Offseason Roster Thread (2020-2021)

[THANOS]

Yeah that sounds like a you problem. Lots of really solid potential additions you didn't name.

 

How much is Sugano projected to go for? If we sign him, do you believe we're likely out on the top names (Springer, Bauer, DJL, Realmuto)?

 

There's definitely many scenarios we can improve but I'm curious what the max in payroll additions they have for 2021. Is it like 50M, less, or more?

 

I have to think a combination of Sugano, one of the big 4, and Liam Hendricks would run north of that? One would think.

[saskjayfan]

Still remember when we traded Hendricks for Valencia just so we could DFA him lol.

 

You don't remember that well because we traded Hendriks for one year of Jesse Chavez, which some on here didn't mind. I feel like it was Jonn who was deathly against the trade because Chavez was owed something like 5 mil and Hendriks was league min and he figured we could have signed someone similar for chavez for the difference and held onto Hendriks. As it turned out it was a pretty lopsided trade.

[Spanky99]

How much is Sugano projected to go for? If we sign him, do you believe we're likely out on the top names (Springer, Bauer, DJL, Realmuto)?

 

There's definitely many scenarios we can improve but I'm curious what the max in payroll additions they have for 2021. Is it like 50M, less, or more?

 

I have to think a combination of Sugano, one of the big 4, and Liam Hendricks would run north of that? One would think.

 

I think they would have a payroll adjusted to whom they attain. But, that's just me.

[Laika]

How much is Sugano projected to go for? If we sign him, do you believe we're likely out on the top names (Springer, Bauer, DJL, Realmuto)?

 

There's definitely many scenarios we can improve but I'm curious what the max in payroll additions they have for 2021. Is it like 50M, less, or more?

 

I have to think a combination of Sugano, one of the big 4, and Liam Hendricks would run north of that? One would think.

 

We don't really know how much payroll they are willing to add. They had payrolls north of $160M a couple of years ago. 2021 projected payroll is a pittance of that. What is it, like $75M tops?

 

They have the room to add a lot. I don't think signing Sugano makes them out on anybody. I mean, if you are giving Springer a $30M AAV it would be stupid to stop there... the team's pitching is the biggest problem.

 

I could see them rolling over the $120M payroll mark for the right combination of players. I don't think they will approach $160 any time soon. I think they will also try their best to avoid any contracts that could interfere with potential extensions for the core.

[G-Snarls]

I think if they don't get a high impact SS/3B they'll be saving payroll space to add one at the deadline or next off season.

[G-Snarls]

We don't really know how much payroll they are willing to add. They had payrolls north of $160M a couple of years ago. 2021 projected payroll is a pittance of that. What is it, like $75M tops?

 

They have the room to add a lot. I don't think signing Sugano makes them out on anybody. I mean, if you are giving Springer a $30M AAV it would be stupid to stop there... the team's pitching is the biggest problem.

 

I could see them rolling over the $120M payroll mark for the right combination of players. I don't think they will approach $160 any time soon. I think they will also try their best to avoid any contracts that could interfere with potential extensions for the core.

 

Agree with everything in this post

[THANOS]

I think they would have a payroll adjusted to whom they attain. But, that's just me.

 

Flexible to that is my hope, but I wish we had any idea of a ballpark range.

 

Looks like they're currently at roughly $70M. I think 2016 had a payroll of $163M roughly.

 

So are we thinking a range between $130M - $160M?

 

If so that could be an increase of anywhere from $60 - $90M. I don't actually expect them to go all the way to their 2016 payroll but would be interesting.

 

If they hypothetically did spend that much, they could afford two of the top 4 FAs, Liam Hendricks, a SP reclamation like Kluber/Paxton, and some more BP help. Could be one helluva haul.

[THANOS]

We don't really know how much payroll they are willing to add. They had payrolls north of $160M a couple of years ago. 2021 projected payroll is a pittance of that. What is it, like $75M tops?

 

They have the room to add a lot. I don't think signing Sugano makes them out on anybody. I mean, if you are giving Springer a $30M AAV it would be stupid to stop there... the team's pitching is the biggest problem.

 

I could see them rolling over the $120M payroll mark for the right combination of players. I don't think they will approach $160 any time soon. I think they will also try their best to avoid any contracts that could interfere with potential extensions for the core.

 

I basically answered my own post in response to Spanky below similarly to yours hah. It is pretty crazy how much space we have. I assume they would rather overpay for shorter term or front load the contracts to get them reduced or off the books when it comes time to extend the core!

[G-Snarls]

Flexible to that is my hope, but I wish we had any idea of a ballpark range.

 

Looks like they're currently at roughly $70M. I think 2016 had a payroll of $163M roughly.

 

So are we thinking a range between $130M - $160M?

 

If so that could be an increase of anywhere from $60 - $90M. I don't actually expect them to go all the way to their 2016 payroll but would be interesting.

 

If they hypothetically did spend that much, they could afford two of the top 4 FAs, Liam Hendricks, a SP reclamation like Kluber/Paxton, and some more BP help. Could be one helluva haul.

 

They just don't have to spend it all this winter though

 

If they can't make a Lindor deal they like, there are a bevy of shortstop options next off season including Lindor himself plus Correa, Story and Baez

[L54]

I highly doubt they’re willing to almost double the projected payroll in one offseason. Seems like a terrible idea.

 

I think a lot of people need to temper their expectations. Maaaaybe one of the big 4, but if not I expect a few 2-3 year deals at like 10-15M/year.

[G-Snarls]

I basically answered my own post in response to Spanky below similarly to yours hah. It is pretty crazy how much space we have. I assume they would rather overpay for shorter term or front load the contracts to get them reduced or off the books when it comes time to extend the core!

 

Its a pretty nice position to be in that's for sure

 

Most teams are already at their spending limit and are facing a huge drop in revenues

[G-Snarls]

So yeah if you can get Hendricks to sign a 3 year deal here do it

 

He might be the best player they can sign

[Spanky99]

They just don't have to spend it all this winter though

 

If they can't make a Lindor deal they like, there are a bevy of shortstop options next off season including Lindor himself plus Correa, Story and Baez

 

Bo Bichette is a cromulent SS, the Birds need to add Wins, I don't get the need at SS. 3rd base really is the glaring hole in this line-up.

[G-Snarls]

Bo Bichette is a cromulent SS, the Birds need to add Wins, I don't get the need at SS. 3rd base really is the glaring hole in this line-up.

 

They have seemed rather intent on getting Lindor which means they must be very willing to move Bichette to third (or Bichette to 2B and Biggio to 3B).

 

I'm fine with that but also fine with getting Tumer or Arenado or Didi for 3B and keeping Bichette right where he is.

 

Both plans improve the IF defense by bumping Vlad firmly to 1B

[G-Snarls]

Getting an elite SS or Realmuto means you have to make multiple moves subsequently. It's more complex that way and I like Bichette at short and I like our catchers. But you do what you have to do to get better.

[Jimcanuck]

Semantics Jim, he still *MIGHT* go home, he said it himself and *Did Not* refute that. Like I've said, I hope he sticks around.

 

No it not semantics. A huge difference between Yankees or home, or MLB team or home.

[Jays24]

Getting an elite SS or Realmuto means you have to make multiple moves subsequently. It's more complex that way and I like Bichette at short and I like our catchers. But you do what you have to do to get better.

 

Ya I think we're just trying to add the best talent we can and have the luxury of being able to move players around to make it happen.

[Spanky99]

Getting an elite SS or Realmuto means you have to make multiple moves subsequently. It's more complex that way and I like Bichette at short and I like our catchers. But you do what you have to do to get better.

 

So why are Bichette's numbers defensively projected as they are? We're talking top 5 in the MLB? Also, I understand that as Turner and Bryant are the only key targets, no thanks to Arenado with that opt out.

[Spanky99]

No it not semantics. A huge difference between Yankees or home, or MLB team or home.

 

Pedant, same s***.

[Jimcanuck]

Pedant, same s***.

 

You are an ass.

[Spanky99]

You are an ass.

 

Well then, feeling is mutual, I'm right.

[Spanky99]

It's not as cumbersome as you suggest.

 

Elite SS and you just move Bichette or Biggio to 3rd. It's not even an additional transaction. Sign Realmuto and trade Jansen for a pitcher.

 

It's like 0.5 transactions lol.

 

So many scenarios.

[xposbrad]

It's not as cumbersome as you suggest.

 

Elite SS and you just move Bichette or Biggio to 3rd. It's not even an additional transaction. Sign Realmuto and trade Jansen for a pitcher.

 

It's like 0.5 transactions lol.

 

Bauer + Sugano/Paxton , Jansen+ for Lindor and then Rosario for depth. Kirk is going to be a beast this year.

[Laika]

Say you have $50M in AAV you can spend. No going over. Assume these contracts:

 

Bauer 5/150 ($30 AAV)

Springer 5/135 ($27 AAV)

Realmuto 5/100 ($20 AAV)

DJLM 4/80 ($20 AAV)

Ozuna 4/76 ($19 AAV)

Paxton 3/57 ($19 AAV)

Semien 3/54 ($18 AAV)

Tanaka 3/51 ($17 AAV)

Didi 3/48 ($16 AAV)

Hendriks 3/45 ($15 AAV)

Turner 3/45 ($15 AAV)

Brantley 3/45 ($15 AAV)

Simmons 3/39 ($13 AAV)

Kluber 1/13 ($13 AAV)

Hamels 1/13 ($13 AAV)

Sugano 3/36 ($12 AAV)

Odorizzi 3/36 ($12 AAV)

Pederson 2/20 ($10 AAV)

Wong 3/30 ($10 AAV)

Walker 2/20 ($10 AAV)

Quintana 2/20 ($10 AAV)

Happ 2/18 ($9 AAV)

Hand 3/27 ($9 AAV)

Archer 1/9 ($9 AAV)

Cesar Hernandez 2/16 ($8 AAV)

Garrett Richards 2/16 ($8 AAV)

Treinen 2/16 ($8 AAV)

Puig, La Stella, Hill...1/8 ($8 AAV)

 

For anyone else assume the AAV here: https://www.fangraphs.com/roster-resource/free-agent-tracker or just use $5M if there is no prediction there.

 

(you can assume that smaller $1M and $2M additions don't affect payroll)

 

Who are you signing? Two big fish or spreading the money around?

Edited January 5, 2021 by Laika

[BTS]

Bauer and Realmuto

[Abomination]

Turner, Joc, Hamels, Walker

[Orgfiller]

Turner, Joc, Hamels, Walker

 

How do you have that list available and pick the cohort of players that's both older, more injury prone, and projects for less combined WAR than 2 of Springer, Bauer, Realmuto and DJLM?

[max silver]

Missing out on Kim throws a wrench in how I would have liked things to proceed. Under the $50 million payroll scenario I would have added Springer, Kim and either Sugano or Odorizzi.

[Jimcanuck]

Didi 3/48 ($16 AAV)

Hendriks 3/45 ($15 AAV)

Walker 2/20 ($10 AAV)

Archer 1/9 ($9 AAV)

 

Value signings on shorter term contracts, free up cash when it's time to extend the core.

 

The other aspect is there will be other free agents available after 2021, 2022, etc. Signing a Springer and DJLM for example could limit the Jays bidding on these FA when they are top contenders (and Springer and DJLM in decline).

[Spanky99]

Hendriks 15? Ewwwww...