Offseason Roster Thread 2019-2020

[Laika]

I've watched extensive video of Josh Lindblom all morning long, expertly analyzing his mechanics and repertoire, and I am convinced without any shred of doubt that he is an above average MLB SP, closer to Miles Mikolas than Merrill Kelly. I would bet my life, family, career, and reputation on this. If Toronto does not sign Josh Lindblom I will stop posting on this board and retire from my baseball career, unless he somehow gets an AAV of $10M or more from some other team then it's all good because I was right and they just got outbid by some other team that was hot as f*** for him.

[The Cats Ass]

I've watched extensive video of Josh Lindblom all morning long, expertly analyzing his mechanics and repertoire, and I am convinced without any shred of doubt that he is an above average MLB SP, closer to Miles Mikolas than Merrill Kelly. I would bet my life, family, career, and reputation on this. If Toronto does not sign Josh Lindblom I will stop posting on this board and retire from my baseball career, unless he somehow gets an AAV of $10M or more from some other team then it's all good because I was right and they just got outbid by some other team that was hot as f*** for him.

 

What are you going to do with your DDL team when the Yankees sign him to a $7M per/yr contract?

[Laika]

What are you going to do with your DDL team when the Yankees sign him to a $7M per/yr contract?

 

Trade you all my good players for s***** picks then ghost on everybody

[The Cats Ass]

Trade you all my good players for s***** picks then ghost on everybody

 

Seems like the right thing to do.

[Ray]

Wheeler is headed to the Phillies

[Ray]

[Barkerfan23]

 

Haha

 

The fake news has started

[Bobthe4th]

 

Music to my ears!

 

Drury, Fisher, McKinney, Tellez, Hernandez, and even Grichuk should all be on their last chance. If any have a bad season they should be replaced - it’s not acceptable to have a quarter of the roster at replacement level but kept just in case they take a big leap forward.

[Terminator]

I tend to agree that Grichuk would probably be a non-tender candidate normally but his job is pretty safe after getting a 5 year extension.

[Bobthe4th]

I tend to agree that Grichuk would probably be a non-tender candidate normally but his job is pretty safe after getting a 5 year extension.

 

I don’t think it should be. He’s one bad season away from his contract going from unnecessary to a mistake, and we shouldn’t be rostering a replacement player just because he has long term contract, especially with our payroll flexibility.

 

TBF he only needs to revert to a 2 WAR player to justify keeping him, which is still possible.

[Terminator]

I see what you are saying but it's hard to eat ~40 mil a year. I think at bare minimum he can at least be a 4th OF.

[Todd]

As usually the blue jays on sitting on they asses doing nothing.

Saying the same crap like the list three years. We are talking to this guy

and this guy but no activity. NOT improving this up and coming team.

[devo]

As usually the blue jays on sitting on they asses doing nothing.

Saying the same crap like the list three years. We are talking to this guy

and this guy but no activity. NOT improving this up and coming team.

 

Its December 4 Todd. Come back in February if they haven't done anything and bitch then.

[Bobthe4th]

I see what you are saying but it's hard to eat ~40 mil a year. I think at bare minimum he can at least be a 4th OF.

 

Well Grichuk's deal goes down to $9m a year for 3 years from next season (i.e. 2021) which in total is just over half what we paid Tulo to go away (and he'll only have $4m left from 2021). Different situation of course, but still frustrating if we are forced to keep him around if he continues to suck.

[Bobthe4th]

Its December 4 Todd. Come back in February if they haven't done anything and bitch then.

 

Or not.

[BTS]

I just looked up Grichuk's xwOBA thinking he probably under-performed it, but he actually beat it by a hair. His DRS was also 10 runs worse than his UZR. He probably wasn't even as good as his 0.5 fWAR

[TBJ12]

Its December 4 Todd. Come back in February if they haven't done anything and bitch then.

 

It may be December 4th but the stove is red hot. Everyone is getting more money than projected and I'm legitimately concerned this FO won't have what it takes to pull the trigger and overpay for a legit FA.

 

Shatkins has done a great job with the rebuild, but it's time to start winning. Give Cole or Strasburg the biggest contract ever for a pitcher and let's turn the page on this rebuild

[Terminator]

I just looked up Grichuk's xwOBA thinking he probably under-performed it, but he actually beat it by a hair. His DRS was also 10 runs worse than his UZR. He probably wasn't even as good as his 0.5 fWAR

 

Grichuk suxxx

[THANOS]

It may be December 4th but the stove is red hot. Everyone is getting more money than projected and I'm legitimately concerned this FO won't have what it takes to pull the trigger and overpay for a legit FA.

 

Shatkins has done a great job with the rebuild, but it's time to start winning. Give Cole or Strasburg the biggest contract ever for a pitcher and let's turn the page on this rebuild

 

Interesting that you say that because apparently they have $100M of flexibility that they could spend this OS if they choose to.

 

[TheHurl]

Ross Atkins: “There’s not a free agent pitcher that we haven’t touched base with”

[BTS]

They're saying the right things. Now Ross has to put his big boy pants on and get a deal done.

[saskjayfan]

They're saying the right things. Now Ross has to put his big boy pants on and get a deal done.

 

That would mean overpaying for a guy.

[Abomination]

That would mean overpaying for a guy.

 

As long as it's the right guy.

[BTS]

That would mean overpaying for a guy.

 

Free agents almost always go to the highest bidder. I don't think many people will care about being a bid high on the $/WAR projections or whatever if the player is a good fit.

[jaysguy44]

Who's even a higher end guy that the Jays could sign realistically? Keuchel?

[TBJ12]

Who's even a higher end guy that the Jays could sign realistically? Keuchel?

 

Anyone left on the FA market if Rogers let's them spend.

[Maahfaace]

Who's even a higher end guy that the Jays could sign realistically? Keuchel?

 

Lindblom might actually be better than Keuchel.

[glory]

Wheeler apparently had a higher offer from the White Sox but went with Philly because of location. The Jays are not an ideal location for players, and it’s a bad team in the AL East. Atkins is going to have to give out a contract that he will feel uncomfortable with and exceeds the value the club has placed on that specific player. He might do that on a short term deal, but remains to be seen if he’s willing to tack on an extra year or so to get a player that may be diminishing returns by the backend of the contract.

 

If you look at the big free agents the Jays have signed in the last 15 years, almost all of them were dead money by the last year or two of their deals except Burnett who opted out after 3 years. Ryan, Thomas, Martin, Morales. I don’t think shatkins wants to sign that type of deal.

[Bobthe4th]

Wheeler apparently had a higher offer from the White Sox but went with Philly because of location. The Jays are not an ideal location for players, and it’s a bad team in the AL East. Atkins is going to have to give out a contract that he will feel uncomfortable with and exceeds the value the club has placed on that specific player. He might do that on a short term deal, but remains to be seen if he’s willing to tack on an extra year or so to get a player that may be diminishing returns by the backend of the contract.

 

If you look at the big free agents the Jays have signed in the last 15 years, almost all of them were dead money by the last year or two of their deals except Burnett who opted out after 3 years. Ryan, Thomas, Martin, Morales. I don’t think shatkins wants to sign that type of deal.

 

The really big question is will they be willing to spend when we are ready to compete, and we're a more attractive destination. I think they will, but we'll have to see.

[saskjayfan]

The really big question is will they be willing to spend when we are ready to compete, and we're a more attractive destination. I think they will, but we'll have to see.

 

so when are we going to be ready to compete? If we wait until next year when the market is weak you could overpay for crap.