls under the following:

 

Sexual assault refers to a range of behaviors, including a completed nonconsensual sex act, an attempted nonconsensual sex act, and/or nonconsensual sexual contact. Lack of consent is inferred when a person uses force, harassment, threat of force, threat of adverse personnel or disciplinary action, or other coercion, or when the victim is asleep, incapacitated, unconscious or legally incapable of consent.

 

The necessary element is the absence of consent. This isn't broad, but a specific required element.

 

You cannot verify this

[John_Havok]

You cannot verify this

 

No you're right, nobody here can. That's just what the complaint alleged so it would be a reasonable inference that his suspension is likely based on that criteria.

[Jimcanuck]

You cannot verify this

 

Arbitrator reviewed the evidence and made the determination that the policy was violated and 194 game suspension was appropriate. That is the best judgement we have in the matter, pending the outcome of the civil cases.

[THANOS]

I'm actually super curious which team bites and signs him.

 

Could Atkins actually put in his earplugs to social discourse and just do it to add fWAR to the rotation?

 

I feel like they would have kept Osuna if the return wasn't good enough for them.

 

It's interesting to discuss who would actually be in on Bauer and ultimately make the offer.

[BTS]

Could Atkins actually put in his earplugs to social discourse and just do it to add fWAR to the rotation?

 

Rogers would fire him for even asking.

[L54]

No you're right, nobody here can. That's just what the complaint alleged so it would be a reasonable inference that his suspension is likely based on that criteria.

 

Arbitrator reviewed the evidence and made the determination that the policy was violated and 194 game suspension was appropriate. That is the best judgement we have in the matter, pending the outcome of the civil cases.

 

Fair

[Ehjays]

Shut the f*** up!

 

Not sure who this was meant for but this would fit well in almost all of the threads

[Brownie19]

Arbitrator reviewed the evidence and made the determination that the policy was violated and 194 game suspension was appropriate. That is the best judgement we have in the matter, pending the outcome of the civil cases.

 

Am I reading it right that he's served 144 game suspension to date and will be reinstated immediately - but will be docked salary for another 50 games (which is where the 194 games came from)?

[Spanky99]

Am I reading it right that he's served 144 game suspension to date and will be reinstated immediately - but will be docked salary for another 50 games (which is where the 194 games came from)?

 

Yes.

[L54]

I'm actually super curious which team bites and signs him.

 

Could Atkins actually put in his earplugs to social discourse and just do it to add fWAR to the rotation?

 

I feel like they would have kept Osuna if the return wasn't good enough for them.

 

It's interesting to discuss who would actually be in on Bauer and ultimately make the offer.

 

For sure it is interesting to discuss

 

Mets, Astros, Rangers, DBacks, Padres, Red Sox all feel like teams who could make a play

[Brownie19]

Yes.

 

If the Arbitrator reviewed the evidence and concluded the suspension served was too harsh (or not necessary), would he have ruled that MLB/Dodgers would have had to pay Bauer his full salary + damages?

[connorp]

The signing team loses a sponsor to the Twitter mob, and some of the extreme casuals. However, if they make a deep playoff run, it more than cancels it out.

 

So it’ll be a hands-on owner that takes it on. Corporations like Rogers and things like that won’t touch it.

[connorp]

Arbitrator reviewed the evidence and made the determination that the policy was violated and 194 game suspension was appropriate. That is the best judgement we have in the matter, pending the outcome of the civil cases.

 

He got absolutely buried by the allegations. Even though they have become questionable to say the least, the allegation is still out there. If he was guilty of all the allegations, maybe he doesn’t get allowed back

[TheHurl]

The signing team loses a sponsor to the Twitter mob, and some of the extreme casuals. However, if they make a deep playoff run, it more than cancels it

 

Of course there is the other factor where the team loses millions of dollars in sponsorship money and does f*** all in the season. The other factor is of course the other players on the team. No of us know how players, coaches feel. Anyway I am getting Moreno notifications...must run

[John_Havok]

If the Arbitrator reviewed the evidence and concluded the suspension served was too harsh (or not necessary), would he have ruled that MLB/Dodgers would have had to pay Bauer his full salary + damages?

 

Technically, it was a panel of 3 arbitrators. 1 chosen by MLB, 1 chosen by the PA and 1 agreed on by both the PA and MLB.

[xposbrad]

I would love Bauer on the team, but I just think Toronto is not going to pursue him. Like other people said, he's going to end up with the Astros or a city that cares about winning more than his baggage.

[Abomination]

The A's or Rays should sign Bauer. They don't have any fans or sponsors to piss off anyway

[John_Havok]

The A's or Rays should sign Bauer. They don't have any fans or sponsors to piss off anyway

 

LOL, would love to see Bauer throwing in Oakland 2023. All they would owe him is the pro-rated league minimum. Even they can afford that.

[Brownie19]

Technically, it was a panel of 3 arbitrators. 1 chosen by MLB, 1 chosen by the PA and 1 agreed on by both the PA and MLB.

 

Right - thanks I haven't followed it that closely. But is what I said true? If they thought Bauer did nothing wrong - could they rule the MLB/Dodgers owe him his salary + damages?

[Dagagad]

The length of that suspension makes this a clear and absolute stay away for me. That’s well more than TWICE than Osuna got, and Osuna beat a woman up in public.

 

That’s a massive suspension and the full story of why he got that suspension is probably gross and disturbing.

 

If we couldn’t keep Osuna, why would we acquire Bauer?

[connorp]

The length of that suspension makes this a clear and absolute stay away for me. That’s well more than TWICE than Osuna got, and Osuna beat a woman up in public.

 

That’s a massive suspension and the full story of why he got that suspension is probably gross and disturbing.

 

Osuna was a small footnote at best in the national news. The allegations against Bauer were disturbing and also front page mainstream news. It was going to be under a microscope, where Osuna wasn’t

[Dagagad]

Osuna was a small footnote at best in the national news. The allegations against Bauer were disturbing and also front page mainstream news. It was going to be under a microscope, where Osuna wasn’t

 

MLB has a process and there is no real reason for them to go easy on guys like Osuna.

[connorp]

I mean, do you really think the decision on how many games he should be suspended just coincidently ended up being time served?

 

It was a decision that made a lot of sense.