Around Baseball 2020

[wilko]

Now Smoak is going to Japan

 

Getting over 6M

 

Wow. Would he have even got a major league deal worth a third of that here at this point?

 

Nope. He's gonna mash over there!

[Spanky__99]

I would prioritize getting a franchise SS over having a 10 million dollar 4th OFer. Just seems like a better allocation of our resources if we get Springer. Also improves our defense all around dramatically, not to mention our batting/base running. Biggio could be our 4th OFer when needed.

 

K......

[Orgfiller]

I would prioritize getting a franchise SS over having a 10 million dollar 4th OFer. Just seems like a better allocation of our resources if we get Springer. Also improves our defense all around dramatically, not to mention our batting/base running. Biggio could be our 4th OFer when needed.

 

To be pedantic, we have a franchise SS, we're just trying to eliminate the black hole that exists at 3B.

[L54]

I would prioritize getting a franchise SS over having a 10 million dollar 4th OFer. Just seems like a better allocation of our resources if we get Springer. Also improves our defense all around dramatically, not to mention our batting/base running. Biggio could be our 4th OFer when needed.

 

Why would you trade Gurriel to spend 300M on a shortstop when you already have one? Makes zero sense.

[Jays24]

Why would you trade Gurriel to spend 300M on a shortstop when you already have one? Makes zero sense.

 

Because Lindor is young and elite at that position while Bo is nowhere near him there yet. Bo can still grow into that but I'd think it's a near certainty that he becomes an elite 2B or possibly 3B.

 

While Tulo underperformed with the bat, he showed how important it is having an elite defensive SS. I'd prefer not to be just average defesnively at that spot.

[L54]

Because Lindor is young and elite at that position while Bo is nowhere near him there yet. Bo can still grow into that but I'd think it's a near certainty that he becomes an elite 2B or possibly 3B.

 

While Tulo underperformed with the bat, he showed how important it is having an elite defensive SS. I'd prefer not to be just average defesnively at that spot.

 

Sorry what? Tulo didn't show us anything other than trading for aging shortstops over 30 isn't really a great idea.

 

There is no certainty that Bichette becomes elite at second or third. He might have to move off the position but he's 22 years old. Why not just sign Lindor next year? Is this the only year the Blue Jays can win the World Series?

[Carlos Danger]

Because Lindor is young and elite at that position while Bo is nowhere near him there yet. Bo can still grow into that but I'd think it's a near certainty that he becomes an elite 2B or possibly 3B.

 

While Tulo underperformed with the bat, he showed how important it is having an elite defensive SS. I'd prefer not to be just average defesnively at that spot.

 

If you believe what has been coming from the Jays FO and our Manager. Run prevention is THE priority this offseason, not offense. Hence Lindor, Springer (until he slows down) pitching make sense in that context...

[Carlos Danger]

Sorry what? Tulo didn't show us anything other than trading for aging shortstops over 30 isn't really a great idea.

 

There is no certainty that Bichette becomes elite at second or third. He might have to move off the position but he's 22 years old. Why not just sign Lindor next year? Is this the only year the Blue Jays can win the World Series?

 

To be fair and to his point.. He 100% improved our D up the middle, especially considering Reyes was killing us at SS.

[L54]

To be fair and to his point.. He 100% improved our D up the middle, especially considering Reyes was killing us at SS.

 

The last three starting shortstops for WS winning teams were not elite defensive players. So the point doesn't really hold water. If the argument is that you want to improve defense, sign Simmons or Semien.

 

Trading Gurriel to sign Lindor when he's a FA next year is crazy to me.

[connorp]

To be fair and to his point.. He 100% improved our D up the middle, especially considering Reyes was killing us at SS.

 

Should be noted when he was 25-26 Reyes was projecting to be elite defensively. Couple injuries put that to an end

[Carlos Danger]

The last three starting shortstops for WS winning teams were not elite defensive players. So the point doesn't really hold water. If the argument is that you want to improve defense, sign Simmons or Semien.

 

Trading Gurriel to sign Lindor when he's a FA next year is crazy to me.

 

I am not advocating trading LGjr... I agree with you on that... I do believe Tulo contributed greatly to our playoff run with his D.. and D up the middle is key.

[Spanky__99]

Bo Bichette projects as a top 5 SS, with top 5 defense at the position. There's no urgency for a SS, CF/3B and Pitching are our needs.

 

https://www.fangraphs.com/projections.aspx?pos=ss&stats=bat&type=steamer&team=0&lg=all&players=0

[Jays24]

Sorry what? Tulo didn't show us anything other than trading for aging shortstops over 30 isn't really a great idea.

 

There is no certainty that Bichette becomes elite at second or third. He might have to move off the position but he's 22 years old. Why not just sign Lindor next year? Is this the only year the Blue Jays can win the World Series?

 

I am only going off the rumours that are going around for Lindor. I said that trading Gurriel only made sense if we signed someone like Springer to best allocate our lineup. Otherwise, I agree with everyone, I would not trade him.

 

And let's not pretend like we're the Yankees or Dodgers who can sign any free agent of our choosing. If we have a chance to get an elite player, you make it happen assuming the costs are reasonable obviously.

[Carlos Danger]

I can totally see Bryant going to the Braves...

[Jays24]

Bo Bichette projects as a top 5 SS, with top 5 defense at the position. There's no urgency for a SS, CF/3B and Pitching are our needs.

 

https://www.fangraphs.com/projections.aspx?pos=ss&stats=bat&type=steamer&team=0&lg=all&players=0

 

I have a hard time believing he is ahead of all those SS's on the list defensively. But then again, I have 0 clue how these calculations are actually performed lol.

[RobinThicc]

Bo Bichette projects as a top 5 SS, with top 5 defense at the position. There's no urgency for a SS, CF/3B and Pitching are our needs.

 

https://www.fangraphs.com/projections.aspx?pos=ss&stats=bat&type=steamer&team=0&lg=all&players=0

 

The front office was after Simmons last year at the deadline, apparently made a call this offseason and they're after Lindor. Seems to me like they dont believe Bo can be an elite defensive SS and they'd like one at that spot.

[G-Snarls]

The front office was after Simmons last year at the deadline, apparently made a call this offseason and they're after Lindor. Seems to me like they dont believe Bo can be an elite defensive SS and they'd like one at that spot.

 

Bo >>>> Vlad at 3B

 

Lindor/Simmons >> Bo at SS

 

I get it from their point of view

 

I would still jjst rather sign someone else for 3B and CF. But if the free agents you want won't sign you have to look to trades

[Spanky__99]

The front office was after Simmons last year at the deadline, apparently made a call this offseason and they're after Lindor. Seems to me like they dont believe Bo can be an elite defensive SS and they'd like one at that spot.

 

I'm aware, but saying they don't see him as an option at SS is flat out wrong. They're trying to get better defensively on the left side, there isn't many options at 3B(our black hole) after Turner and Bryant, hence the talks with SS'.

[saskjayfan]

I can totally see Bryant going to the Braves...

 

Bryant could be a fantastic pick up for a team that has the money to spend. He's a pretty good player going into a contract year. It would seem that the cost to acquire him won't be that high. The Jays could do a lot worse than trading for Bryant and putting money into pitching.

[G-Snarls]

Bryant could be a fantastic pick up for a team that has the money to spend. He's a pretty good player going into a contract year. It would seem that the cost to acquire him won't be that high. The Jays could do a lot worse than trading for Bryant and putting money into pitching.

 

Arbitration projections have him likely to get 18.6M for next year. Not many teams want to add that. So yes the cost in trade should be low. You could PROBABLY even get the Cubs to take a smaller contract you don't want, or have them pay part of his salary, to go along with giving them a prospect that they do want. And if he's good next year you probably make him a QO and collect a draft pick.

 

With all that in mind I think they probably just keep him though

[Deadpool]

I have a hard time believing he is ahead of all those SS's on the list defensively. But then again, I have 0 clue how these calculations are actually performed lol.

 

This is recency bias, he made two big mistakes in the playoffs in 2020, and that's all you can remember about Bo at SS.

[Jays24]

This is recency bias, he made two big mistakes in the playoffs in 2020, and that's all you can remember about Bo at SS.

 

No man, theres a difference in saying he can get better than saying he is already a top 5 SS. It's probably more to do with him having questions coming up to the bigs at that spot. That and with the Simmons/Lindor rumours help confirm those biases against Bo that management also thinks the same.

 

Personally, I'm only in favour of shifting him off that position if we can get a franchise cornerstone like Lindor. It'll also make it easier for Bo to swallow since his longterm happiness should be a big concern for us.

[Spanky__99]

No man, theres a difference in saying he can get better than saying he is already a top 5 SS. It's probably more to do with him having questions coming up to the bigs at that spot. That and with the Simmons/Lindor rumours help confirm those biases against Bo that management also thinks the same.

 

Personally, I'm only in favour of shifting him off that position if we can get a franchise cornerstone like Lindor. It'll also make it easier for Bo to swallow since his longterm happiness should be a big concern for us.

 

lol... that's all conjecture. It has nothing to do with projections.

 

ETA: Deadpool is right.

[G-Snarls]

Slugger Eric Thames is in agreement on a one-year deal with the Yomiuri Giants of Japan’s Nippon Professional Baseball, as first reported by Sports Hochi. Reports out of Japan have pegged the one-year contract’s value in the vicinity of $1.2MM, though the precise number remains unclear

[Jays24]

lol... that's all conjecture. It has nothing to do with projections.

 

ETA: Deadpool is right.

 

One day you'll agree with me... one day...

[Deadpool]

No man, theres a difference in saying he can get better than saying he is already a top 5 SS. It's probably more to do with him having questions coming up to the bigs at that spot. That and with the Simmons/Lindor rumours help confirm those biases against Bo that management also thinks the same.

 

Personally, I'm only in favour of shifting him off that position if we can get a franchise cornerstone like Lindor. It'll also make it easier for Bo to swallow since his longterm happiness should be a big concern for us.

 

I mean, good chance that Bo *IS* a franchise cornerstone. I don't think he'd make a bad 3B, and you obviously move him there if you do get Lindor, but it wouldn't even be all that shocking if Bo had a better 2021 than Lindor (not that I expect it but projections have them off by 1.1 WAR, which isn't that much of a difference over 162 games...)

[Spanky__99]

I can totally see Bryant going to the Braves...

 

I can totally see Bryant going to the Jays...

[The Iceman]

Jays need to improve defensively. Easiest way is to get a top SS and move Bichette to 2nd base in my opinion. 2nd base is where I see him long term as a Jay.

 

3rd base can be manned primarily by Biggio ideally with a veteran LH 3rd baseman added as a bench player. Brad Miller would be my choice.

[Sammy225]

Is it just me who would rather Marcus Semien on a two year deal. Gives Groshans time. After 1 down season could be a good signing.

[Laika]

Is it just me who would rather Marcus Semien on a two year deal. Gives Groshans time. After 1 down season could be a good signing.

 

Guaranteed Semien is looking for a big deal

 

To get someone like him or Didi or Turner on a short deal would require some gambling. Toronto would basically have to wait until the end of the offseason and bet that the market for one of them will not develop.

 

It does sort of seem like Toronto is taking this approach and is going to lean on their roster flexibility to just sign whoever is left