BoSox vs. Buffalo Blue Jays - Game 1/3

[Deadpool]

I don't know if it's been mentioned but the home plate umpire gets a huge assist in Boston's win last night. The Boston starter got the benefit of a massive strike zone with multiple pitches well off the plate called for strikes, and in my view the game totally turned around at the moment Vazquez received a reprieve when instead of being called out on strike 3 was given a chance to continue his at bat instead. Maybe Font still melts down afterwards anyway, but we'll never know for sure.

 

GIANT. KILLER. ROBOTS.

 

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[Abomination]

I don't know if it's been mentioned but the home plate umpire gets a huge assist in Boston's win last night. The Boston starter got the benefit of a massive strike zone with multiple pitches well off the plate called for strikes, and in my view the game totally turned around at the moment Vazquez received a reprieve when instead of being called out on strike 3 was given a chance to continue his at bat instead. Maybe Font still melts down afterwards anyway, but we'll never know for sure.

 

Tennis is using Hawkeye Live this week, with the system making in/out calls (verbally even!) as well as foot fouls in real time on the court. There are literally no line judges at the event. Apparently the margin of error is 3 millimeters. I think the robocalls MLB was experimenting with uses the same technology, but I'm not positive.

[Brownie19]

Toronto would have to build a $500M stadium for a team to play 17 (or whatever the ridiculously short NFL season is) games a season. I'm sorry, but like, hard pass for my tax dollars being used for that.

 

8 games bruh - away games are a thing. Point still made.

[Brownie19]

Is it just me, or does it seem like Teo is running at like 80% effort when he's in the OF? I think it was Vasquez that hit one over his head last night that bounced on the warning track....looked like he was jogging after it. He's like the anti-Pillar.

 

Good thing he's crushing the ball still.

[Laika]

The real question with robotic strikes & balls is will they redefine the strike zone?

 

If they don't the game will fundamentally change because pitches that currently get called strikes more than 50% of the time will be balls, and some pitches that are almost never called strikes will always be called strikes.

 

This will have a huge effect. Certain players will be from good to bad, or bad to good, overnight.

 

[wilko]

What the f*** is up with Montoyo pulling SP early from games?

[WILLIEUPSHAW]

What the f*** is up with Montoyo pulling SP early from games?

 

It seems he is a chicken-s*** bitch, who is scared that doing nothing (leaving the starter in), will be seen as negligence. But then he goes and puts gas-can Font in a close game, which is subsequently lost. As MANY have already said here - the man is in WAY over his head ( he is probably an acceptable AAA manager.......)

[max silver]

It seems he is a chicken-s*** bitch, who is scared that doing nothing (leaving the starter in), will be seen as negligence. But then he goes and puts gas-can Font in a close game, which is subsequently lost. As MANY have already said here - the man is in WAY over his head ( he is probably an acceptable AAA manager.......)

 

If you look at Font's game logs he had actually been pitching reasonably well leading up to last night's game, but why he was given so much leash when he clearly didn't have it is the bigger offense.

[Deadpool]

The real question with robotic strikes & balls is will they redefine the strike zone?

 

If they don't the game will fundamentally change because pitches that currently get called strikes more than 50% of the time will be balls, and some pitches that are almost never called strikes will always be called strikes.

 

This will have a huge effect. Certain players will be from good to bad, or bad to good, overnight.

 

 

Adapt or die, motherf***ers. The pitchers that rely on getting balls called strikes can go the way of the LOOGY.

[WILLIEUPSHAW]

If you look at Font's game logs he had actually been pitching reasonably well leading up to last night's game, but why he was given so much leash when he clearly didn't have it is the bigger offense.

 

You missed the point. The starter (Anderson) should not have been pulled at that time. Should have given him at least 1 more batter and up to 100 pitches would have been appropriate (only 83 when he was yanked)!

[Brownie19]

It seems he is a chicken-s*** bitch, who is scared that doing nothing (leaving the starter in), will be seen as negligence. But then he goes and puts gas-can Font in a close game, which is subsequently lost. As MANY have already said here - the man is in WAY over his head ( he is probably an acceptable AAA manager.......)

 

The reality is if he leaves Anderson in and he gives up a blooper and then a 3 run HR - most would bitch that he left him in too long. Like it or not, we are in a era where marginal starters (like Anderson) don't face lineups a 3rd time - primarily because the numbers suggest it's a terrible idea.

 

In hindsight, he should have left Anderson in - and I'd fully support if he left Ryu and Roark in a bit too long also, while simply stating to the public that his bullpen is taxed right now and he had to get more innings out of his starters - even if it comes with diminishing results.

 

The Jays need to mix in a few blowouts to help the cause. We are playing a s*** ton of close games right now.

[max silver]

You missed the point. The starter (Anderson) should not have been pulled at that time. Should have given him at least 1 more batter and up to 100 pitches would have been appropriate (only 83 when he was yanked)!

 

Anderson is still building up his arm strength to allow for higher pitch counts. On a team with only three healthy starters at the moment surely you can understand why the coaching staff would feel the need to be cautious with one of their few remaining starters.

[WILLIEUPSHAW]

Anderson is still building up his arm strength to allow for higher pitch counts. On a team with only three healthy starters at the moment surely you can understand why the coaching staff would feel the need to be cautious with one of their few remaining starters.

 

as Brownie19 said "In hindsight, he should have left Anderson in - and I'd fully support if he left Ryu and Roark in a bit too long also, while simply stating to the public that his bullpen is taxed right now and he had to get more innings out of his starters - even if it comes with diminishing results."

 

an overworked bullpen is a generally ineffective bullpen. Starting pitching still rules !

[wilko]

It seems he is a chicken-s*** bitch, who is scared that doing nothing (leaving the starter in), will be seen as negligence. But then he goes and puts gas-can Font in a close game, which is subsequently lost. As MANY have already said here - the man is in WAY over his head ( he is probably an acceptable AAA manager.......)

 

I agree. I have nothing against Font.. he's been decent so far (numbers might not show that) but maybe not throw him into a high leverage situation when you have better options at the moment. Or you know... LEAVE ANDERSON IN!

[Deadpool]

The reality is if he leaves Anderson in and he gives up a blooper and then a 3 run HR - most would bitch that he left him in too long. Like it or not, we are in a era where marginal starters (like Anderson) don't face lineups a 3rd time - primarily because the numbers suggest it's a terrible idea.

 

In hindsight, he should have left Anderson in - and I'd fully support if he left Ryu and Roark in a bit too long also, while simply stating to the public that his bullpen is taxed right now and he had to get more innings out of his starters - even if it comes with diminishing results.

 

The Jays need to mix in a few blowouts to help the cause. We are playing a s*** ton of close games right now.

 

But it was the second time through the lineup... And the bottom of the order.

[Deadpool]

But it was the second time through the lineup... And the bottom of the order.

 

My bad, it was the 3rd time through. Was still the bottom of the lineup though, so he'd already faced the hard part the 3rd time.

[BlueRocky]

[Laika]

Almost every time, pulling a SP third time through the order is the right move. Charlie isn’t even making decisions like that though - it’s all coming from above. You guys are dummies.

[Spanky99]

 

They should've moved this game up a couple hours, MLB is dumn.

[glory]

 

I can understand the TV networks wanting night games, but man, just adjust the schedule for weather every once in a while to cram the games in.

[THANOS]

Almost every time, pulling a SP third time through the order is the right move. Charlie isn’t even making decisions like that though - it’s all coming from above. You guys are dummies.

 

I agree. It's more so, about using Font in that spot.

[glory]

My issue was keeping him in to face the guy that killed him all game (Moreland) and then removing him immediately after that. Could have just started the inning with Font if that was the case. Otherwise should have kept him in to face at least another batter or two.

[Laika]

I agree. It's more so, about using Font in that spot.

 

Font is an annoying reliever. You look at his K/BB and think he should be at least a decent reliever. Stuff looks okay. But he has been getting rocked this year and his whole career.

 

I think going to him is justifiable with a 3 run lead. They are trying to spread the work around a taxed pen.

 

I cannot understand the justification for having him face Verdugo, though.

 

Kind of just want Font gone to be honest.

[Spanky99]

My issue was keeping him in to face the guy that killed him all game (Moreland) and then removing him immediately after that. Could have just started the inning with Font if that was the case. Otherwise should have kept him in to face at least another batter or two.

 

This was my issue to, it was just a "Why?" moment. Laika's a dummy along with Charlie!

[Laika]

Okay, well if the crowd is now going to say Anderson should have been pulled EARLIER then sure! I agree.

[WILLIEUPSHAW]

I say 100+ pitches - let the vetrin work his way through the 6th before a quick hook.

 

And look at you, Big Mr Mod calling people dummies - I thought that was out of bounds here now!....... f*** Off !!!

[Brownie19]

I say 100+ pitches - let the vetrin work his way through the 6th before a quick hook.

 

And look at you, Big Mr Mod calling people dummies - I thought that was out of bounds here now!....... f*** Off !!!

 

Man - gone are the days when mediocre veterans like Anderson are simply out there to throw 100 pitches. That old school approach was slightly more justifiable when bullpens were full of s***** pitchers - but it's not in today's game, unless the justification is simply that the bullpen is taxed and we can't use it much tonight (which does happen).

 

I'm fairly sure that 'veterans working their way through the 6th inning' is something that s***** broadcasters made up. It's not a thing.

[Spanky99]

I say 100+ pitches - let the vetrin work his way through the 6th before a quick hook.

 

And look at you, Big Mr Mod calling people dummies - I thought that was out of bounds here now!....... f*** Off !!!

 

lol... yup, seen that timeout coming.

[BlueRocky]

My issue was keeping him in to face the guy that killed him all game (Moreland) and then removing him immediately after that. Could have just started the inning with Font if that was the case. Otherwise should have kept him in to face at least another batter or two.

 

I thought the same last night. Anderson pitched 5 IP, by far his longest outing in a Blue Jays uniform. He did a fine job overall.

You either let the bullpen start with a clean inning, or don’t yank out Anderson after walking Moreland. The guy just gave you 15 outs, and you lost all faith in him after walking a guy that had his number. Montoyo just finds way of putting his guys in a position to fail when it comes to pitcher management. Font clearly didn’t have it going last night, it happens to all pitchers and Montoyo kept him in with bases loaded. Cole was dealt a bad hand, I don’t blame him one bit.

 

The bullpen is taxed for a reason, Montoyo uses 6-8 pitchers a game, keeps making bad decisions which led to extra-innings galore. No other team in baseball has more extra-inning games and late losses than the Blue Jays. How can you lose so many close and tied games with a top 5 bullpen? Not once or twice mind you.

 

We scored same amount of runs as Tampa, had a better ERA and pitched better than Tampa, and ended up 3-7 vs Tampa. Think about that for a minute and what that means.

 

If poor managerial decisions were tracked, Montoyo would be easily -3 WAR right now. Jays would be 17-11 instead of 14-14. Anyone that doesn’t see it hasn’t been watching.

[Ray]

I thought the same last night. Anderson pitched 5 IP, by far his longest outing in a Blue Jays uniform. He did a fine job overall.

You either let the bullpen start with a clean inning, or don’t yank out Anderson after walking Moreland. The guy just gave you 15 outs, and you lost all faith in him after walking a guy that had his number. Montoyo just finds way of putting his guys in a position to fail when it comes to pitcher management. Font clearly didn’t have it going last night, it happens to all pitchers and Montoyo kept him in with bases loaded. Cole was dealt a bad hand, I don’t blame him one bit.

 

The bullpen is taxed for a reason, Montoyo uses 6-8 pitchers a game, keeps making bad decisions which led to extra-innings galore. No other team in baseball has more extra-inning games and late losses than the Blue Jays. How can you lose so many close and tied games with a top 5 bullpen? Not once or twice mind you.

 

We scored same amount of runs as Tampa, had a better ERA and pitched better than Tampa, and ended up 3-7 vs Tampa. Think about that for a minute and what that means.

 

If poor managerial decisions were tracked, Montoyo would be easily -3 WAR right now. Jays would be 17-11 instead of 14-14. Anyone that doesn’t see it hasn’t been watching.

 

4-6 against Tampa, but point still stands.