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[Bobthe4th]

Yankees reportedly have a 245million 7 year offer on the table for Cole.

 

Not sure if this has been posted yet, but yeeesh.

 

Let’s now see how serious the Angels are about putting a winning team around Trout.

[G-Snarls]

Yankees reportedly have a 245million 7 year offer on the table for Cole.

 

Not sure if this has been posted yet, but yeeesh.

 

Been terrified of Yankees getting Cole

 

Replacing one of their mediocre back end rotation guys is worth so many wins.. and they were already pretty f'n good.

[glory]

I think the Angels would go above 7 years. The question is will the Yankees match that.

[xposbrad]

Been terrified of Yankees getting Cole

 

Replacing one of their mediocre back end rotation guys is worth so many wins.. and they were already pretty f'n good.

 

Why are you terrified? The Jays aren't going to be on that level ever. It's the Angels I'd be worried about since they are more on par with the Jays.

[Spanky__99]

I think the Angels would go above 7 years. The question is will the Yankees match that.

 

So 8/270?

[Abomination]

I wonder if we are a match with a club like the clubs who have a lot of money tied up in starting pitching and are up against the luxury tax.

 

I dont yhink they would move a Darvish but I can see them moving a Quintana or Lester

 

Ofcourse I wouldn't want to give anything of significance it's just eating payroll

 

I wonder what eating the Jansen and Kelly contracts, plus sending Giles to the Dodgers would get us?

[Laika]

Just came here to ask how much of Darvish’s 4/81 people would take on. You’d probably get him for nothing if you ate the entire deal.

 

interesting

 

also, hendricks

[Spanky__99]

 

I like that deal, solid arm for cheap. Jays should get themselves some Robbie Erlin.

[Barkerfan23]

I'd its chatwood we better be getting a prospect

[Key22]

Yankees reportedly have a 245million 7 year offer on the table for Cole.

 

Not sure if this has been posted yet, but yeeesh.

 

The Team that wears the Big Boy pants. Meanwhile the Blue Jays are deciding if they can afford a 2/$8m deal with some fringe nobody by the name of Lindbolm/Lindbalm/Lickdonkeyballs.

 

It doesn't matter - the Jays are a 67 win team. - They would need to sign Cole, Strasburg, Rendon - the two best free agent relievers, retain Giles, and get a competent CF. The Jays will do none of these things because they can't do all of these things. 36 wins behind the Yankees - that is a lot of ground to make up. Beyond Nate Pearson - is there another projected top of the rotation arm in our system who will make the show in the next 3 years?

 

The team with 103 probably signs Cole - the 4th place 67 win Jays will land some butt fungus of a pitcher we will regret signing after we see his first start. And after we get no hit 11-0 by Cole. Let's all get excited by signing Tanner Roark and trading for Chase Anderson - a guy who can't even make it as a full time rotation piece he was so mediocre.

 

On the plus side - My expectations are so low with the Blue Jays for the next 5 years of no higher than 3rd place and no shot at a playoff that I can now sit and enjoy just watching baseball. None of the stress of playoff baseball for me. Does the ole ticker some good.

[Laika]

The Team that wears the Big Boy pants. Meanwhile the Blue Jays are deciding if they can afford a 2/$8m deal with some fringe nobody by the name of Lindbolm/Lindbalm/Lickdonkeyballs.

 

It doesn't matter - the Jays are a 67 win team. - They would need to sign Cole, Strasburg, Rendon - the two best free agent relievers, retain Giles, and get a competent CF. The Jays will do none of these things because they can't do all of these things. 36 wins behind the Yankees - that is a lot of ground to make up. Beyond Nate Pearson - is there another projected top of the rotation arm in our system who will make the show in the next 3 years?

 

The team with 103 probably signs Cole - the 4th place 67 win Jays will land some butt fungus of a pitcher we will regret signing after we see his first start. And after we get no hit 11-0 by Cole. Let's all get excited by signing Tanner Roark and trading for Chase Anderson - a guy who can't even make it as a full time rotation piece he was so mediocre.

 

On the plus side - My expectations are so low with the Blue Jays for the next 5 years of no higher than 3rd place and no shot at a playoff that I can now sit and enjoy just watching baseball. None of the stress of playoff baseball for me. Does the ole ticker some good.

 

With any luck you'll croak this season and then you won't have to suffer the Blue Jays anymore

[Spanky__99]

The Team that wears the Big Boy pants. Meanwhile the Blue Jays are deciding if they can afford a 2/$8m deal with some fringe nobody by the name of Lindbolm/Lindbalm/Lickdonkeyballs.

 

It doesn't matter - the Jays are a 67 win team. - They would need to sign Cole, Strasburg, Rendon - the two best free agent relievers, retain Giles, and get a competent CF. The Jays will do none of these things because they can't do all of these things. 36 wins behind the Yankees - that is a lot of ground to make up. Beyond Nate Pearson - is there another projected top of the rotation arm in our system who will make the show in the next 3 years?

 

The team with 103 probably signs Cole - the 4th place 67 win Jays will land some butt fungus of a pitcher we will regret signing after we see his first start. And after we get no hit 11-0 by Cole. Let's all get excited by signing Tanner Roark and trading for Chase Anderson - a guy who can't even make it as a full time rotation piece he was so mediocre.

 

On the plus side - My expectations are so low with the Blue Jays for the next 5 years of no higher than 3rd place and no shot at a playoff that I can now sit and enjoy just watching baseball. None of the stress of playoff baseball for me. Does the ole ticker some good.

 

Yes, this is an incredibly bad post on the 8th/12/19... lol

[Spanky__99]

Oy yeah, that reminds me, happy GM meetings period folks, basically starts tonight as everyone knows they're all already there. Agents/FA's/GM's and the MLB Twitterfield.

[Key22]

Yes perhaps negative but it's reality. There is this thing called talent. Teams with it tend to win games.

 

The goal is to win the division or at least make the playoffs. If the teams already ahead of you already have much better players than you, and they sign much better players than you sign. Well tell me gow we are supposed to compete. I get that 2020 is a write off but 2021 we are supposed to compete. Help me see it.

[Bobthe4th]

Yes perhaps negative but it's reality. There is this thing called talent. Teams with it tend to win games.

 

The goal is to win the division or at least make the playoffs. If the teams already ahead of you already have much better players than you, and they sign much better players than you sign. Well tell me gow we are supposed to compete. I get that 2020 is a write off but 2021 we are supposed to compete. Help me see it.

 

The Red Sox have payroll issues, and the Rays will trade their best players before they get expensive. If the Yankees get Cole or Strasburg but then they blow our their arm, the Yanks rotation will be suspect.

 

Meanwhile if we get 2-3 starters and 2-3 relievers out of the 10 or so pitching prospects that are close, if Vlad becomes a star, if the young core continues to develop, and we get rid of the likes of Drury and McKinney, we'll have a very different 26 man, still have tonnes of payroll flexibility, and be in position to take a big leap forward. Lots of ifs, but we are not the Orioles - we have good young players, more help on the way, and the payroll space to add players in trade or free agency.

[glory]

[Brownie19]

 

Wow!

 

I'd love to be a fly on the wall in that office.

 

We can't afford Strasburg and Rendon.....we probably would rather keep Rendon, but we certainly can't lose both. More teams covet Rendon...when do you pull the trigger?

[glory]

7/245 for Strasburg according to Jeff Passan.

 

God damn. Cole's going to get $300m.

[Ray]

Strasburg got a deal that most people thought Cole was gonna get.

 

This market is insane.

[glory]

[Orgfiller]

Wow!

 

I'd love to be a fly on the wall in that office.

 

We can't afford Strasburg and Rendon.....we probably would rather keep Rendon, but we certainly can't lose both. More teams covet Rendon...when do you pull the trigger?

 

If you think about it from a fan perspective as well, which I'm sure plays some small part, Strasburg has been the chosen one in DC from the moment he was drafted. With him just winning WS MVP and now the chance to retire with the team he's going to end up as the greatest National of all time which is pretty neat. It's an easy sell for those that might think that's a lot of money for a guy with his extensive injury history, ideally he can avoid sustained injuries in his 30s (unlikely) and have a chance to end up in the HoF. I would bet they'll regret those last few seasons from a financial standpoint but with him being a team legend and all that it's more palatable.

[Abomination]

7/245 for Strasburg according to Jeff Passan.

 

God damn. Cole's going to get $300m.

 

Wow. Strasburg is good, but he's also only surpassed 150 innings in 2 of his last 5 years. That seems like a LOT of risk for that high a contract.

[Ray]

I think Cole is getting $300M over 8 years

[BTS]

If Jacob deGrom is healthy this year, his pre-2019 extension is going to end up costing him over $100M.

[Bobthe4th]

If Ryu has any sense, he waits until Cole and Strasburg have signed because the runners up for them will be tempted to turn around and give him $100m.

[Orgfiller]

We probably should have been more aggressive for Odorizzi.

 

Odorizzi who accepted the QO?

[Orgfiller]

Ya. I think whatever we would have had to offer for him to decline it is going to end up looking like a bargain when all the dust settles (Bum, Ryu, Keuchel).

 

Probably would have had to offer 4 years and an AAV slightly under the QO. Probably 4/60+. But it looks like that type of pitcher is going to be even more expensive going forward. The SP market is shallower next year, the price will only go up I think.

 

Well we're heavily using hindsight here to say this. At the beginning of FA no one knew what the market would be like, and if it followed the last couple of offseasons the Odorizzi probably would have ended up with like a 2/25 deal at best and he'd look like an idiot for rejecting the QO, in fact he was still probably smart to have taken it to guarantee himself a solid one year payout. If the Jays, like I'm sure many teams did, approached FA with the assumption that prices would have been low then convincing Odorizzi to opt out for this 4/60+ and the market stayed quiet (aside from the stars) then they would look like idiots. I don't think this is one case where you could have done anything about it, the player had a tight deadline and him accepting the QO must have meant either teams weren't really allowed to talk to him or he was being lowballed from the beginning.

[Carlos Danger]

If Ryu has any sense, he waits until Cole and Strasburg have signed because the runners up for them will be tempted to turn around and give him $100m.

 

Probably going to re-sign with LAD since apparently Ryu is their fall back plan if Strasburg and Cole are off the board. (Assuming he goes Yankees)

[Brownie19]

Jeff Passan of ESPN reports that the new deal is worth $245 million over seven years. That will be the richest contract ever given to a pitcher (both in total value and AAV), though it won't last long once Gerrit Cole signs. And this deal should only help his position in negotiations. Strasburg opted out of the final four years and $100 million to test the open market. We'd say he did pretty well for himself. Per multiple reports, Strasburg's contract with the Nationals also includes a full no-trade clause. There are reportedly $80 million in deferrals, though Joel Sherman of the New York Post reports that they will all be paid in three years following the completion of the seven-year deal and include interest.

 

Nats deferring $80M - what's new

[Brownie19]

Probably going to re-sign with LAD since apparently Ryu is their fall back plan if Strasburg and Cole are off the board. (Assuming he goes Yankees)

 

Rendon + Ryu probably...