Offseason Roster Thread 2019-2020

[BTS]

C - Jansen (nm)

1B/2B/3B - Shaw (4)

2B/OF/1B - Biggio (nm)

3B - Guerrero Jr. (nm)

SS - Bichette (nm)

LF - Gurriel (2.5)

CF - Hernandez (nm)

RF - Grichuk (14)

3B/2B/OF - Drury (arb2)

 

C - McGuire (nm)

OF - Alford (nm - out of options)

CF - Fisher (nm - out of options)

2B/SS - Valera (nm - out of options)

 

SP - Ryu (20

SP - Roark (12)

SP - Anderson (8.5)

SP - Shoemaker (arb4)

SP - Thornton (nm)

 

RP - Giles (arb3)

RP - Bass (1.5)

RP - Yamaguchi (~3)

RP - Font (nm - out of options)

RP - Gaviglio (nm)

RP - Romano (nm)

RP - Waguespack (nm)

RP - Borucki (nm)

 

 

Also on the 40-Man

Billy McKinney (nm)

Jonathan Davis (nm)

Yennsy Diaz (nm)

Elvis Luciano (nm)

Julian Merryweather (nm)

Patrick Murphy (nm)

Hector Perez (nm)

T.J. Zeuch (nm)

Anthony Kay (nm)

Santiago Espinal (nm)

Thomas Hatch (nm)

Sean Reid-Foley (nm)

Thomas Pannone (nm)

Rowdy Tellez (nm)

 

 

 

Open 40-man spots

0

 

Projected 26-man Payroll

Guaranteed = 8 contracts: 65.5M

Arbitration = 3 contracts: ~ 14.7M

Near Minimum = 15 contracts: ~ 8.5M

Troy Tulowitzki: 18M

 

Total: ~ 106.7M

Edited January 16, 2020 by BTS

[BTS]

Not sure who has to be added to the 40-man this offseason.

 

I'm guessing Law, Boshers, Travis, Maile, and possibly Drury are non-tendered to clear space.

[z3r0s]

lol, Troy is like 25% of our projected payroll

[KevinGregg]

don't all those dudes on the 40 man but not the 25 man roster make like 50,000 dollars rather than near major league minimum since they are not on major league deals? That knocks about 7.5M off of the projected payroll

[Ziggyy108]

I think they still trade Giles ...

[Ziggyy108]

Grichuk extension was so unnecessary

[glory]

They will definitely trade Giles IMO as long as he's healthy. One more year of expensive arb, closer on a team that isn't ready yet, and was already traded to the Yanks even with injury concerns before Cashman backed out. I'm not expecting much back, but I think he's moved pretty early in the off season.

 

Kay, Hatch, Espinal, Wall, and possibly Taylor (health permitted) will be added to the 40 man. I don't see Drury non tendered. He will be back and play the back up IF role.

[Barkerfan23]

Not sure who has to be added to the 40-man this offseason.

 

I'm guessing Law, Boshers, Travis, Maile, and possibly Drury are non-tendered to clear space.

 

Law and Drury are not getting non tendered. It wont happen

 

This are players Shatkins believes in, they are going to be part of the 2020 Bluejays for sure.

[BTS]

They will definitely trade Giles IMO as long as he's healthy. One more year of expensive arb, closer on a team that isn't ready yet, and was already traded to the Yanks even with injury concerns before Cashman backed out. I'm not expecting much back, but I think he's moved pretty early in the off season.

 

Kay, Hatch, Espinal, Wall, and possibly Taylor (health permitted) will be added to the 40 man. I don't see Drury non tendered. He will be back and play the back up IF role.

 

It’s decision time on a few of the shitbags we’ve been carrying. Travis, Drury, and Maile are optionable but too expensive to keep in AAA, and Urena and Alford are cheap but out of options. Some of these guys have got to go, but I’m guessing a Travis non-tender and Urena DFA are the most likely.

 

Urena in particular has got to go. An out of options Urena is utterly worthless.

[jimedmonds]

who are some good FA targets who can actually get on base at a high clip? I can stomach the losing, I just can't stomach the pathetic .302 team OBP and dearth of any running game. take out Justin Smoak and this team has the worst on base percentage in the entire league.

[Orgfiller]

Here's the notable rule 5 eligible guys that we'll have this offseason:

 

Anthony Kay - acquired in Stroman deal

Santiago Espinal - acquired in Steve Pearce deal last May

Forrest Wall - acquired in Oh deal, 23 y/o, had good year at AA and promoted to AAA

Josh Palacios - 24, had good year in AA in his age 23 season

Thomas Hatch - acquired in David Phelps deal

Curtis Taylor - acquired in Eric Sogard deal

 

Jake Fishman - older (24) lefty reliever who did well in AA

Dany Jimenez - way older (25.7) RHP reliever who posted great numbers in A+ and AA

Bryan Baker - 24 RHP reliever, tall, good strikeout numbers but high walks between AA and AAA

Kirby Snead - 24 y/o LOOGY (?), immaculate in AA, mediocre in AAA, high groundballs, good strikeouts

[Slade]

We've got a pretty big roster crunch coming, a lot of fringe guys need to be moved or unprotected.

 

With Palacios and Wall moving up they need to make a decision on the OF. No point in carrying Davis, Alford and McKinney. That Grichuk contract keeps looking worse.

 

There's some easy cuts with Travis, Urena, Font, Boshers and maybe Taylor.

[Krylian]

We've got a pretty big roster crunch coming, a lot of fringe guys need to be moved or unprotected.

 

With Palacios and Wall moving up they need to make a decision on the OF. No point in carrying Davis, Alford and McKinney. That Grichuk contract keeps looking worse.

 

There's some easy cuts with Travis, Urena, Font, Boshers and maybe Taylor.

 

I don't think those "easy" cuts are going to be as easy as you think...with the exception of Travis and Boshers. I think they really like Font in that openers role and I don't know if they're as willing to let go of Taylor just months after acquiring him. But I could be completely wrong.

[Abomination]

We've got a pretty big roster crunch coming, a lot of fringe guys need to be moved or unprotected.

 

With Palacios and Wall moving up they need to make a decision on the OF. No point in carrying Davis, Alford and McKinney. That Grichuk contract keeps looking worse.

 

There's some easy cuts with Travis, Urena, Font, Boshers and maybe Taylor.

 

I don't think they'll cut Font, although you certainly never know. We can control him for 4 more years I believe, and since he's joined us he's really been excellent. 26.1 innings, 2.39 BB/9, 12.65 K/9, 3.21 xFIP

[Slade]

I don't think those "easy" cuts are going to be as easy as you think...with the exception of Travis and Boshers. I think they really like Font in that openers role and I don't know if they're as willing to let go of Taylor just months after acquiring him. But I could be completely wrong.

 

I assumed Taylor was acquired more as a necessity for Buffalo? With our plethora of catchers making their way up the system it seems like a wasted spot to me. I could be wrong though.

 

I don't think they'll cut Font, although you certainly never know. We can control him for 4 more years I believe, and since he's joined us he's really been excellent. 26.1 innings, 2.39 BB/9, 12.65 K/9, 3.21 xFIP

 

Maybe you guys are right about Font. I'm not really a big fan of relievers that don't fit the traditional mold. He seems more like a one and done guy, he ate up a few innings this year when we had nobody.

[Orgfiller]

I think the 40-man crunch can be broken down into the following categories:

 

Replaceable relievers

Jason Adam

Derek Law

Justin Shafer

Wilmer Font

Ryan Tepera

Buddy Boshers

 

From this group I think Font and Tepera stay, and there's an outside chance Boshers stays.

 

6/7th starters or long men

Sam Gaviglio

Sean Reid-Foley

Brock Stewart

Thomas Pannone

 

Gaviglio stays, SRF probably stays, Brock Stewart is definitely off and Pannone is gone as soon as anyone moderately better is signed.

 

Third Catchers:

Luke Maile

Beau Taylor

 

One will probably stay, or both will be replaced by an outside option.

 

Depth outfielders

Anthony Alford

Billy McKinney

Jonathan Davis

 

I think Davis is DFA'd, probably replaced by Palacios. Alford and McKinney are on the brink, barring any other signings they'll stay. Alford probably gets traded for garbage to a bad team.

 

Utility guys

Brandon Drury

Devon Travis

Richard Ureña

 

Ureña and Travis gone for sure, Drury non-tendered and brought back as a minor league deal. All are likely off the 40-man barring a (really) hot month from the latter.

 

Elvis Luciano

Elvis Luciano

 

No idea what's done with him.

 

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Definitely off: 9

Probably off: 1 or 2

Brink: 2 or 3

[Orgfiller]

I assumed Taylor was acquired more as a necessity for Buffalo? With our plethora of catchers making their way up the system it seems like a wasted spot to me. I could be wrong though.

 

None of our catchers in the lower minors - including Riley Adams - need to be added to the 40-man though, and I think it's safe to say that we'll have 3 catchers on it, even if Taylor isn't that guy.

[Laika]

I think the 40-man crunch can be broken down into the following categories:

 

Replaceable relievers

Jason Adam

Derek Law

Justin Shafer

Wilmer Font

Ryan Tepera

Buddy Boshers

 

From this group I think Font and Tepera stay, and there's an outside chance Boshers stays.

 

6/7th starters or long men

Sam Gaviglio

Sean Reid-Foley

Brock Stewart

Thomas Pannone

 

Gaviglio stays, SRF probably stays, Brock Stewart is definitely off and Pannone is gone as soon as anyone moderately better is signed.

 

Third Catchers:

Luke Maile

Beau Taylor

 

One will probably stay, or both will be replaced by an outside option.

 

Depth outfielders

Anthony Alford

Billy McKinney

Jonathan Davis

 

I think Davis is DFA'd, probably replaced by Palacios. Alford and McKinney are on the brink, barring any other signings they'll stay. Alford probably gets traded for garbage to a bad team.

 

Utility guys

Brandon Drury

Devon Travis

Richard Ureña

 

Ureña and Travis gone for sure, Drury non-tendered and brought back as a minor league deal. All are likely off the 40-man barring a (really) hot month from the latter.

 

Elvis Luciano

Elvis Luciano

 

No idea what's done with him.

 

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Definitely off: 9

Probably off: 1 or 2

Brink: 2 or 3

 

What the f*** did you just say about Brock Stewart?

[Orgfiller]

What the f*** did you just say about Brock Stewart?

 

Found North's alt account.

[Krylian]

I think the 40-man crunch can be broken down into the following categories:

 

Replaceable relievers

Jason Adam

Derek Law

Justin Shafer

Wilmer Font

Ryan Tepera

Buddy Boshers

 

From this group I think Font and Tepera stay, and there's an outside chance Boshers stays.

 

6/7th starters or long men

Sam Gaviglio

Sean Reid-Foley

Brock Stewart

Thomas Pannone

 

Gaviglio stays, SRF probably stays, Brock Stewart is definitely off and Pannone is gone as soon as anyone moderately better is signed.

 

Third Catchers:

Luke Maile

Beau Taylor

 

One will probably stay, or both will be replaced by an outside option.

 

Depth outfielders

Anthony Alford

Billy McKinney

Jonathan Davis

 

I think Davis is DFA'd, probably replaced by Palacios. Alford and McKinney are on the brink, barring any other signings they'll stay. Alford probably gets traded for garbage to a bad team.

 

Utility guys

Brandon Drury

Devon Travis

Richard Ureña

 

Ureña and Travis gone for sure, Drury non-tendered and brought back as a minor league deal. All are likely off the 40-man barring a (really) hot month from the latter.

 

Elvis Luciano

Elvis Luciano

 

No idea what's done with him.

 

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Definitely off: 9

Probably off: 1 or 2

Brink: 2 or 3

 

Luciano will be in Dunedin next season.

[Nofunatall]

C - Jansen (nm)

1B - Tellez (nm)

2B/OF/1B - Biggio (nm)

3B - Guerrero Jr. (nm)

SS - Bichette (nm)

LF - Gurriel (2.5)

CF - Hernandez (nm)

RF - Grichuk (14)

3B/2B/OF - Drury (arb2)

 

C - Maile (arb1)

SS/2B - Urena (nm - out of options)

2B - Travis (arb3)

OF - Alford (nm - out of options)

CF - Fisher (nm - out of options)

 

SP - Shoemaker (arb4)

SP - Thornton (nm)

SP - Borucki (nm)

SP - Waguespack (nm)

SP - Font (nm - out of options)

 

RP - Giles (arb3)

RP - Gaviglio (nm)

RP - Tepera (arb2)

RP - Mayza (nm)

RP - Stewart (nm - out of options)

RP - Law (arb1 - out of options)

RP - Boshers (arb1 - out of options)

 

Also on the 40-Man

Beau Taylor (nm)

Reese McGuire (nm)

Billy McKinney (nm)

Jonathan Davis (nm)

Jason Adam (nm)

Yennsy Diaz (nm)

Elvis Luciano (nm)

Julian Merryweather (nm)

Patrick Murphy (nm)

Thomas Pannone (nm)

Hector Perez (nm)

Sean Reid-Foley (nm)

Jordan Romano (nm)

Justin Shafer (nm)

T.J. Zeuch (nm)

 

Free Agents

Smoak

Buchholz

Richard

 

Open 40-man spots

0

 

Projected Payroll

Guaranteed = 2 contracts: 16.5M

Arbitration = 8 contracts: ~20M (MLBTR projections not yet released)

Near Minimum = 16 contracts: ~9M

Troy Tulowitzki: 18M

 

Total: ~63.5M

 

Tulo is technically owed 14mm next season with a 4mm buyout in 2021. Unless you're just adding it all up as one big chunk.

 

https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/t/tulowtr01.shtml

Edited September 5, 2019 by Nofunatall

[Jimcanuck]

I hope they are not so in love with the position players that they ignore that area entirely.

 

Sure, never a bad idea to grab a couple of versatile free agents to either keep or trade deadline bait, whatever makes sense come July

[Grant77]

None of our catchers in the lower minors - including Riley Adams - need to be added to the 40-man though, and I think it's safe to say that we'll have 3 catchers on it, even if Taylor isn't that guy.

 

I agree that we'll have 3 catchers but the smart play is probably to get that third guy after the Rule 5 deadline.

[glory]

Alford was a top 50ish prospect in baseball prior to 2018. Even though he hasn't lived up to that the past two years, I don't think the Jays get rid of him. They kept Pompey's corpse around for as long as they possibly could get away with it. Alford will likely be on the 25/26 man roster next year. I hope McKinney is the one they end up moving from, as J. Davis doesn't seem like much of anything but at least he has a 4th of skill set (good D, good speed, hits lefties). McKinney is the man of no tools.

 

I definitely agree with keeping eyes open for offensive help. No way should the team be satisfied with what they have. There's some upside there with the non Vlad/Bo position players, but not nearly enough to think we can't add more. The non tender list might expose a decent player because teams don't want to pay actual money to players anymore.

[Dick_Pole]

This is crunch time for Atkins. A ton of money to spend in an era, just like glory said, no one wants to spend money on players. The premium positions are locked up C, 2B, SS with Vlad and Grichuk being passable defensive options for 3B and CF.

 

As far as the desire to not totally disregard the offense, I get that. But if the team has, say, $50 million in payroll space, I'd much rather see $40 million of that spent on pitching. I can go into 2020 spring looking looking at that roster of position players and not be too upset but the pitching is an absolute mess.

 

Any of the DFA candidates that have been debated on here - including Alford and Drury - not a second thought should be given to any of them if Atkins is competent enough to build a good team with depth with the massive payroll flexibility he has. f*** em.

 

I expect a significantly improved roster going into 2020 and if that has not occurred, Atkins absolutely needs to go.

[Dick_Pole]

My personal priority of needs would be:

 

1. SP1

2. SP2

3. 3B with defensive skill (Moustakas)

4. SP3

4. CF or big corner OF bat

[Laika]

Multiple mid-level SP should be signed or acquired (assuming none of the big fish SP will sign here, although Atkins should sincerely try to sway them).

 

Jose Abreu might be a fit? I think they should bring in a 1B/DH especially if Vlad is playing third in 2020.

 

Bringing back Donaldson is interesting to me... give him 2/45 or something like that. I guess he’ll get a QO though and Toronto really isn’t in a position to lose draft picks

[Laika]

Brett Gardner?

[Abomination]

Multiple mid-level SP should be signed or acquired (assuming none of the big fish SP will sign here, although Atkins should sincerely try to sway them).

 

Jose Abreu might be a fit? I think they should bring in a 1B/DH especially if Vlad is playing third in 2020.

 

Bringing back Donaldson is interesting to me... give him 2/45 or something like that. I guess he’ll get a QO though and Toronto really isn’t in a position to lose draft picks

 

Corey Dickerson seems like a good buy-low target. I'd love Ozuna though.

 

We really do need to land a big starter.

[Dick_Pole]

Multiple mid-level SP should be signed or acquired (assuming none of the big fish SP will sign here, although Atkins should sincerely try to sway them).

 

 

In an era where free agents are considering creating their own training camp because there are so many holdouts well into spring training, the conditions have never been better to overcome the "Toronto/Canada effect".