Jays acquire Chase Anderson

[DigitalRock]

Plan the parade.

 

Facebook lvl troll post. At least put some effort in bro.

[The Iceman]

So how does our rotation stack at the moment?

Shoemaker

Anderson

Thornton

Borucki

Waguespack

Kay

 

lots of 4s

[Laika]

So how does our rotation stack at the moment?

Shoemaker

Anderson

Thornton

Borucki

Waguespack

Kay

 

lots of 4s

 

The depth is adequate, at least.

 

Shoemaker

Anderson

Thornton

Borucki

Waguespack

Font/Gaviglio/Pannone (opener team is basically a SP)

Kay

Zeuch

Pearson

Perez + Diaz + SRF + Merryweather + Murphy + Hatch + Sopko + Harris + Joey Murray --> upper minors prospects who are most likely relievers but some may be MLB starters

 

It would be wonderful to add two really good SP so the organization can commit to guys like Hector Perez and SRF as relievers from the jump in 2020.

[BTS]

The depth is adequate, at least.

 

Shoemaker

Anderson

Thornton

Borucki

Waguespack

Font/Gaviglio/Pannone (opener team is basically a SP)

Kay

Zeuch

Pearson

Perez + Diaz + SRF + Merryweather + Murphy + Hatch + Sopko + Harris + Joey Murray --> upper minors prospects who are most likely relievers but some may be MLB starters

 

It would be wonderful to add two really good SP so the organization can commit to guys like Hector Perez and SRF as relievers from the jump in 2020.

 

Yeah. The depth is very good right now. A team with designs on winning would have something like:

 

3. Shoemaker

4. Anderson

5. Thornton

BP - Font

BP - Gaviglio

 

AAA - Borucki

AAA - Waguespack

AAA - Kay

AAA - Zeuch

AAA - Merryweather

AAA - Pearson

AAA - SRF (probably in the pen full time)

 

The team has enough depth right now to cut Pannone, commit to SRF and Hector Perez in the pen, and still have a full five-man rotation in AAA with legit MLB upside in 2020. If the team finds a way to add two starters better than any starter they currently have, the rotation would actually be talented and very robust.

[Grant77]

I think that the good pitching depth makes it smart to take gambles on riskier pitchers like Ryu and Pineda that can make a short term impact without harming our long term flexibility.

[BTS]

I think that the good pitching depth makes it smart to take gambles on riskier pitchers like Ryu and Pineda that can make a short term impact without harming our long term flexibility.

 

I'd much rather take a gamble on Ryu than sign a workhorse type like Roark or Porcello. I get that Ryu is objectively better and will cost more, but the team has payroll space, and he's the kind of high variance SP that could help the team contend for a WC spot if a lot of the young bats push.

[Sammy225]

I'd much rather take a gamble on Ryu than sign a workhorse type like Roark or Porcello. I get that Ryu is objectively better and will cost more, but the team has payroll space, and he's the kind of high variance SP that could help the team contend for a WC spot if a lot of the young bats push.

 

Ryu is a very risky purchase. He can/will blow up at any time IMO and you will have to commit a few years to him.

[z3r0s]

It will all come down to years for Ryu. If his durability scares teams off 4+ year offers he's exactly the type of dart-throw we need if we aren't going to go buy a legit ace or #2. It clear that the rotation needs guys for the top, not the bottom, and Ryu at least has a shot at being that.

Then you hope guys like Pearson and Kay can come up and contribute well when needed.

[z3r0s]

It'll be interesting to see what Wheeler gets for years. Guy has been durable enough for the last few years, but I think he's got the 'fragile' reputation that might quash some of the years. I do like him.

[Brownie19]

It'll be interesting to see what Wheeler gets for years. Guy has been durable enough for the last few years, but I think he's got the 'fragile' reputation that might quash some of the years. I do like him.

 

Agreed. He reminds me a lot of AJ Burnett when the Jays signed him.

[BTS]

Agreed. He reminds me a lot of AJ Burnett when the Jays signed him.

 

Man I love AJ Burnett. That FA signing worked out so well.

[Brownie19]

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/instagraphs/chase-anderson-brings-an-improved-cutter-to-the-blue-jays/

[glory]

I'd much rather take a gamble on Ryu than sign a workhorse type like Roark or Porcello. I get that Ryu is objectively better and will cost more, but the team has payroll space, and he's the kind of high variance SP that could help the team contend for a WC spot if a lot of the young bats push.

 

Ryu is the best pitcher without a qualifying offer from the looks of it, so I would agree with this.

 

I'd try to sign Ryu and then try to get a lottery ticket on a one year deal (Pineda, Salazar, Wacha). That covers all bases. A reliable average dependable innings guy (Anderson), someone who can be a top of the rotation starter at his best (Ryu), and then a complete shot in the dark with upside but can't rely on them (lottery ticket). Of course you could replace the latter with another innings eater if the price is reasonable and want to avoid risk. Either one is fine.

[Dick_Pole]

The Jays do not need an innings eater. They have over 1,500 innings worth of 4.50 ERA/FIP guys in that list BTS just laid out. Mother f***er this team would have looked good with Halladay.

[Abomination]

Ryu is the best pitcher without a qualifying offer from the looks of it, so I would agree with this.

 

I'd try to sign Ryu and then try to get a lottery ticket on a one year deal (Pineda, Salazar, Wacha). That covers all bases. A reliable average dependable innings guy (Anderson), someone who can be a top of the rotation starter at his best (Ryu), and then a complete shot in the dark with upside but can't rely on them (lottery ticket). Of course you could replace the latter with another innings eater if the price is reasonable and want to avoid risk. Either one is fine.

 

Ryu and Salazar would look good imo. Of course I'd like Cole, but I'd be pretty thrilled with getting those two.

[Orgfiller]

Ryu and Salazar would look good imo. Of course I'd like Cole, but I'd be pretty thrilled with getting those two.

 

I really think we shouldn't sign Salazar to be a starter. He's pitched like a combined 130 innings in three seasons, had several setbacks this past season IIRC, and the injuries were already piling up from before. If we get him it should be to put him in the bullpen and hope he hasn't lost any stuff from his injuries, he could be excellent there.

 

Fully on board with Ryu, along with Wheeler.

[Abomination]

I really think we shouldn't sign Salazar to be a starter. He's pitched like a combined 130 innings in three seasons, had several setbacks this past season IIRC, and the injuries were already piling up from before. If we get him it should be to put him in the bullpen and hope he hasn't lost any stuff from his injuries, he could be excellent there.

 

Fully on board with Ryu, along with Wheeler.

 

Salazar shouldn't cost a ton. If he goes down, he goes down. I don't really care if it's rotation or BP, but he probably won't sign to be a pen arm.

 

I don't really want Wheeler. I think he's going to cost a lot and never live up to the arm. I mean, if he comes "cheap", of course. I feel like he's looking at 5/100 or more though.

[Sammy225]

Salazar shouldn't cost a ton. If he goes down, he goes down. I don't really care if it's rotation or BP, but he probably won't sign to be a pen arm.

 

I don't really want Wheeler. I think he's going to cost a lot and never live up to the arm. I mean, if he comes "cheap", of course. I feel like he's looking at 5/100 or more though.

 

This is true. There will be a team that will give him a contract and the opportunity to be a starter so thinking grabbing him to be a bullpen arm is very far fetched. I still like to take him as a look and see as he is not going to cost very much and could pay off big time.

[Barkerfan23]

The Jays do not need an innings eater. They have over 1,500 innings worth of 4.50 ERA/FIP guys in that list BTS just laid out. Mother f***er this team would have looked good with Halladay.

 

You know who else would have fit into the top two. Marcus Stroman. Not trying to be a dick about it but stroman and a top of the line starter then kind Pearson might turn into may give you a rotation

[Jimcanuck]

You know who else would have fit into the top two. Marcus Stroman. Not trying to be a dick about it but stroman and a top of the line starter then kind Pearson might turn into may give you a rotation

 

You realize Stroman is a free agent after next season?

[Spanky99]

Salazar shouldn't cost a ton. If he goes down, he goes down. I don't really care if it's rotation or BP, but he probably won't sign to be a pen arm.

 

I don't really want Wheeler. I think he's going to cost a lot and never live up to the arm. I mean, if he comes "cheap", of course. I feel like he's looking at 5/100 or more though.

 

You want Salazar and Ryu, but don't trust Wheeler, you puzzle me Abom? Legit.

[Spanky99]

You realize Stroman is a free agent after next season?

 

You've been trolled, again! Congrats!

[Abomination]

You want Salazar and Ryu, but don't trust Wheeler, you puzzle me Abom? Legit.

 

I'm fine with Wheeler. I just don't want him at the price I think he'll get. I was pretty clear about that.

[G-Snarls]

The Jays do not need an innings eater. They have over 1,500 innings worth of 4.50 ERA/FIP guys in that list BTS just laid out. Mother f***er this team would have looked good with Halladay.

 

Our last ace

[Jimcanuck]

You've been trolled, again! Congrats!

 

I know its the dog, dude. You've responded to him, on occasion.

[Barkerfan23]

You realize Stroman is a free agent after next season?

 

Stroman would be the 4th best starter in this market. I'd take him over Wheeler and Oddrizi any day

[Spanky99]

I'm fine with Wheeler. I just don't want him at the price I think he'll get. I was pretty clear about that.

 

A Wheeler plus Ryu take is about as risk/averse you can get, that'd blow my mind by this FO.

[Dick_Pole]

When you can reasonably expect 10+ WAR from four guys in scarce positions making a combined $2 million, have no long term salary commitments of note and there just so happens to be ample free agent supply to fill out your glaring needs, you can afford to take some risks.

[Spanky99]

When you can reasonably expect 10+ WAR from four guys in scarce positions making a combined $2 million, have no long term salary commitments of note and there just so happens to be ample free agent supply to fill out your glaring needs, you can afford to take some risks.

 

I agree!

[Orgfiller]

Our last ace

 

Our last actual ace was David Price in the second half of 2015. Stroman was merely a very good pitcher.