Blue Jays sign George Springer to a 6 year, $150M deal

[Carlos Danger]

Jays are in a good place whether they miss out on the high priced free agents or not. Shatkins seems to be taking the sustained winning approach, I'm good with it if they decide not to overpay for free agents and reduce future flexibility.

 

They need pitching, barring that they need to smash the s*** out of teams.. There not yet smashers to that extent and they don't have the pitching.

[L54]

The four biggest free agents still haven’t signed, and some people are complaining that they won’t do anything lol.

[Jimcanuck]

They need pitching, barring that they need to smash the s*** out of teams.. There not yet smashers to that extent and they don't have the pitching.

 

A top 5 farm and a slightly better than .500 cost controlled team after the addition of a couple middle tier arms.

 

It's a good place to be.

[Spanky99]

If those numbers are true as to where the Jays and Mets are in terms of their offer, the jays are doing what a lot of fans feared, which is make a bunch of crappy offers with very little chance they'd get accepted.

 

Like how is it a "two team race" when there's a 35 million difference between the two. Most suspect the Jays to be underdogs anyways and then you say we're offering 35 million less?

 

lol... Toronto has the best offer out there, someone has to beat it. Or he takes one year, highly unlikely.

[Spanky99]

They need pitching, barring that they need to smash the s*** out of teams.. There not yet smashers to that extent and they don't have the pitching.

 

And there stuck on adding SP why?

[Carlos Danger]

A top 5 farm and a slightly better than .500 cost controlled team after the addition of a couple middle tier arms.

 

It's a good place to be.

 

That farm doesn't have the pitching, so unless they use that farm to go out and get it, which they very well might, we are in the same spot.

[Jimcanuck]

Anyone seen any reports of Astros being in on Springer. They have Straw and Chas McCormick in their OF top 3 lol

 

Got to figure at 5/115 the 'stros get into the bidding?

[Jimcanuck]

That farm doesn't have the pitching, so unless they use that farm to go out and get it, which they very well might, we are in the same spot.

 

Disagree. Just on the basis of the core, including the young pitching, moving closer to their peak years, the Jays will improve in 2021, not be in same spot. Baseball teams are not static.

 

Callis and Mayo expect SWR to debut in 2021 (Dec 31 article).

[Spanky99]

The chattering class say the Jays were initially willing to go to $125.. or their forecast was $115 to $125.

 

Chattering class... MLBNetwork.

[Spanky99]

Stop it Connor, f***.

[Spanky99]

Anyone seen any reports of Astros being in on Springer. They have Straw and Chas McCormick in their OF top 3 lol

 

Got to figure at 5/115 the 'stros get into the bidding?

 

Houston want all top relievers.

[Farm]

Actually I think we are in a good position...

 

• Would have preferred to have been able to get Kim/Sugano (IMO international market is a good place for surplus value)
  
• Seems like we are bargain hunting (we were the one of the only teams on Sugano and he chose not to come, the offer must have been quite low considering he earned 6M USD last year)
  
• Bargain hunting is actually not inherently bad - none of us want to be saddled with bad contracts, arguably it's the best approach there is
  
• If Mets are now "out of the race" due to luxury tax considerations, that means less competition for us, and a higher likelihood our bargain hunting will be successful
  
• As long as the payroll is there (a big if), even if we are unsuccessful in bargain hunting this year, there will always be opportunities in the future
  
• The question is will there be any opportunities to use that excess payroll room outside of free agency (in NHL/NBA, payroll reducing trades are more common and more obvious), maybe there will be more opportunities given the climate.
  

[saskjayfan]

Disagree. Just on the basis of the core, including the young pitching, moving closer to their peak years, the Jays will improve in 2021, not be in same spot. Baseball teams are not static.

 

Callis and Mayo expect SWR to debut in 2021 (Dec 31 article).

 

SWR isn't pitching for the Jays in 2021.

[Jimcanuck]

SWR isn't pitching for the Jays in 2021.

 

Better let Jim Callis and Jonathon Mayo know.

[saskjayfan]

Better let Jim Callis and Jonathon Mayo know.

 

I'd just place a wager with you, but you don't bet. So I'll just ignore Callis and Mayo and decide you're ridiculous for buying into their ********. He's 20, pitched 28 innings at high A and they are delaying the start of the minor league season.

[Jimcanuck]

I'd just place a wager with you, but you don't bet. So I'll just ignore Callis and Mayo and decide you're ridiculous for buying into their ********.

 

More likely than not, SWR pitches for the Jays at some point in 2021. Do you know how many pitchers a team goes through in a season?

 

Also, Callis and Mayo know far more about prospects and the reports from the 2020 alternate sites than you.

[glory]

I think the good thing about where the Jays are is that they can miss out on the big 4 free agents and it wouldn't be a bad thing. This is not an old team with a small window. This is a team with its best years ahead of them. Letting the market come to them instead of spending foolishly early is going to pay off in one way or another. Maybe it ultimately won't lead to Springer or Bauer, but there are still good to very good players available after those guys that could help the team short term, and the Jays have the advantage of being a team willing to spend.

[max silver]

I think the good thing about where the Jays are is that they can miss out on the big 4 free agents and it wouldn't be a bad thing. This is not an old team with a small window. This is a team with its best years ahead of them. Letting the market come to them instead of spending foolishly early is going to pay off in one way or another. Maybe it ultimately won't lead to Springer or Bauer, but there are still good to very good players available after those guys that could help the team short term, and the Jays have the advantage of being a team willing to spend.

 

I hate the idea of the Jays potentially wasting a year of their good young core while it's still inexpensive. If they keep insisting on making value offers to free agents there is always going to be somebody else willing to offer more money. I'd rather they overpay to some degree on actual impact players then end up having to overpay for marginal quality upgrades instead. Tanner Roark is a perfect example of overpaying for a low quality player, enough of that s***, make the money actually count instead of the possibility of completely wasting it.

[Carlos Danger]

Disagree. Just on the basis of the core, including the young pitching, moving closer to their peak years, the Jays will improve in 2021, not be in same spot. Baseball teams are not static.

 

Callis and Mayo expect SWR to debut in 2021 (Dec 31 article).

 

How much impact do you think he would make? Pearson is elite and barely made a dent... SWR in the big picture is a mid ranked prospect.

[Jays24]

I hate the idea of the Jays potentially wasting a year of their good young core while it's still inexpensive. If they keep insisting on making value offers to free agents there is always going to be somebody else willing to offer more money. I'd rather they overpay to some degree on actual impact players then end up having to overpay for marginal quality upgrades instead. Tanner Roark is a perfect example of overpaying for a low quality player, enough of that s***, make the money actually count instead of the possibility of completely wasting it.

 

Yup, we saw the benefits of slightly overpaying an elite talent like Ryu than scrubs like Roark/Grichuk. It's why I even questioned the money we spent on Ray right away if it meant we'd have 8 million less to use on a more impactful player later on.

[G-Snarls]

I hate the idea of the Jays potentially wasting a year of their good young core while it's still inexpensive. If they keep insisting on making value offers to free agents there is always going to be somebody else willing to offer more money. I'd rather they overpay to some degree on actual impact players then end up having to overpay for marginal quality upgrades instead. Tanner Roark is a perfect example of overpaying for a low quality player, enough of that s***, make the money actually count instead of the possibility of completely wasting it.

 

Agreed. We overpaid for Morales and Roark. Let's overpay for Springer or Bauer or Realmuto instead

 

Let's let the Roalyals keep playing for mediocre/OK players

[L54]

I think SWR has a ton of upside and could’ve jumped his way up prospect lists this year had there been a season. I wouldn’t be surprised to see him in 2021 if there is a somewhat normal season.

[G-Snarls]

Yup, we saw the benefits of slightly overpaying an elite talent like Ryu than scrubs like Roark/Grichuk. It's why I even questioned the money we spent on Ray right away if it meant we'd have 8 million less to use on a more impactful player later on.

 

I like the Ray 1 year 8M deal. Dude has STUFF

 

That could end up providing some real value. And if not it's one year.

[Carlos Danger]

I think SWR has a ton of upside and could’ve jumped his way up prospect lists this year had there been a season. I wouldn’t be surprised to see him in 2021 if there is a somewhat normal season.

 

I agree he will probably debut mid to late 2021... Just questioning his impact for the 2021 season...

[glory]

I hate the idea of the Jays potentially wasting a year of their good young core while it's still inexpensive. If they keep insisting on making value offers to free agents there is always going to be somebody else willing to offer more money. I'd rather they overpay to some degree on actual impact players then end up having to overpay for marginal quality upgrades instead. Tanner Roark is a perfect example of overpaying for a low quality player, enough of that s***, make the money actually count instead of the possibility of completely wasting it.

 

This is a different market. Lots of supply, limited demand. The elite players will get paid, but if the worst case is the Jays get the best of the mid tier, then there’s potential for very good players to be added. Roark and Anderson were bad moves made in a market that was flush with buyers and cash. The same amount of investment in this market should go much further.

 

I want the Jays to get one of the big 4 FA’s, all I’m saying is it’s not the end of the world if they don’t. They can still improve the team significantly elsewhere. How well they do is ultimately going to come down to internal young talent taking the next step.

[max silver]

This is a different market. Lots of supply, limited demand. The elite players will get paid, but if the worst case is the Jays get the best of the mid tier, then there’s potential for very good players to be added. Roark and Anderson were bad moves made in a market that was flush with buyers and cash. The same amount of investment in this market should go much further.

 

I want the Jays to get one of the big 4 FA’s, all I’m saying is it’s not the end of the world if they don’t. They can still improve the team significantly elsewhere. How well they do is ultimately going to come down to internal young talent taking the next step.

 

There is a finite supply of players in key areas of need. The Jays have massive holes in the infield and starting rotation, and with Kim and Lindor off the market gone are two of the top available targets with which to fill that hole. More dire is the starting pitcher market, where arguably 3 of the top 4 available free agents targets in Gausman, Stroman, and Sugano are all gone. The trade market is quickly dwindling as well, with Darvish, Snell and Carrasco all being traded away to other teams. If Jays management continues to slow play the market and stick to their value offers they are eventually going to be left fighting over the scraps.

[glory]

There is a finite supply of players in key areas of need. The Jays have massive holes in the infield and starting rotation, and with Kim and Lindor off the market gone are two of the top available targets with which to fill that hole. More dire is the starting pitcher market, where arguably 3 of the top 4 available free agents targets in Gausman, Stroman, and Sugano are all gone. The trade market is quickly dwindling as well, with Darvish, Snell and Carrasco all being traded away to other teams. If Jays management continues to slow play the market and stick to their value offers they are eventually going to be left fighting over the scraps.

 

That’s my point, I don’t think they’ll be fighting over “scraps” due to the current market conditions. By all accounts they are being super aggressive and have money to spend. If they can’t lure a top end FA, then they likely have a financial advantage in the second tier market. Now, if they miss out on that market as well, then I would agree that’s a problem, but unless the league wide financial concerns are being overblown, I would expect the Jays to be able to land at least 2 good second tier pieces if their Springer/Bauer/DJ/JT plans fail. Hendriks for example falls under the upper end of the second tier/non big 4 market and the Jays seem to have a real shot there.

[Abomination]

We don't need to spend this offseason just because we can. If the right player can't be had, for whatever reason, there's nothing wrong with holding onto our flexibility for the trade deadline or offseason next year.

[Carlos Danger]

We don't need to spend this offseason just because we can. If the right player can't be had, for whatever reason, there's nothing wrong with holding onto our flexibility for the trade deadline or offseason next year.

 

We supposedly have an advantage this offseason which we have never really had compared to other teams. Next, or trade deadline, if all goes back to normal or it looks like it will be and owners have confidence to spend, then we become another fish in the pond. Having said that, if we really think we can get some of the FA's next year, then I wouldn't want to handicap us with moves now. But def think longer we wait, more competition. So bird in the hand vs 2 in the bush?

[Spanky99]

We supposedly have an advantage this offseason which we have never really had compared to other teams. Next, or trade deadline, if all goes back to normal or it looks like it will be and owners have confidence to spend, then we become another fish in the pond. Having said that, if we really think we can get some of the FA's next year, then I wouldn't want to handicap us with moves now. But def think longer we wait, more competition. So bird in the hand vs 2 in the bush?

 

Here's a Quaalude, relax man...