Offseason Roster Thread (2020-2021)

[Spanky99]

Pitchers seem to love Pete Walker. I don't think i have ever heard a negative thing said about him, wonder if he gets a shot some day at managing or if he is happy being the pitching guru at the Jays, Don't really want to lose him.

 

Also i would be happy with a Walker/Paxton get should be able to get Walker for 2 years and maybe Paxton on 2 but it might take 3years.

 

Ryu

Paxton

Pearson

Walker

Ray/Stripling

 

Thats not a terrible Rotation there.

 

I don't think either of those guys get multi-year deals, wouldn't mind getting them, though.

[Laika]

I don't think either of those guys get multi-year deals, wouldn't mind getting them, though.

 

Yeah with Happ and Quintana both settling for 1/$8M, it seems like outside of Bauer and perhaps Tanaka there is a decent chance that every SP left settles for a one year agreement. Heck there's even a chance Tanaka takes a one year deal (for a good chunk of money).

[Jimcanuck]

I was under the impression Walker had already signed with the Jays lol

[G-Snarls]

Yeah with Happ and Quintana both settling for 1/$8M, it seems like outside of Bauer and perhaps Tanaka there is a decent chance that every SP left settles for a one year agreement. Heck there's even a chance Tanaka takes a one year deal (for a good chunk of money).

 

Starting pitchers who signed 1 year contracts this off season:

 

Stroman (QO)

Gausman (QO)

Kluber 11M

Ray 8M

Happ 8M

Quintana 8M

Morton 15M

Smyly 11M

Wacha 3M

DeSclafani 3M

Lester 5M?

 

Did I miss anyone?

 

So far isn't Mike Minor the only one to even get a 2 year deal??

 

Bauer will get a multi year deal of course (Unless he and the Dodgers decide to do something crazy like a 1/45M deal) and probably Tanaka but that might be it.

[Spanky99]

Yeah with Happ and Quintana both settling for 1/$8M, it seems like outside of Bauer and perhaps Tanaka there is a decent chance that every SP left settles for a one year agreement. Heck there's even a chance Tanaka takes a one year deal (for a good chunk of money).

 

Yup, Tanaka has said he'll do a 1 year deal for 15+, weird how Minor got 2 years the only SP to get a multi-year deal so far.

 

Imagine if the Dodgers got Bauer on a one year deal.

 

 

f*** that, imagine if Toronto did.

Edited January 21, 2021 by Spanky99

[G-Snarls]

I could totally see that Dodgers 1 year deal actually happening, especially if he doesn't have super strong offers elsewhere

 

Bauer - f*** Gerrit Cole I'm the highest paid single season SP ever and I can maybe win a WS possibly pitching against him

 

Dodgers - f*** the Padres now our rotation is still better than yours

 

1. Bauer

2. Kershaw

3. Beuhler (Dave Roberts - f*** I don't even know how to order the first 3 cause it's an embarrassment of riches Muah ah ah ah ah!!!)

 

4/5 - May/Price/Urias/Gonsolin

 

Pay luxury tax one year, win the WS back to back, and let Bauer go elsewhere after, leaving payroll space for Seager/Bellinger

Edited January 21, 2021 by G-Snarls

[max silver]

Starting pitchers who signed 1 year contracts this off season:

 

Stroman (QO)

Gausman (QO)

Kluber 11M

Ray 8M

Happ 8M

Quintana 8M

Morton 15M

Smyly 11M

Wacha 3M

DeSclafani 3M

Lester 5M?

 

Did I miss anyone?

 

So far isn't Mike Minor the only one to even get a 2 year deal??

 

Bauer will get a multi year deal of course and probably Tanaka but that might be it.

 

Odorizzi is reportedly searching for a 3 year deal, however in this market and with the rough season he had I doubt he'll get an offer like that. He can serve as a cautionary tale against second tier starters turning down multi year contracts in favor of the qualifying offer, there's a good chance he'll end up short on overall earnings compared to had he accepted the Jays offer last offseason.

[Grant77]

Yeah, I've read that chat, I'm a Taijuan fan, I wouldn't be upset if he's an addition after some other names. It's starting to look like the Birds are all in on FA.

 

Talent and dollars aside, it's always a big plus to have a player who wants to be a Blue Jay.

[Jonn]

Down for Walker coming back on a short term deal. I prefer that over giving Odorizzi a three year deal. I would still love to dream on Bauer though. I just think the Jays can afford to make that play. The core of this team is still multiple years away from making big money.

[G-Snarls]

Down for Walker coming back on a short term deal. I prefer that over giving Odorizzi a three year deal. I would still love to dream on Bauer though. I just think the Jays can afford to make that play. The core of this team is still multiple years away from making big money.

 

Yes they could certainly afford to give Bauer a nice front loaded contract

2021 - 40M

2022 - 35M

2023 - 35M

2024 - 30M

2025 - 30M

 

Would that get it done??

 

But they might prefer a trade for a more cost controlled starter plus a 3B

[G-Snarls]

Signing Bauer (who declined a QO) would cost us:

 

A team that neither exceeded the luxury tax in the preceding season nor receives revenue sharing will lose its second-highest selection in the following year's Draft, as well as $500,000 from its international bonus pool for the upcoming signing period.

 

Trading for a SP/3B combo would cost a major leaguer and multiple prospects

[43211234]

Yes they could certainly afford to give Bauer a nice front loaded contract

2021 - 40M

2022 - 35M

2023 - 35M

2024 - 30M

2025 - 30M

 

Would that get it done??

 

But they might prefer a trade for a more cost controlled starter plus a 3B

 

I think Bauer signs that deal the instant it's offered.

[max silver]

Yes they could certainly afford to give Bauer a nice front loaded contract

2021 - 40M

2022 - 35M

2023 - 35M

2024 - 30M

2025 - 30M

 

Would that get it done??

 

But they might prefer a trade for a more cost controlled starter plus a 3B

 

If Bauer is willing to sign with Toronto that would most likely get it done.

[Orgfiller]

Yes they could certainly afford to give Bauer a nice front loaded contract

2021 - 40M

2022 - 35M

2023 - 35M

2024 - 30M

2025 - 30M

 

Would that get it done??

 

But they might prefer a trade for a more cost controlled starter plus a 3B

 

Bauer and his agent are out to lunch if he thinks he can get a deal like that. I don't care how data driven he is and how he seems to believe he can pitch every other day, he's not Jacob deGrom. Bauer has no business getting a 5/170 deal after one elite season two years ago and one third of an elite season both in the worst divisions in baseball.

 

I'd certainly welcome his addition to the rotation and I know it would take us overpaying to get it done but hard pass at those terms.

[Jonn]

Bauer and his agent are out to lunch if he thinks he can get a deal like that. I don't care how data driven Bauer is and how he seems to believe he can pitch every other day, he's not Jacob deGrom. Bauer has no business getting a 5/170 deal after one elite season two years ago and one third of an elite season both in the worst divisions in baseball.

 

I wouldn’t mind going out to lunch with Bauer’s agent.

[LGBJ29]

 

Damn. Maybe this lowers his trade value

[Virgil_Hiltz]

Christ - I work with my U11 team during the winter (for those who want to come out and when it doesn't interfere with hockey or other commitments).

Well Done!!!!....My son-inlaw also coaches that age group in Kitchener and it's the same for him working on skills and team building. It's not always baseball skills but people skills and building friendships.

[Abomination]

 

Damn. Maybe this lowers his trade value

 

Yeah. Trade for him and offer him a long-term deal at a slight discount with a full NTC. Everyone wins (except the Cubs).

[Terminator]

 

Damn. Maybe this lowers his trade value

 

He's the new Adam Dunn. Plus he has an ugly wife. Hard pass.

[Virgil_Hiltz]

Pitchers seem to love Pete Walker. I don't think i have ever heard a negative thing said about him, wonder if he gets a shot some day at managing or if he is happy being the pitching guru at the Jays, Don't really want to lose him.

 

Also i would be happy with a Walker/Paxton get should be able to get Walker for 2 years and maybe Paxton on 2 but it might take 3years.

 

Ryu

Paxton

Pearson

Walker

Ray/Stripling

 

Thats not a terrible Rotation there.

 

Pete was on the radio this am talking various items but the one that jumped at me was the new facilities in Dunedin. He said it all leading edge, they have cameras that can zoom into the pitchers hand at the point of release to analyze the grips on the seams and other minut details to increase velocity or spin rate. He admitted that it may not increase greatly but maybe just enough to make a difference!

[connorp]

He's the new Adam Dunn. Plus he has an ugly wife. Hard pass.

 

Had to Google. Woof. Solid take

[Virgil_Hiltz]

Down for Walker coming back on a short term deal. I prefer that over giving Odorizzi a three year deal. I would still love to dream on Bauer though. I just think the Jays can afford to make that play. The core of this team is still multiple years away from making big money.

 

Especially if those one yr deals for SP could put 45,000 fans in the seats for a few yrs till our young stars start earning the big bucks. Rogers saw what having a contending does for butts in seats and viewership and these increased numbers goes a long way in paying these players when they are due! Otherwise the Jays will just become a farm team for the big boys like a cpl teams in Fla.

[Ryu In My House]

Yup, Tanaka has said he'll do a 1 year deal for 15+, weird how Minor got 2 years the only SP to get a multi-year deal so far.

 

Imagine if the Dodgers got Bauer on a one year deal.

 

 

f*** that, imagine if Toronto did.

 

What would it take? $37M? $40M?

 

I'd really want minimum 2-year, but that's a lot of cash. I think 2-3 of our young guys could be effective starters right away. Maybe a 1-year, $40M isn't crazy. Then we'd have the SWRs and Manoahs of the world ready by 2022.

[Ryu In My House]

Especially if those one yr deals for SP could put 45,000 fans in the seats for a few yrs till our young stars start earning the big bucks. Rogers saw what having a contending does for butts in seats and viewership and these increased numbers goes a long way in paying these players when they are due! Otherwise the Jays will just become a farm team for the big boys like a cpl teams in Fla.

 

I am higher on Walker than most, I would love him back on a 1-year. I would like Odorizzi here on a 2-3 year deal. Damnit, Roark has kind of mucked things up with his awful self.

[Terminator]

Had to Google. Woof. Solid take

 

It's true but it's also kind of a meme haha. I think it was a scout who said Kris Bryant was going to fail because he has an ugly wife and that it shows a lack of confidence.

[Spanky99]

What would it take? $37M? $40M?

 

I'd really want minimum 2-year, but that's a lot of cash. I think 2-3 of our young guys could be effective starters right away. Maybe a 1-year, $40M isn't crazy. Then we'd have the SWRs and Manoahs of the world ready by 2022.

 

Maybe somewhere around there, I haven't heard any leaks on him getting offers yet. I'd love to take a chance with Bauer at 1 year.

[Deadpool]

I am higher on Walker than most, I would love him back on a 1-year. I would like Odorizzi here on a 2-3 year deal. Damnit, Roark has kind of mucked things up with his awful self.

 

Since he likes Toronto, I'd be after Walker on a 1 year + option(s), in case he does actually break out at all.

[Orgfiller]

It's true but it's also kind of a meme haha. I think it was a scout who said Kris Bryant was going to fail because he has an ugly wife and that it shows a lack of confidence.

 

It's a Moneyball (the movie, not sure about the book) reference isn't it?

[Terminator]

It's a Moneyball (the movie, not sure about the book) reference isn't it?

 

Oh ok yeah you are probably right. I only really see it used with Kris Bryant so my brain must have taken a leap on its own.

[G-Snarls]

Is Chris Archer beyond reclamation??