Around Baseball 2019

[Pendleton]

Loving this free agent action

 

Had a feeling we would see some Jays news today but perhaps that will consist of missing out on Wheeler.

[saskjayfan]

 

Jeff Passan

@JeffPassan

 

Right-hander Zack Wheeler and the Philadelphia Phillies are in agreement on a five-year deal worth more than $100 million, sources tell ESPN.

 

I'm interested to hear the final terms on this one...well that dream is over.

[Ray]

Twitter is saying its 5 years and just under $120M.

[z3r0s]

well this year's OS is not boring, that's for sure.

[Orgfiller]

Zack Wheeler went from "not sure if it's worth it to sign him at 4/72 + losing a second round pick" to 5 years over $100M plus the pick attached. His agent did very well for him and this offseason has been crazy, a far cry from the last couple.

[Orgfiller]

Twitter is saying its 5 years and just under $120M.

 

Jesus that's like 5/125-130 with the pick attached. That is a LOT of money for someone who may or may not be actually elite.

[Ray]

Jesus that's like 5/125-130 with the pick attached. That is a LOT of money for someone who may or may not be actually elite.

 

We likely would've had to given him the Corbin contract to actually get him, and I'm not entirely sure that would've been a good decision.

[glory]

I wasn't expecting the Jays to sign Wheeler anyway, but if it's anywhere near $120m over five years, then I'm not holding my breath on the Jays doing anything significant. The other thread is selling me on Lindbolm so maybe that's a good thing.

[Orgfiller]

We likely would've had to given him the Corbin contract to actually get him, and I'm not entirely sure that would've been a good decision.

 

This makes the Corbin contract look like a steal, he was a guy coming off a nearly 6 win season when he entered free agency.

[Ray]

5 years, $118M is the official number

[saskjayfan]

This makes the Corbin contract look like a steal, he was a guy coming off a nearly 6 win season when he entered free agency.

 

yeah, but he didn't have 6 wins combined in the previous 3. Wheeler and Corbin were the same pitcher this year.

[BTS]

5/118 + the comp pick value. Hard pass.

[BTS]

yeah, but he didn't have 6 wins combined in the previous 3. Wheeler and Corbin were the same pitcher this year.

 

That's only true of you look at FIP-based WAR and think Wheeler has a sticky skill set for suppressing homeruns on flyballs. If I had to give one of the two a CY vote for 2019 it would be Corbin without really thinking twice.

[jerb]

 

Ken Rosenthal

@Ken_Rosenthal

 

#WhiteSox’s offer to Wheeler was for MORE than the $118M he will receive from the #Phillies, sources tell The Athletic. As @MarcCarig said, Wheeler’s wife is from New Jersey, and that proximity was an important consideration in his decision.

[saskjayfan]

That's only true of you look at FIP-based WAR and think Wheeler has a sticky skill set for suppressing homeruns on flyballs. If I had to give one of the two a CY vote for 2019 it would be Corbin without really thinking twice.

 

You're completely discounting Wheeler's development potential. 5 118 is a long ways from cheap, but I think he will earn every penny.

[Ray]

 

Ken Rosenthal

@Ken_Rosenthal

 

#WhiteSox’s offer to Wheeler was for MORE than the $118M he will receive from the #Phillies, sources tell The Athletic. As @MarcCarig said, Wheeler’s wife is from New Jersey, and that proximity was an important consideration in his decision.

 

One of the few times in their history where the White Sox are prepared to spend big, and they get turned down. Gotta hurt a little bit.

[Orgfiller]

 

Ken Rosenthal

@Ken_Rosenthal

 

#WhiteSox’s offer to Wheeler was for MORE than the $118M he will receive from the #Phillies, sources tell The Athletic. As @MarcCarig said, Wheeler’s wife is from New Jersey, and that proximity was an important consideration in his decision.

 

That really sucks for the White Sox. They just acquired the top FA catcher who is an elite framer and adding Wheeler would have been a huge boost to their team even at that price.

[BTS]

You're completely discounting Wheeler's development potential. 5 118 is a long ways from cheap, but I think he will earn every penny.

 

I was just responding to you saying that Corbin and Wheeler were the same pitcher last year.

 

But yeah, you're mostly right. If I'm committing to Zack Wheeler for 5 years I'm probably not assuming he takes a leap forward in his age-30 season.

[Grant77]

If we indeed went to 6 figures for Wheeler then I am satisfied with the effort from the FO. This contract is just too much and I'm glad we didn't match or exceed it.

[Abomination]

I was just responding to you saying that Corbin and Wheeler were the same pitcher last year.

 

But yeah, you're mostly right. If I'm committing to Zack Wheeler for 5 years I'm probably not assuming he takes a leap forward in his age-30 season.

 

Wheeler is such a weird case. He has so many above average pitches, yet the results don't seem to back them up. He doesn't have that one unhittable pitch like a lot of top pitchers do, so maybe that's hurting him a little. Maybe he just tends to lose it for an inning where he can't stop the bleeding, then is dominant the rest of the game.

[Orgfiller]

Wheeler is such a weird case. He has so many above average pitches, yet the results don't seem to back them up. He doesn't have that one unhittable pitch like a lot of top pitchers do, so maybe that's hurting him a little. Maybe he just tends to lose it for an inning where he can't stop the bleeding, then is dominant the rest of the game.

 

This seems like a guy that the Rays would get a ton of value out of.

[Ray]

Dylan Bundy traded to the Angels for Isaac Mattson

[TheHurl]

This seems like a guy that the Rays would get a ton of value out of.

 

And he goes from a team that is not investing in Mental conditioning to another team that is not investing in it. Interesting signing for sure. I love seeing the Phillies blow money. Nats fans have to be s***ing right now with Braves and Phils both making big financial moves and the Nats still not rumoured to be the favourite for either Stras or Rendon (although I still think they sign one).

 

NL East is the new AL East but without the front office smarts.

[Nofunatall]

Dylan Bundy traded to the Angels for Isaac Mattson

 

and 3 other prospects. It looks like we're either going to have to overpay either in $$ or prospect capital for any significant pitching this year.

 

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2019/12/orioles-trade-dylan-bundy-angels.html

[Barkerfan23]

and 3 other prospects. It looks like we're either going to have to overpay either in $$ or prospect capital for any significant pitching this year.

 

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2019/12/orioles-trade-dylan-bundy-angels.html

 

Did you actually read the names

 

Just because a player is in minor league does not make him a prospect

 

What the Orioles got back

 

A 24 year old pitcher who wasnt in the Angel's top 30

A 23 year old position player in single A

2 college arms drafted last year in the 6th and the 8th round

 

None of these is a prospect

[Bobthe4th]

[Bobthe4th]

If we indeed went to 6 figures for Wheeler then I am satisfied with the effort from the FO. This contract is just too much and I'm glad we didn't match or exceed it.

 

TBF we don’t know for sure that we didn’t (though it does seems very unlikely). If we offered the same deal as the Phillies there’d be zero reason he’d pick us over them.

[Nofunatall]

Did you actually read the names

 

Just because a player is in minor league does not make him a prospect

 

What the Orioles got back

 

A 24 year old pitcher who wasnt in the Angel's top 30

A 23 year old position player in single A

2 college arms drafted last year in the 6th and the 8th round

 

None of these is a prospect

 

 

Fair enough.

 

I just don't think this FO has the ability to move any "low unproven product" for even an mid tier like Bundy.

[Bobthe4th]

Fair enough.

 

I just don't think this FO has the ability to move any "low unproven product" for even an mid tier like Bundy.

 

Chase Anderson says hi.

[Nofunatall]

Chase Anderson says hi.

 

 

Fair enough.

 

I just don't think this FO has the ability to move any quantity of "low unproven product" for even an mid tier like Bundy.

 

Fixed.

 

Also im pretty sure Chase Anderson's 8m salary had something to do with Milwaukees incentive to move him for basically 0.