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G-Snarls Cooperstown

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Yeah I don’t like the whole draft lotto format, but if that’s what’s required to stop teams from tanking then so be it.

 

I think it needs to be more than just the top 3 picks though.... maybe top 10? Bottom 10 teams have a random lotto for the first 10 picks?

 

I like the lotto for the NBA

 

Some years there's a Lebron and little else and you don't want teams trying to sink to last place to guarantee they get him

 

In baseball there's usually more to pick from and harder to project who might be a superstar years down the road.

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The system in place discourages tanking to get #1 since the top talent doesn't always go as the # 1 pick. In the NBA, NHL etc, the top talent always goes #1 with very few exceptions. To make a draft lottery as an effective tool against tanking in MLB they'd have to change how the draft works entirely to make tanking useful, and THEN put in a lottery to discourage it.

 

There are any number of years where the teams with the #1 pick takes guys that are NOT the top talent, because they know they can pay them less than slot in order to sign other guys in later rounds above slot. So a draft lottery doesn't impact that at all.

 

Makes no sense.

 

Teams sell players at trade dealines because of 2 reasons. A) they know they aren't making the playoffs so they try to sell any players they can to save money, or B) because they know they're pretty sure they aren't making the playoffs and want to trade any talent they can that will net them assets at lower cost... to save money.

 

The best way to discourage tanking in the MLB is with expanded playoffs and a hard salary floor.

 

There's still advantages to tanking in MLB. Like receiving more pool money.

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Franco will be traded in 2026 for a monster haul.

 

Exactly, Rays have a track record of trading their players when they get expensive. I don't see that changing.

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Can anyone who's been more closely paying attention confirm if there will be a Rule 5 draft and Winter Meetings if there is no CBA deal in place, or will they get postponed indefinitely?
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Look at Wander Franco's deal, this looks so bad.

 

 

Did he negotiate the deal himself?

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I don't see anything majorly wrong with that Franco deal. He might end up leaving some money on the table. But this is a player with half a season in the majors.
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Can anyone who's been more closely paying attention confirm if there will be a Rule 5 draft and Winter Meetings if there is no CBA deal in place, or will they get postponed indefinitely?

 

If no CBA, no transactions can take place. Zero. Not sure if they will still have winter meetings for the social aspect but find it hard to believe they would even reach verbal deals pending the signing of a new CBA if not 100% sure what the CBA is..

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I don't see anything majorly wrong with that Franco deal. He might end up leaving some money on the table. But this is a player with half a season in the majors.

 

He probably earns most of that just going through arb, without having to sell out any of his free agent years. But that's more money than his great grandkids could spend in their lifetime, so at that point it's choosing security over that massive, ridiculous payday.

 

Let's offer that same deal to Bo and Vlad! ;)

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If no CBA, no transactions can take place. Zero. Not sure if they will still have winter meetings for the social aspect but find it hard to believe they would even reach verbal deals pending the signing of a new CBA if not 100% sure what the CBA is..

 

Winter meetings are canceled if there's a lockout.

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The Miami Marlins have made a trade to acquire infielder Joey Wendle from the Tampa Bay Rays per sources. Tampa Bay will receive a prospect in return.

 

Marc Topkin

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#Rays return from #Marlins for Wendle is a prospect, OF Kameron Misner

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Craig Mish

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The Miami Marlins have made a trade to acquire infielder Joey Wendle from the Tampa Bay Rays per sources. Tampa Bay will receive a prospect in return.

 

Marc Topkin

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#Rays return from #Marlins for Wendle is a prospect, OF Kameron Misner

 

 

 

We couldn't have been very interested. Misner isn't even in the top 20 on MLB.com. Hopefully we have our sights set higher for 3B.

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Franco will be traded in 2026 for a monster haul.

 

Yeah, we can all tell exactly which year Franco will be traded.

 

Rays owner is a f***ing joke

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Look at Wander Franco's deal, this looks so bad.

 

 

it's funny how closely this structure matches the TV deal. 2025 is the first increase. 2027 is when it hits close to $100M

 

Franco will be traded in 2026 for a monster haul.

 

Depends on the stadium/city situation. 2028 is the first season in a new city/stadium. If Franco is a top performer, makes it tough to trade him and sell 3 times the tickets.

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Yeah, Misner is a 45FV on Fangraphs. That's not nothing.

 

Rays move Wendle for an OK prospect and make room for a player >> Wendle in Brujan.

 

They also had 41 men on the 40 man with the Raley and Kluber signings I don't think they necessarily have to see that much in Kam, they like the value in the bottom end of their 40 man.

 

I have to admit I know nothing about the 3 of the 4 guys they added to the 40 man, but they got watch listed for the LOD draft just cause they are Rays.

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Lewis Brinson finally DFA'd after racking up -3.2 fWAR in 341 MLB games. Has to be in the conversation for one of the worst MLB players of all time.
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Winter meetings are canceled if there's a lockout.

 

Yes, everything shuts down at noon tomorrow if there's no agreement. That's why there's such a frenzy with top FA's.

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Lewis Brinson finally DFA'd after racking up -3.2 fWAR in 341 MLB games. Has to be in the conversation for one of the worst MLB players of all time.

 

Bill Bergen says hi.

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We couldn't have been very interested. Misner isn't even in the top 20 on MLB.com. Hopefully we have our sights set higher for 3B.

 

Dude, Kameron Misner is a good get for Wendle, chalk this up as a W for the Rays, Imo. Marlins prospect capital is stacked. Fangraphs has him 11th in their rankings. Not sure where BA and BP have him, but the kid has loud tools.

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Dude, Kameron Misner is a good get for Wendle, chalk this up as a W for the Rays, Imo. Marlins prospect capital is stacked. Fangraphs has him 11th in their rankings. Not sure where BA and BP have him, but the kid has loud tools.

 

He’s also avail for a SP or very good RP in Bbdl ot Bored. Don’t think Tampa doesn’t know either s***

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The Tigers announced that they will not tender a contract to LHP Matthew Boyd for the 2022 season.

 

Milwaukee Brewers

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The #Brewers have non-tendered 1B Daniel Vogelbach and RHP John Curtiss.

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Yes, everything shuts down at noon tomorrow if there's no agreement. That's why there's such a frenzy with top FA's.

 

Everything I’ve seen says 11:59pm EST is when the lockout starts. Hopefully that means there’s enough time between tonight and tomorrow morning to get signs/trades done with physicals before the deadline.

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Matt Boyd will be non-tendered

 

Poor guy

 

Someone might give him a 2-year deal. He had elbow surgery and it's not clear when he's going to be able to pitch, and he's a FA after 2022.

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Someone might give him a 2-year deal. He had elbow surgery and it's not clear when he's going to be able to pitch, and he's a FA after 2022.

 

I like 2 year deals for guys like that. Back loaded of course with double the salary in year 2.

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