GDT Rangers at Jays Game 2/3

[wk680]

Useless, far better parameters available these days.

 

There is a difference between something being useless (or as you put it 'for know nothings'), and having serious flaws but still being roughly indicative of overall performance. Pitchers' job is to keep the opposition from scoring, so earned runs against are the ultimate score on that. Yes I think FIP and other parameters are very helpful. Poor defense can really hurt pitchers who tend to generate a lot of balls in play. But the bottom line is the greats always have and always will be the ones who have a knack of preventing the opposition from scoring (often from bearing down and being able to pitch out of jams). Yes clutch pitching is real just like clutch hitting. Flame away stat-tards

[Ex Player]

Beautiful win. Combined 5-hit shut out

[Spanky99]

They keep winning, lol

[Abomination]

There is a difference between something being useless (or as you put it 'for know nothings'), and having serious flaws but still being roughly indicative of overall performance. Pitchers' job is to keep the opposition from scoring, so earned runs against are the ultimate score on that. Yes I think FIP and other parameters are very helpful. Poor defense can really hurt pitchers who tend to generate a lot of balls in play. But the bottom line is the greats always have and always will be the ones who have a knack of preventing the opposition from scoring (often from bearing down and being able to pitch out of jams). Yes clutch pitching is real just like clutch hitting. Flame away stat-tards

 

The problem is, you don't really know how well they've performed. In order to do that, you have to compare them with other pitchers. Someone who pitches in Dodger Stadium at night is going to likely have a MUCH lower ERA than someone pitching in Coors. Advanced stats try to put everyone on as level a playing field as possible so we can compare them. Are current advanced stats perfect? No, but they provide us with the best information we have available as fans.

[Spanky99]

There is a difference between something being useless (or as you put it 'for know nothings'), and having serious flaws but still being roughly indicative of overall performance. Pitchers' job is to keep the opposition from scoring, so earned runs against are the ultimate score on that. Yes I think FIP and other parameters are very helpful. Poor defense can really hurt pitchers who tend to generate a lot of balls in play. But the bottom line is the greats always have and always will be the ones who have a knack of preventing the opposition from scoring (often from bearing down and being able to pitch out of jams). Yes clutch pitching is real just like clutch hitting. Flame away stat-tards

 

lol

[wk680]

The problem is, you don't really know how well they've performed. In order to do that, you have to compare them with other pitchers. Someone who pitches in Dodger Stadium at night is going to likely have a MUCH lower ERA than someone pitching in Coors. Advanced stats try to put everyone on as level a playing field as possible so we can compare them. Are current advanced stats perfect? No, but they provide us with the best information we have available as fans.

 

Sure parameters like xFIP or ERA+ adjust for 'park factors' but I still maintain the great pitchers will find a way to get the job done, regardless. The rest will try use a bunch of stats to try to explain away their mediocrity.

[Grant77]

It's hard to understand how the Rangers are a .500 team and we are one of the worst in the league. Things have changed so much recently.

[wk680]

It's hard to understand how the Rangers are a .500 team and we are one of the worst in the league. Things have changed so much recently.

 

The Rangers (like Mariners) had a surprisingly good start to the season with a record of 45-36 at the mid-way point. Seems they disproportionately benefited from surprisingly good output from the likes of Gallo, Pence, Santana and Choo on offense along with Lynn and Minor on the pitching side - but now they are coming back to earth as expected.

[Nofunatall]

Don't forget 1237 start time tomorrow.