Around Baseball 2020

[Laika]

This is a lame-ass comparison. Jonathan Elrichman was hired to an extremely specialized position (Process and Analytics Coach) and his qualifications - a degree in Mathematics from Princeton University - correlate perfectly and entirely to that position. KevinGregg's point was that her qualifications comparative to what the Giants are saying her role is going to be are muddled. It is entirely probable that she proved herself worthy of the position over her years spent within the organization, and she deserves that distinction, but throwing Jonathan Elrichman as some sort of counter argument is clown-s***, bro.

 

It was an inside joke for Mr. Erlichman who frequents this message board.

 

Have a cup of tea and relax. It's Sunday.

[Bobthe4th]

do you enjoy men's tennis?

 

Tennis isn't a the best spectator sport anyway, but at least at the elite (men's) level you get to see some fantastic shots and play. McEnroe is 100% right that even Serena Williams wouldn't be a top 100 player in the men's game.

[Bobthe4th]

[metafour]

Tennis isn't a the best spectator sport anyway, but at least at the elite (men's) level you get to see some fantastic shots and play. McEnroe is 100% right that even Serena Williams wouldn't be a top 100 player in the men's game.

 

She wouldn't even be a Top 1000 player. He was actually being too kind, and when you have female "sports reporters" (and cuck-level beta male co-hosts) questioning that factual analysis, it actually makes people legitimately question ANY female who gets a similar job in sports, because how could anyone who is paid a salary to report on sports actually pose the question that Serena Williams is somehow the "best player in the world"?

[jaysblue]

Tennis isn't a the best spectator sport anyway, but at least at the elite (men's) level you get to see some fantastic shots and play. McEnroe is 100% right that even Serena Williams wouldn't be a top 100 player in the men's game.

 

Some women's tennis matches are extremely boring. If you watch Serena or another top female vs. an unranked player or someone in the first/second round of a tournament, the sets are usually 6-0, 6-1, with hardly any good shots or long rallies. At least in men's tennis, even if you see Federer or Djokovic play in a first round match against an unranked player, you still get some good points, longer rallies and fantastic shots. You can get some great women's matches later on in the tournament, but even some of them could be very lopsided and not entertaining.

 

Serena Williams and Venus Williams in 1998 claimed they could beat any male tennis player outside of the top 200. Karsten Braasch, a German tennis player, ranked 203rd at the time, who was the end of his career, and smoked cigarettes and drank beer when practicing, beat Serena 6-1 and Venus 6-2.

[dineke]

Ping pong >>>>>>>badminton >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>tennis

[Terminator]

Tennis isn't a the best spectator sport anyway, but at least at the elite (men's) level you get to see some fantastic shots and play. McEnroe is 100% right that even Serena Williams wouldn't be a top 100 player in the men's game.

 

She wouldn’t be Top 500.

[43211234]

Ping pong >>>>>>>badminton >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>tennis

 

What about teqball?

[saskjayfan]

Tennis isn't a the best spectator sport anyway, but at least at the elite (men's) level you get to see some fantastic shots and play. McEnroe is 100% right that even Serena Williams wouldn't be a top 100 player in the men's game.

 

I'd rather watch two sexy women playing at a sub par level than 2 elite men battling it out. That's the appeal of women's tennis and why they get paid so much!

[TheHurl]

It was an inside joke for Mr. Erlichman who frequents this message board.

 

Have a cup of tea and relax. It's Sunday.

 

but his mathematics degree will help him in leading the team in meditation. PS. Nakken is out there doing a very specialized job as well. Her role will be similar enough to 1 part of Erlichman's as she is trying to get the team to buy into health and wellness as well as injury prevention in practice.

[TheHurl]

I've never understood people who make the argument that a female player would lose miserably to mens thus they can't enjoy it. Do you watch the Little League World Series and say "Trout would destroy this kid"? This game sucks.

[Boxcar]

I've never understood people who make the argument that a female player would lose miserably to mens thus they can't enjoy it. Do you watch the Little League World Series and say "Trout would destroy this kid"? This game sucks.

 

I do. Same with the CFL.

[Laika]

I've never understood people who make the argument that a female player would lose miserably to mens thus they can't enjoy it. Do you watch the Little League World Series and say "Trout would destroy this kid"? This game sucks.

 

It depends on the sport. Things like tennis, golf, curling, soccer - not sure why but I find the women's games entertaining even if they would get destroyed by amateur men.

 

But other sports the quality just isn't there. I could never watch professional women's hockey even if it is entertaining in the Olympics when Canada plays the USA. I guess it's not the fact that a Minor Midget AA team would beat them, the sport is just not as entertaining when women play it. I think baseball would be the same way. The WNBA is that way (haven't tried to watch it in forever though).

[TheHurl]

It depends on the sport. Things like tennis, golf, curling, soccer - not sure why but I find the women's games entertaining even if they would get destroyed by amateur men.

 

But other sports the quality just isn't there. I could never watch professional women's hockey even if it is entertaining in the Olympics when Canada plays the USA. I guess it's not the fact that a Minor Midget AA team would beat them, the sport is just not as entertaining when women play it. I think baseball would be the same way. The WNBA is that way (haven't tried to watch it in forever though).

 

I actually agree with hockey somewhat. I don't enjoy the women's game as half the game is played between the bluelines. One person holds the puck way too long. WNBA I watched for about a season and made fun of it like all good men It was a a throwback style of using the entire shot clock and take a 15 footer. Then when I was there for the Pan Am games I was impressed how much more athletic they were than they used to be (probably helped along that I was so much less athletic than I used to be). I really enjoyed the game (at least when Canada or U.S. were playing). I don't go out of my way to watch it or anything but if it's on I have no issue watching it. I don't think I'd really watch women's baseball on TV. But if the national team is playing locally I'll support.

[metafour]

I've never understood people who make the argument that a female player would lose miserably to mens thus they can't enjoy it. Do you watch the Little League World Series and say "Trout would destroy this kid"? This game sucks.

 

The Little League World Series is a complete novelty event that is barely serious at all - its just fun to see a bunch of little kids get the spotlight on TV. At the end of the day all of those kids go to school and live a normal life like any other kid their age. The "sell" of female professional athletics is that it is a professional endeavor no different from men's athletics. The women are professional athletes whose job is to excel in their given sport. It's a little harder to take that "sell" seriously when you realize that in virtually all of those sports, the best women on the planet would, and DO, get beaten badly by teenage BOYS. Not "men" as you put it, but BOYS. The US Women's NATIONAL soccer team (the best women's team on the planet) lost against the FC Dallas Under-15 boys team. Not the "Under-15 National Team", but a regional team of what? 9th graders? The same is true for the Canadian Women's National Hockey team who have played, and routinely lose against random squads of boys barely past puberty. So this isn't even a question of comparing a top female athlete to a top male athlete - it's literally a situation wherein you can say with confidence that there are hundreds of 15 year olds in America alone who are better soccer players than Alex Morgan - or whoever the best professional female American soccer player is.

 

This is what makes their ridiculous cries for "equal payment" even more ridiculous. Not only do their sports make next to no money, but the idea that they should be paid equivalent to their male counterparts is even harder to fathom when you consider that all of these women are at the equivalency of about a good high-school boy.

[saskjayfan]

I do. Same with the CFL.

 

yeah, but you don't understand the game of football, so that factors in.

[Bobthe4th]

The Little League World Series is a complete novelty event that is barely serious at all - its just fun to see a bunch of little kids get the spotlight on TV. At the end of the day all of those kids go to school and live a normal life like any other kid their age. The "sell" of female professional athletics is that it is a professional endeavor no different from men's athletics. The women are professional athletes whose job is to excel in their given sport. It's a little harder to take that "sell" seriously when you realize that in virtually all of those sports, the best women on the planet would, and DO, get beaten badly by teenage BOYS. Not "men" as you put it, but BOYS. The US Women's NATIONAL soccer team (the best women's team on the planet) lost against the FC Dallas Under-15 boys team. Not the "Under-15 National Team", but a regional team of what? 9th graders? The same is true for the Canadian Women's National Hockey team who have played, and routinely lose against random squads of boys barely past puberty. So this isn't even a question of comparing a top female athlete to a top male athlete - it's literally a situation wherein you can say with confidence that there are hundreds of 15 year olds in America alone who are better soccer players than Alex Morgan - or whoever the best professional female American soccer player is.

 

This is what makes their ridiculous cries for "equal payment" even more ridiculous. Not only do their sports make next to no money, but the idea that they should be paid equivalent to their male counterparts is even harder to fathom when you consider that all of these women are at the equivalency of about a good high-school boy.

 

Yeah exactly. People like to watch elite sport, and in the vast majority of sports, that means watching the top level men.

 

Certain sports can be basically different (like basketball - college, NBA and WNBA are all varied enough that someone could watch all 3) but some sports are significantly worse for spectators when the players aren't elite and IMO tennis is especially bad for this.

[Boxcar]

yeah, but you don't understand the game of football, so that factors in.

 

I understand that the CFL sucks and that the only people who care about it live in places where cow tipping is still a pastime. Personally, I'd rather live in North Korea than be a Rough Riders fan.

[Beans]

... why would anyone watch women's sports... ?!

 

I'm not bananas about having female coaches in men's sports either, and share in some of the concerns laid out in the last few pages of this thread, but I like that the debate is now basically those who defend watching women's sports (why I'll never know) and those who see it as not worth their while because female athletes are not doing anything a teenage boy couldn't do

Edited January 20, 2020 by Beans

[Beans]

I've never understood people who make the argument that a female player would lose miserably to mens thus they can't enjoy it. Do you watch the Little League World Series and say "Trout would destroy this kid"? This game sucks.

Unless it were my kin or something, I would never watch a game of little kids playing a little-kids version of an adult sport.

 

(Although I think that part of your IRL job involves watching/working with this stuff, so no disrespect, Hurl.)

Edited January 20, 2020 by Beans

[Deadpool]

I understand that the CFL sucks and that the only people who care about it live in places where cow tipping is still a pastime. Personally, I'd rather live in North Korea than be a Rough Riders fan.

 

CFL is a better game with worse players. 4 downs? My dead grandma can make 10 yards in 4 downs...

 

That being said, all football is boring and terrible and nobody should watch it.

[Brownie19]

It depends on the sport. Things like tennis, golf, curling, soccer - not sure why but I find the women's games entertaining even if they would get destroyed by amateur men.

 

But other sports the quality just isn't there. I could never watch professional women's hockey even if it is entertaining in the Olympics when Canada plays the USA. I guess it's not the fact that a Minor Midget AA team would beat them, the sport is just not as entertaining when women play it. I think baseball would be the same way. The WNBA is that way (haven't tried to watch it in forever though).

 

female curling is the tits.

[Deadpool]

female curling is the tits.

 

[BTS]

It was obviously going to happen, but still sad to see King Felix sign a minor league deal

[Dick_Pole]

Give me something that I can gamble on and win 60% of the time and I'll watch it. Or even better give me a guy with a 60% win rate who posts his picks for free on gaming message boards so that I can tail him, he can watch the games and I can win money.

 

I have never successfully watched a full game of college football, which is definitely more sloppy than the CFL. Yet that is by far my best paying sport I bet on, and people in the U.S. live and die for that s***. So to say that there is not or should not be a market for inferior women's sports is asinine.

[Dick_Pole]

Not one mention of UFC and the fact that women are a legitimate draw there. It's well beyond the novelty or SJW phase. Big difference being weight classes in UFC.

 

I guess if you stopped looking at other sports as pro women's versus 15 year old boys and looked at it as 15 year old boys against adult women who have comparable heights and weights then the comparison doesn't look so egregious.

[jaysblue]

It was obviously going to happen, but still sad to see King Felix sign a minor league deal

 

A move to the NL for him was best.

 

No risk for Atlanta. Could turn out to be a nice signing. Anibal Sanchez turned it around after some bad years in Detroit.

[Terminator]

I'd like to bring this Around Baseball discussion back to female sports if you guys don't mind?

[Terminator]

Could Felix Hernandez strikeout a female hitter?

 

At this point it's debatable. He throws slightly harder than those baseball-playing lesbians in the Pan-Am games do so he could probably K a few.

[jaysblue]

Looks like Nolan Arenado wants out of Colorado.

 

Rockies are such a terrible organization.