Trade Deadline Rumors and Discussion Thread 2021

[TwistedLogic]

I would be willing to part with a top prospect + whatever is needed if we could get Bryant (with an extension).

 

I would not tunnel in on Kris Bryant right now, especially if it requires significant assets. Sure if you can get him cheap on a rental you do that to contend this year but anything long-term right now doesn't make sense because there will be countless possibilities in free agency this year.

 

Maybe Arenado opts out and you go in on him. Maybe Springer sells Correa on coming to the Jays and they move their infield around to accommodate that.

 

Maybe they sign Castellanos, move Springer to left and bring Martin up for CF and they trade Gurriel, Grichuk or Biggio for a 3B that isn't a turnstile on defense.

 

Maybe Moreno gets enough reps at 3B by the end of the season that he looks like he can play there and suddenly you're going into 2022 with him.

 

Best free agent class of all time. Lots of promising prospects in the system that can emerge between now and then. Literally countless possibilities.

[Dummbo]

Not sure if that trolling closetag reference was aimed at me. I'm not trolling.

 

I'm just saying, going all-in and trading Bichette is not a make or break gamble. I would be for doing it, at a good price.

 

And about 500. We are a 500 team. 6 over in mid may, since then 20-22. That's not exactly a positive slope.

[G-Snarls]

Not sure if that trolling closetag reference was aimed at me. I'm not trolling.

 

I'm just saying, going all-in and trading Bichette is not a make or break gamble. I would be for doing it, at a good price.

 

And about 500. We are a 500 team. 6 over in mid may, since then 20-22. That's not exactly a positive slope.

 

Depends where you draw the line

 

Since June 18 the Jays chances of making the post season have increased from 24% to 44%

 

And I just don't think trading Bichette now makes sense

[Krylian]

OK. I've completed my assessment. Dummbo has selected the correct name.

[max silver]

Not sure if that trolling closetag reference was aimed at me. I'm not trolling.

 

I'm just saying, going all-in and trading Bichette is not a make or break gamble. I would be for doing it, at a good price.

 

And about 500. We are a 500 team. 6 over in mid may, since then 20-22. That's not exactly a positive slope.

 

This is the club's first year in the current competitive cycle. Why in the world should they be trading a franchise player now? That is just unbelievable stupid. The work that remains is to continue to build up the pitching staff, with the bullpen in particular needing to be addressed.

 

What is this .500 team garbage that you are spouting? They are several games over .500 at the midway point of the season, and achieved this despite missing their best outfielder and almost an entire back end of the bullpen for the year as well. Once they get a few good bullpen arms back and add some reinforcements at the deadline this is going to be a deep team poised to go on a run. And if they don't make the playoffs this year they can reassess in the offseason and continue to build up the major league squad.

[TwistedLogic]

Depends where you draw the line

 

Since June 18 the Jays chances of making the post season have increased from 24% to 44%

 

And I just don't think trading Bichette now makes sense

 

Come on, man. If you get the chance to trade a potential franchise cornerstone 23 year old All-Star shortstop with 4.5 years of control for two middle relievers and a journeyman like John McDonald, you do it. You don't even think about it, you just do it.

 

It's very likely that you may never get a godfather offer like that again so you have to jump on it if you get the chance.

[Dummbo]

I actually do have to apologize, because I realize now that when I originally posted on this forum, it was WAY out of context. I had been reading posts on a completely different site, regarding what to do IF the Jays were to take a run at it this year.

 

That said, I completely agree that nothing brash should be done at all, as we're still a year or maybe two away from a serious run.

 

My bad everyone

[5minutesforframing]

I actually do have to apologize, because I realize now that when I originally posted on this forum, it was WAY out of context. I had been reading posts on a completely different site, regarding what to do IF the Jays were to take a run at it this year.

 

That said, I completely agree that nothing brash should be done at all, as we're still a year or maybe two away from a serious run.

 

My bad everyone

 

So if the Jays "were to make a run" this year, you think the best approach would be to trade Bichette for two relievers and a journeyman middle infielder?

[TwistedLogic]

I actually do have to apologize, because I realize now that when I originally posted on this forum, it was WAY out of context. I had been reading posts on a completely different site, regarding what to do IF the Jays were to take a run at it this year.

 

That said, I completely agree that nothing brash should be done at all, as we're still a year or maybe two away from a serious run.

 

My bad everyone

 

Ah, that makes a lot more sense. Given the context of going all-in this year, I'd much rather have a package of talent resembling something like Rafael Dolis, Tyler Chatwood and Joe Panik than an All-Star shortstop with 2.6 WAR in a half season of games.

[King]

Bichette is great, and it would hurt to lose him.. But his bat and "image" are what some teams would kill to acquire.

Defensively? That's not what he's expected to bring, and we'd be fine losing him on that end, especially if it meant getting a pair of middle relievers and a journeyman in the vein of MacDonald

Wtf

[Dummbo]

To be specific, some people had the belief that packing up Biggio in a deal, would somehow be a solution. My feeling was that wouldn't bring enough back, and hence needed to take a chance moving Bichette

[King]

Strong name to post content ratio

[TwistedLogic]

To be specific, some people had the belief that packing up Biggio in a deal, would somehow be a solution. My feeling was that wouldn't bring enough back, and hence needed to take a chance moving Bichette

 

You're right on the money, my friend. Biggio alone probably doesn't get you the quality veteran presence and middle-of-the-road bullpen arms you need to compete for a championship. After all, that would be three players for one and Biggio isn't even a major leaguer according to renowned baseball expert Keith Law.

 

It makes sense to shift the infield around and trade Bichette in that context.

[mellowgold]

I wonder if we could get Aaron Loup back for Bichette. Guy's actually having a pretty good year haha

[TwistedLogic]

If you ask me, I've felt like this team has had a hole in its heart ever since they traded the father of the team in Joe Panik. To be frank, it's probably why they've lost so many games since committing the senseless tragedy of trading him.

 

To be frank, you need a quality journeyman like John McDonald with veteran leadership if you want to win and the Jays got rid of the only guy they had that fit the bill, to be frank.

 

If you ask me, maybe the team thought the trade was necessary after Ross Stripling utterly humiliated Panik in front of a national TV audience but if you ask me, Stripling is the one that should have been traded.

 

To be perfectly frank, Ross Stripling is likely a cancer. If you ask me, they should offer to trade him to the Angels for Drew Butera. To be frank, Butera would be a good get because he can be a backup catcher to teach the young guys how to play the game the right way. If you ask me, the fact that he's 37 years old and has played for five different teams tells me he will automatically bring a lot of veteran presents to the table and can help get this team back on track. As a bonus, Butera has been a negative WAR player 9 times in his 12 year career, which means he is against war and most likely makes love not war because what is war even good for absolutely nothing. If you ask me, war is bad and we should strive for peace. But I'm just being frank.

[Laika]

I wonder if we could get Aaron Loup back for Bichette. Guy's actually having a pretty good year haha

 

The Mets have many Blue Jays that flew away. Many fine feathers over there. Loupy, Pillar, McKinney, Sean Foley, Stro Show, Tyler Walker, Villar, Yennsy Diaz, Miguel Castro, and Brandon Drury who always played his tail off here. Also of course Thor on the IL.

 

And their new shortstop Francisco Lindor is not hitting very well.

 

I wonder if Toronto could get some heart and soul back by trading Bichette to the New York Mets?

 

Loup + Castro + Foley fixes the entire bullpen in one move

[mellowgold]

The Mets have many Blue Jays that flew away. Many fine feathers over there. Loupy, Pillar, McKinney, Sean Foley, Stro Show, Tyler Walker, Villar, Yennsy Diaz, Miguel Castro, and Brandon Drury who always played his tail off here. Also of course Thor on the IL.

 

And their new shortstop Francisco Lindor is not hitting very well.

 

I wonder if Toronto could get some heart and soul back by trading Bichette to the New York Mets?

 

Loup + Castro + Foley fixes the entire bullpen in one move

 

That sounds like a first-place team right there...

[wilko]

If you ask me, I've felt like this team has had a hole in its heart ever since they traded the father of the team in Joe Panik. To be frank, it's probably why they've lost so many games since committing the senseless tragedy of trading him.

 

To be frank, you need a quality journeyman like John McDonald with veteran leadership if you want to win and the Jays got rid of the only guy they had that fit the bill, to be frank.

 

If you ask me, maybe the team thought the trade was necessary after Ross Stripling utterly humiliated Panik in front of a national TV audience but if you ask me, Stripling is the one that should have been traded.

 

To be perfectly frank, Ross Stripling is likely a cancer. If you ask me, they should offer to trade him to the Angels for Drew Butera. To be frank, Butera would be a good get because he can be a backup catcher to teach the young guys how to play the game the right way. If you ask me, the fact that he's 37 years old and has played for five different teams tells me he will automatically bring a lot of veteran presents to the table and can help get this team back on track. As a bonus, Butera has been a negative WAR player 9 times in his 12 year career, which means he is against war and most likely makes love not war because what is war even good for absolutely nothing. If you ask me, war is bad and we should strive for peace. But I'm just being frank.

 

I heard Francisco Cordero is making a comeback. Should the Jays try to catch lightning in a bottle for the 2nd time with him!?

[Deadpool]

Guys, hear me out on this and I know this is will be an unpopular opinion but I *DON'T* think we should trade our young, controllable, fantastic, dynamic, telegenic shortstop who sometimes makes poor defensive plays (but still grades out as about an average defender at short), even if the return is 3 players that you could probably get on minor league deals in the off-season.

[Laika]

[gruber92]

I actually do have to apologize, because I realize now that when I originally posted on this forum, it was WAY out of context. I had been reading posts on a completely different site, regarding what to do IF the Jays were to take a run at it this year.

 

That said, I completely agree that nothing brash should be done at all, as we're still a year or maybe two away from a serious run.

 

My bad everyone

 

Lol

[gruber92]

I think Shatkins should shop one of Jansen/McGuire for a high leverage pen arm with some control left.

 

Maybe to the Pirates for Richard Rodriguez? He turned 31 this year but has a good 3-4 years left and is entering arb1 status after this season.

 

The Pirates aren't getting anything from their catchers.

[Olerud363]

 

The 75 IQ guys know that their cousin Eddie, played a hell of a short stop, and could wallop the ball, and would throw one away and hit a barn once a week, but that didn't matter too much since he could wallop the ball. The 75 IQ guys have folksy instinctive intelligence.

 

The 100 IQ guys get too fancy and think of stupid trades.

 

the 140+ IQ guys know analytics and scouting in detail (not just quotes from BA, or fangraphs summaries, but really know their stuff) and wouldn't trade Bo.

[InsideThePark]

This is the club's first year in the current competitive cycle. Why in the world should they be trading a franchise player now? That is just unbelievable stupid. The work that remains is to continue to build up the pitching staff, with the bullpen in particular needing to be addressed.

 

What is this .500 team garbage that you are spouting? They are several games over .500 at the midway point of the season, and achieved this despite missing their best outfielder and almost an entire back end of the bullpen for the year as well. Once they get a few good bullpen arms back and add some reinforcements at the deadline this is going to be a deep team poised to go on a run. And if they don't make the playoffs this year they can reassess in the offseason and continue to build up the major league squad.

 

Yeah but have you considered what if they could get those pen reinforcements by trading Bichette? Especially if it brings back John McDonald. Not someone like him, the actual John McDonald. He's only 46 and been retired for 6 years. It could work.

[Jimcanuck]

I'm on board with it. Groshans will be up next season, elite replacement of Bo.

[connorp]

I'm on board with it. Groshans will be up next season, elite replacement of Bo.

 

I figured you owned him in at least one league. Checked for shits and giggles

[Spanky99]

I would be willing to part with a top prospect + whatever is needed if we could get Bryant (with an extension). I must admit though i didnt realise he had an absolutely awful June at the plate.

 

However if he makes it clear he wants to test free agency then I would avoid and look elsewhere.

 

He's going to FA... he's still pissed he was messed with for service time.

[Spanky99]

Come on, man. If you get the chance to trade a potential franchise cornerstone 23 year old All-Star shortstop with 4.5 years of control for two middle relievers and a journeyman like John McDonald, you do it. You don't even think about it, you just do it.

 

It's very likely that you may never get a godfather offer like that again so you have to jump on it if you get the chance.

 

Plesac isn't even a mid-reliever... Anyhow, lol. Good post.

[Spanky99]

 

Oh s***... lol

[Spanky99]

Okay, that was fun, this forum rocks!