GDT (4/4) | Blue Jays (33-30) @ Red Sox (39-27) | June 14 — 7:10 PM

[Brownie19]

Just finished watching yet another disappointing late inning loss. You really can't say enough good things about Vladdy, this is the most amazing run I've witnessed at the plate from any Blue Jays player since I started watching decades ago. Something really needs to be done with this bullpen though. Dolis has been pretty damn shaky for the most part and it's time to move him down the pecking order. The club looks to have a very good reliever in Castro, and it's time to give him a chance in leverage situations to see what he can do. Aside from Romano and maybe Mayza against lefties, Castro is the only guy that can reliably get outs right now. I really didn't agree with not using Romano against the top of the order, bringing in a guy with a 5+ ERA against the top of the order with zero margin for error is just asking for trouble. I got serious shades of the 2016 wild card game when Britton was left to rot in the bullpen for a situation that never came.

 

Dude - there's an article like 3 posts above that explains the math and probability. The ghost runner 10th inning rule has changed the approach. The reality is you probably don't disagree with it because you have recency bias because it failed last night. I suspect that if Romano pitched a clean 9th and we lost in the 10th with Dolis on the mound, a large majority of fans would bitch about that decision too (and maybe rightfully so, as the numbers suggest you need a lights out guy for the 10th inning).

[G-Snarls]

Since the ghost runner on 2B started - how many times vs the past does the game end in the 10th inning? I'm sure it's WAY more often.

[max silver]

Dude - there's an article like 3 posts above that explains the math and probability. The ghost runner 10th inning rule has changed the approach. The reality is you probably don't disagree with it because you have recency bias because it failed last night. I suspect that if Romano pitched a clean 9th and we lost in the 10th with Dolis on the mound, a large majority of fans would bitch about that decision too (and maybe rightfully so, as the numbers suggest you need a lights out guy for the 10th inning).

 

I would have much rather had the game actually make it to the 10th rather than losing in the 9th. Had the bottom of the Red Sox lineup been coming up in the 9th then I would have zero issues with bringing in anybody other than Romano or Castro. The Jays have a fantastic offence and would have had a great chance to score themselves in the 10th inning, but they never got the shot after an unreliable reliever unsurprisingly failed to shut down the Red Sox in the 9th.

[Spanky99]

Dude - there's an article like 3 posts above that explains the math and probability. The ghost runner 10th inning rule has changed the approach. The reality is you probably don't disagree with it because you have recency bias because it failed last night. I suspect that if Romano pitched a clean 9th and we lost in the 10th with Dolis on the mound, a large majority of fans would bitch about that decision too (and maybe rightfully so, as the numbers suggest you need a lights out guy for the 10th inning).

 

When you have one option against the top of the order you do it, imo. I'd rather see Romano take down the top of the order, and give it another go with our bats in the 10th, both teams get the man at 2nd bro. It might've been pick your poison, but the Jays get a chance to put up a few runs in the 10th. Either way, that bottom half was gross as soon as Biggio booted the GB, we were f***ed.

[Spanky99]

I would have much rather had the game actually make it to the 10th rather than losing in the 9th. Had the bottom of the Red Sox lineup been coming up in the 9th then I would have zero issues with bringing in anybody other than Romano or Castro. The Jays have a fantastic offence and would have had a great chance to score themselves in the 10th inning, but they never got the shot after an unreliable reliever unsurprisingly failed to shut down the Red Sox in the 9th.

 

To be fair, that E-5 had to be made. I share your view, if we had better options it's much different.

[max silver]

When you have one option against the top of the order you do it, imo. I'd rather see Romano take down the top of the order, and give it another go with our bats in the 10th, both teams get the man at 2nd bro. It might've been pick your poison, but the Jays get a chance to put up a few runs in the 10th. Either way, that bottom half was gross as soon as Biggio booted the GB, we were f***ed.

 

If Romano got through the 9th in decent shape pitch count wise you could always bring him into to pitch to a few more batters in the 10th as well. But I have to agree, once Biggio didn't make the play the game I had the feeling of dread that this was the beginning of the end. Semien likely would have made that play easily if Biggio let the ball go through to him.

[Brownie19]

I would have much rather had the game actually make it to the 10th rather than losing in the 9th. Had the bottom of the Red Sox lineup been coming up in the 9th then I would have zero issues with bringing in anybody other than Romano or Castro. The Jays have a fantastic offence and would have had a great chance to score themselves in the 10th inning, but they never got the shot after an unreliable reliever unsurprisingly failed to shut down the Red Sox in the 9th.

 

The hitters due up is a decent argument - but the statistics apparently suggest that over the long run, this strategy is best one. The goal is to win the game - not extend it.

[Spanky99]

The hitters due up is a decent argument - but the statistics apparently suggest that over the long run, this strategy is best one. The goal is to win the game - not extend it.

 

I don't think anyone sees anything wrong with that article statistically, we really only had one good reliever(Romano) against the top of their order, it's a different scenario, we need BP help ASAP.

[thatoneguy]

This bullpen is simply not playoff calibre. Going to run us into the ground if it continues for much longer.

[Spanky99]