GDT (4/4) | Blue Jays (33-30) @ Red Sox (39-27) | June 14 — 7:10 PM

[BCZ]

 

LOL. Thanks, that cheered me up.

[Spanky99]

I need to watch the video again, but I think he was playing further to the left side of the diamond than where a 2B regularly plays.

 

A little to the left, he flat out booted it, same as Bo Friday, our manager doesn't help.

[BCZ]

LOL. Thanks, that cheered me up.

 

Fack for some reason feel compelled to watch Titanic and cry some rivers now... the hurt is real gents (yes I'm replying to myself)

[Laika]

So. The product on the field does not agree

 

Your projections are retarded

 

Try to be less stupid next time you log in

[bones10]

A little to the left, he flat out booted it, same as Bo Friday, our manager doesn't help.

 

Why is panik rostered over espinal, one can play third one can't. Biggio and Panik are both lefties anyway not like theyre platooning the two.

[Spanky99]

Dolis is probably their second best projected reliever. Like it or not.

 

NVM... I'm dumn.

[bronson44]

Are there any affordable stop gap options at 3B that could be available at the deadline?

 

Adam Frazier and Richard Rodriguez for Espinal, Otto Lopez and someone else

[ShowtimeBelli]

Montoyo didn't just confirm that Romano was available, he even doubled down on his clownery and said that he'd have pitched if the jays took the lead because that's what closers are for. I just can't anymore with this guy

[Laika]

Castro is, well, out of who's healthy.

 

https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=rel&lg=all&qual=0&type=8&season=2021&month=0&season1=2021&ind=0&team=14&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&startdate=&enddate=

 

That's year to date, not projections

[Spanky99]

Why is panik rostered over espinal, one can play third one can't. Biggio and Panik are both lefties anyway not like theyre platooning the two.

 

Biggio>>>> Panik/Espinal.

[Scion]

I actually LIKE that Buntoyo isn't quickly favoring Castro to Dolis. That would be dumb. Castro has like ten effective MLB innings under his belt. Dolis was a stud last year and has better projections.

 

To be fair Dolis doesn't have an extended track record himself. He was kind of good last year in 24 innings, albeit with serious control problems and has been objectively poor in almost the same sample this year.

[Spanky99]

That's year to date, not projections

 

Yes I edit my post, lol.

 

Slim pickings, it's Mayza...

 

https://www.fangraphs.com/projections.aspx?pos=all&stats=pit&type=steamerr&team=14&lg=all&players=0

[bones10]

Biggio>>>> Panik/Espinal.

 

Defensively? nah, but I guess you wouldn't make a defensive sub in that situation anyway.

[ShowtimeBelli]

The fact that we even have to have this debate so much says it all.

[Scion]

Adam Frazier and Richard Rodriguez for Espinal, Otto Lopez and someone else

 

I've read Frazier's name thrown out a bit in rumors. Is he any good defensively?

[Daniel Labude]

Try to be less stupid next time you log in

 

Projections only go so far. Sometime you need to step into the real world

[ShowtimeBelli]

NVM... I'm dumn.

 

I liked your original post better. Now I gotta remove the thanks

[Laika]

To be fair Dolis doesn't have an extended track record himself. He was kind of good last year in 24 innings, albeit with serious control problems and has been objectively poor in almost the same sample this year.

 

His elite stats overseas matter quite a bit and show up in the Steamer and ZiPS projections.

[bones10]

Try to be less stupid next time you log in

 

Even if your projections turn out right in that Castro is the worse move over Dolis I almost guarantee its not the reason is using Dolis in that situation. It's strictly a seniority thing and if the projections were reversed it wouldn't matter.

[Laika]

Even if your projections turn out right in that Castro is the worse move over Dolis I almost guarantee its not the reason is using Dolis in that situation. It's strictly a seniority thing and if the projections were reversed it wouldn't matter.

 

I don't think that's strictly true. The team has been pretty quick to give guys like Merryweather and Romano high leverage roles because they were performing with great stuff that "projects" well. Castro is just kind of getting results. Eye test says replacement level reliever, to me. Dolis actually has a closer type out pitch.

 

Basically, for Castro to have better projections he would need a REASON for them. Wicked s***, a couple seasons of v good MLB performance, etc.

[Daniel Labude]

I don't think that's strictly true. The team has been pretty quick to give guys like Merryweather and Romano high leverage roles because they were performing with great stuff that "projects" well. Castro is just kind of getting results. Eye test says replacement level reliever, to me. Dolis actually has a closer type out pitch.

 

Castro >>>>> Dolis

[Laika]

Castro >>>>> Dolis

 

Yeah you already expressed this opinion. You might be right but you're probably wrong.

[bones10]

I don't think that's strictly true. The team has been pretty quick to give guys like Merryweather and Romano high leverage roles because they were performing with great stuff that "projects" well. Castro is just kind of getting results. Eye test says replacement level reliever, to me. Dolis actually has a closer type out pitch.

 

Well to that I'd say Merryweather and Romano aren't really comparable because they look like and perform like elite relievers and it would be indefensible to not use them as such . But your mostly right Castro over Dolis is mostly a wash although I personally would have been happier to see Castro blow it considering the recent history Dolis has had against the Red Sox.

[Daniel Labude]

Yeah you already expressed this opinion. You might be right but you're probably wrong.

 

Maybe, but vs the Red Sox im taking Castro and his fastball/slider vs Dolis and his 50 ft split and center cut fastball

[Scion]

His elite stats overseas matter quite a bit and show up in the Steamer and ZiPS projections.

 

That's fair, but at what point do we accept his walk rate of over 5BB/9? From what I understand that stabilizes fairly quickly and puts the entire profile in jeopardy.

[Laika]

That's fair, but at what point do we accept his walk rate of over 5BB/9? From what I understand that stabilizes fairly quickly and puts the entire profile in jeopardy.

 

Yeah it's part of his profile. High walks, but also hard to square up

[bronson44]

Maybe, but vs the Red Sox im taking Castro and his fastball/slider vs Dolis and his 50 ft split and center cut fastball

 

That does seem to be his MO since he's come back from the IL. It sucks because he just started dealing right before he went on it.

[saskjayfan]

I don't think that's strictly true. The team has been pretty quick to give guys like Merryweather and Romano high leverage roles because they were performing with great stuff that "projects" well. Castro is just kind of getting results. Eye test says replacement level reliever, to me. Dolis actually has a closer type out pitch.

 

Basically, for Castro to have better projections he would need a REASON for them. Wicked s***, a couple seasons of v good MLB performance, etc.

 

Castro's fastball has a lot of life. He's averaged 95.2, and the velocity has actually been up even higher the last couple games. His slider has a ton of break. It's been hit and miss at times. He had trouble hanging a few earlier on. I've liked his last several outings, because he's relied more on the fastball. I'm not going to get on Dolis for giving up a run to 4 extremely good hitters, especially with an error. It's not worth debating Castro or Dolis. Given where we were in the lineup, there was only one pitcher for the job and that was Romano. If we were facing the 6th hitter to start the inning, Dolis might have been the right call.

[Daniel Labude]

The biggest issue is...Dolis in high leverage L L L vs the Red Sox. At some point try someone else

[bronson44]

Yeah it was probably a better idea to go with Romano based on where they were in the order. A bit surprising because that's one thing Charlie is pretty decent at.