Trevor Bauer discussion thread

[connorp]

I'm entitled to my opinion, presumptous or not, and this doesn't change it. There was revolt within Disney staff, and if the WDW operation was disrupted by staff, that comes with a cost. The poltical pushback, questionable since Disney was simply exercising freedom of speech, was not anticipated. It's probably abuse of power to pass laws to punish corporations that express opinions politicians disagree with.

 

End of the day, Florida ends up paying Disney damages.

 

No Jim. There was no revolt they would’ve happened. A simple statement disagreeing with the law would’ve been enough for normal people. They expect companies to be companies just like you do.

 

Disney did what they did for the same reason the NBA/MLB did what they did with AS games. It was not for financial benefit, or fear of financial loss, it was to be woke. They thought that was the right thing to do.

 

I think they tried doing the same thing with the NBA again. Same woke activists complaining something about Utah law. The NBA Commish shot it down this time and was like “we can’t be moving games all over the place for this reason or that reason, there’s always something” … that’s a fair recap I think. Anyways, after this Disney debacle, I think you’ll see more of a shift to more neutral positions by corporations. The move by Florida, while I agree is a legal stretch, is actually popular with people in Florida. So they clearly catered to the small minority

[connorp]

When I first read about it, I thought he was a very sick puppy. Punching some girl in the vagina, raped her in the butt while passed out, fractured her skull etc… it was basically presented as facts and that formed peoples opinions…but all of those points are highly contested as far as if it happened…so idk.. the rough sex would be a lot easier to look past if those kind of things are left out

 

I mean if it’s closer to Bauer’s version where she left with a split lip, how is a split lip during rough sex worse than some of these other 20 game suspensions for a split lip from DV?

 

Same goes for him choking girls during sex. Pretty sure some of those DV cases involved real choking. Either there’s a bombshell coming Bill Cosby style, or it’s getting reversed

[Jimcanuck]

No Jim. There was no revolt they would’ve happened. A simple statement disagreeing with the law would’ve been enough for normal people. They expect companies to be companies just like you do.

 

Disney did what they did for the same reason the NBA/MLB did what they did with AS games. It was not for financial benefit, or fear of financial loss, it was to be woke. They thought that was the right thing to do.

 

I think they tried doing the same thing with the NBA again. Same woke activists complaining something about Utah law. The NBA Commish shot it down this time and was like “we can’t be moving games all over the place for this reason or that reason, there’s always something” … that’s a fair recap I think. Anyways, after this Disney debacle, I think you’ll see more of a shift to more neutral positions by corporations. The move by Florida, while I agree is a legal stretch, is actually popular with people in Florida. So they clearly catered to the small minority

 

There have been labour disruptions by staff in the past few years that cost WDW money. Again, they wanted to avoid further losses but what they didn't anticipate is Florida punishing them for expressing their free speech opinion on the proposed law. Which Florida will end up paying for, big time.

 

Employee pressure was a factor in compelling Disney to speak out publicly on the Florida law. Leslie Gaines-Ross, chief reputation strategist at global marketing and communications firm Weber Shandwick, said that while Disney is facing a backlash now from the right, it would have been greater had Disney continued to stay mum on the Florida law

Edited April 30, 2022 by Jimcanuck

[Deadpool]

ConnorP example of Disney choosing woke is just the most recent, which on the surface could become prohibitively costly for them just on the tax implications alone, without even considering the impact on the customer base.

 

It actually has no chance of costing them additional money, the issue will be that if Florida continues on its stupid (and wildly illegal) plan would be that Florida taxpayers end up on the hook for a billion dollar debt + taking over all of the servicing for the area around the Disney park (which will end up costing the taxpayers of Florida hundreds of millions of dollars a year).

 

But even *IF* they had to eat that billion dollars, it still would make business sense for Disney to be more inclusive as a company, since their customer base (and the world in general) is rapidly becoming more inclusive on the whole. The smart business decision for Disney is to do things that are popular with the majority of their customers, which in 2022 is, to use a trite and stupid expression, "going woke".

 

A billion dollars (which, again, they will not be paying) is toilet paper to Disney.

[Jimcanuck]

I mean if it’s closer to Bauer’s version where she left with a split lip, how is a split lip during rough sex worse than some of these other 20 game suspensions for a split lip from DV?

 

Same goes for him choking girls during sex. Pretty sure some of those DV cases involved real choking. Either there’s a bombshell coming Bill Cosby style, or it’s getting reversed

 

Ridiculous take. MLB fully expects a lawsuit from Bauer. They wouldn't do what they did unless there is evidence to support the action taken, yes evidence that makes other isolated incidents very minor in comparison.

 

Choking someone unconscious is quite dangerous, you know.

[connorp]

Ridiculous take. MLB fully expects a lawsuit from Bauer. They wouldn't do what they did unless there is evidence to support the action taken, yes evidence that makes other isolated incidents very minor in comparison.

 

Choking someone unconscious is quite dangerous, you know.

 

I can’t fault your logic but we’ll see. All I can say is that at the face of it, it looks completely out of whack. The suspension. I think anyone objective can see that. So we’re just left with your logic that there has to be a treasure trove of other stuff. I’m not saying that isn’t possible. I also think it’s possible they just way overstepped and it gets slashed in half, or more

[connorp]

What’s TB worth in fantasy? I mean, possible Queen is right and he never plays again. If I send Dinger like an Alex Cobb for TB offer, is that egregious?

[Jimcanuck]

What’s TB worth in fantasy? I mean, possible Queen is right and he never plays again. If I send Dinger like an Alex Cobb for TB offer, is that egregious?

 

Ah, and here's the truth. Everything you posted was about you.

 

TB is worth about as much as Felipe Vasquez.

[connorp]

Ah, and here's the truth. Everything you posted was about you.

 

TB is worth about as much as Felipe Vasquez.

 

Offer is sent. We’ll see how Dinger feels about it

[Jimcanuck]

So Cosby got his jollies using drugs, Bauer got his by choking his victims unconscious.

[Deadpool]

So Cosby got his jollies using drugs, Bauer got his by choking his victims unconscious.

 

Back when he was a standup comedian, he had a routine about drugging women with Spanish Fly. He wasn't super subtle.

[L54]

Some of what Jim wrote is correct here, except the absolutist statement at the end that is so presumptuously written. "a business will not make a decision that goes against that maintaining and expanding objective. end of story, nothing else matters."

 

Pompous statements like these that you constantly revert too in many of your posts/arguments are why you are labeled as the board "pretend know it all". The business world is littered with examples of terrible decisions by leaders/CEOs that have had crippling financial implications. To attempt to frame this otherwise under the guise of "you think you know better than a CEOs?" is nonsensical.

 

ConnorP example of Disney choosing woke is just the most recent, which on the surface could become prohibitively costly for them just on the tax implications alone, without even considering the impact on the customer base.

 

I have no doubt your attempted retort will just further entrench your position on this, while also reaffirming your superior intelligence to all of us though...

 

Wow, rekt

[L54]

Not to get too off topic, but I wish the politics thread still existed just so we could go back and look at how Jim was crucifying Trump for Russian collusion.

 

*DISCLAIMER*: I DO NOT WISH TO DISCUSS POLITICS. I AM USING THE ABOVE EXAMPLE TO ILLUSTRATE HOW JIM HAS BEEN WRONG BEFORE WHEN TALKING IN ABSOLUTES

[Laika]

What’s TB worth in fantasy? I mean, possible Queen is right and he never plays again. If I send Dinger like an Alex Cobb for TB offer, is that egregious?

 

Bauer is worth close to nothing now. I would not trade a 1st round pick for him. Maybe a 2nd round pick.

[Laika]

Not to get too off topic, but I wish the politics thread still existed just so we could go back and look at how Jim was crucifying Trump for Russian collusion.

 

*DISCLAIMER*: I DO NOT WISH TO DISCUSS POLITICS. I AM USING THE ABOVE EXAMPLE TO ILLUSTRATE HOW JIM HAS BEEN WRONG BEFORE WHEN TALKING IN ABSOLUTES

 

This is Jimbo's greatest flaw.

[L54]

This is Jimbo's greatest flaw.

 

Ya Maahface was dead on. Very good post.

 

I guess once you become the Concrete King it goes to your head

[Carlos Danger]

It actually has no chance of costing them additional money, the issue will be that if Florida continues on its stupid (and wildly illegal) plan would be that Florida taxpayers end up on the hook for a billion dollar debt + taking over all of the servicing for the area around the Disney park (which will end up costing the taxpayers of Florida hundreds of millions of dollars a year).

 

But even *IF* they had to eat that billion dollars, it still would make business sense for Disney to be more inclusive as a company, since their customer base (and the world in general) is rapidly becoming more inclusive on the whole. The smart business decision for Disney is to do things that are popular with the majority of their customers, which in 2022 is, to use a trite and stupid expression, "going woke".

 

A billion dollars (which, again, they will not be paying) is toilet paper to Disney.

 

Totally false assertions in the whole post. As usual false and inaccurate information from my favorite Marvel character.

 

There is no tax liability for tax payers, fake news. It was a small but vocal minority of Disney employees. There is false and inaccurate information about the law. There was also communication from the Disney employees who state they represent the silent majority of Disney employees who do NOT want Disney to take such positions.

 

The majority of Florida parents across all socio-economic, facial and ethnic spectrums support the law. Disney's stock is down big time and they are feeling the pressure.

 

I am a Florida resident who lived just over an hour from Disney World a large part y of my adult life. I am very familiar with Disney and Florida politics.

[connorp]

Bauer is worth close to nothing now. I would not trade a 1st round pick for him. Maybe a 2nd round pick.

 

So for a win-now team, Cobb sounds about right.

[Laika]

So for a win-now team, Cobb sounds about right.

 

Yeah

[Jimcanuck]

Not to get too off topic, but I wish the politics thread still existed just so we could go back and look at how Jim was crucifying Trump for Russian collusion.

 

*DISCLAIMER*: I DO NOT WISH TO DISCUSS POLITICS. I AM USING THE ABOVE EXAMPLE TO ILLUSTRATE HOW JIM HAS BEEN WRONG BEFORE WHEN TALKING IN ABSOLUTES

 

If you remember, I never said Trump colluded with Russia. I challenged you guys many times to show the posts, and you couldn't.

 

All I did was report on the status of the investigation.

 

By the way, if you look through this thread, you will find the same thing. Never once did I say he is guilty. On the other hand, you and several others were absolute that the girl was just trying to get paid.

[Jimcanuck]

Totally false assertions in the whole post. As usual false and inaccurate information from my favorite Marvel character.

 

There is no tax liability for tax payers, fake news. It was a small but vocal minority of Disney employees. There is false and inaccurate information about the law. There was also communication from the Disney employees who state they represent the silent majority of Disney employees who do NOT want Disney to take such positions.

 

The majority of Florida parents across all socio-economic, facial and ethnic spectrums support the law. Disney's stock is down big time and they are feeling the pressure.

 

I am a Florida resident who lived just over an hour from Disney World a large part y of my adult life. I am very familiar with Disney and Florida politics.

 

Sorry mate, but the taxes you pay and I know Florida has no income tax, only sales, are going to be used to pay Disney for damages, big time.

[Deadpool]

Totally false assertions in the whole post. As usual false and inaccurate information from my favorite Marvel character.

 

There is no tax liability for tax payers, fake news. It was a small but vocal minority of Disney employees. There is false and inaccurate information about the law. There was also communication from the Disney employees who state they represent the silent majority of Disney employees who do NOT want Disney to take such positions.

 

The majority of Florida parents across all socio-economic, facial and ethnic spectrums support the law. Disney's stock is down big time and they are feeling the pressure.

 

I am a Florida resident who lived just over an hour from Disney World a large part y of my adult life. I am very familiar with Disney and Florida politics.

 

As usual, Carlos Danger is factually incorrect., but I guess I'll just let the Orange County Tax Collector expand on why:

 

[connorp]

As usual, Carlos Danger is factually incorrect., but I guess I'll just let the Orange County Tax Collector expand on why:

 

 

It seems everyone, the vast majority at least, trust Desantis to figure it out. It will likely mean taxing Disney more if it goes all the way. He won’t make it an unpopular final solution

[Deadpool]

It seems everyone, the vast majority at least, trust Desantis to figure it out. It will likely mean taxing Disney more if it goes all the way. He won’t make it an unpopular final solution

 

Yes, it's an absolutely brilliant political move to take on the largest employer in your state who can afford lawyers that charge more per hour than you make in a month. DeSantis is clearly a strategic mastermind.

[connorp]

Yes, it's an absolutely brilliant political move to take on the largest employer in your state who can afford lawyers that charge more per hour than you make in a month. DeSantis is clearly a strategic mastermind.

 

Yours and my personal opinions on it don’t equal a penny. The objective barometer is the polls and his moves are very popular… much to to dismay of certain ppl

[connorp]

If Trump wasn’t there splitting the votes, honestly the moves would likely put him in the White House

[Terminator]

Wow for a board that doesn’t talk politics it’s getting awfully political in here!

[L54]

Yes, it's an absolutely brilliant political move to take on the largest employer in your state who can afford lawyers that charge more per hour than you make in a month. DeSantis is clearly a strategic mastermind.

 

Please delete your politically charged post as per board rules

[Deadpool]

Please delete your politically charged post as per board rules

 

No.

[Terminator]

I get that this thread will touch on politics as it pertains to the current culture and Trevor Bauer. But we’ve veered off topic here and Jim and Deadpool’s corporate shilling and open support for a mega corp like Disney receiving special tax treatment is against the rules!

 

Let’s get back on topic here. Laika is right, Bauer is a dummy for donkey punching the Padres’ town bike.