Donaldson Aug 31 Trade Thread

[G-Snarls]

Just scrolling up and holy s***, guys were writing novels during the dark times lol.

 

It was sad seeing cornerstone players leaving or being traded for seemingly light returns

 

Stroman seemed to net a decent return, he was the only one

 

Edwin walked (prob should have stayed, both sides would have been better off).

 

But Donaldson and Aaron Sanchez had been hurt so much it didn't feel like they were getting much back. Russel Martin was declining so we couldn't expect much back. Bautista wasn't worth bringing back for the same reason. Pillar was a fan favorite but had minimal value by the time he was traded. Osuna got dumped for a decent closer but older, with health problems and shorter period of control.

 

Plus the Jays were paying gobs of money just to unload Martin and Tulowitzki

 

It was an aging roster and it made sense to trade everyone. But it was also sad and the overall returns didn't make you feel very good about it.

Edited April 4, 2021 by G-Snarls

[Jays24]

It was sad seeing cornerstone players leaving or being traded for seemingly light returns

 

Stroman seemed to net a decent return, he was the only one

 

Edwin walked (prob should have stayed, both sides would have been better off).

 

But Donaldson and Aaron Sanchez had been hurt so much it didn't feel like they were getting much back. Russel Martin was declining so we couldn't expect much back. Bautista wasn't worth bringing back for the same reason. Pillar was a fan favorite but had minimal value by the time he was traded. Osuna got dumped for a decent closer but older, with health problems and shorter period of control.

 

Plus the Jays were paying gobs of money just to unload Martin and Tulowitzki

 

It was an aging roster and it made sense to trade everyone. But it was also sad and the overall returns didn't make you feel very good about it.

 

Totally agree man. I was pretty anti-shatkins for the very reasons you stated. I couldn't stand the middle approach where they weren't trying to win nor were they full out rebuilding. What also got me upset was their approach to almost all the players you mentioned, they all left under bad circumstances where the relationships felt strained.

 

But that just seemed like it was an ownership thing where they didn't want to lose the fan interest. Glad they turned things around to the point we are today because it looked bleak then.

[max silver]

It was sad seeing cornerstone players leaving or being traded for seemingly light returns

 

Stroman seemed to net a decent return, he was the only one

 

Edwin walked (prob should have stayed, both sides would have been better off).

 

But Donaldson and Aaron Sanchez had been hurt so much it didn't feel like they were getting much back. Russel Martin was declining so we couldn't expect much back. Bautista wasn't worth bringing back for the same reason. Pillar was a fan favorite but had minimal value by the time he was traded. Osuna got dumped for a decent closer but older, with health problems and shorter period of control.

 

Plus the Jays were paying gobs of money just to unload Martin and Tulowitzki

 

It was an aging roster and it made sense to trade everyone. But it was also sad and the overall returns didn't make you feel very good about it.

 

Lots of good points here. Only thing I'd disagree with is the Jays being better off if Edwin stayed, they ended up turning the compensation pick into Nate Pearson

[G-Snarls]

Lots of good points here. Only thing I'd disagree with is the Jays being better off if Edwin stayed, they ended up turning the compensation pick into Nate Pearson

 

Ah s*** you're right

 

It's not as simple as comparing $ per WAR of EE vs Morales

[max silver]

Ah s*** you're right

 

It's not as simple as comparing $ per WAR of EE vs Morales

 

Yeah that Morales deal was pure s***, it seems like the Jays missed the memo on handing out big contracts to one dimensional DH types that offseason. Rumors have it that Morales and Gurriel were a bit of a package deal though so in the long run maybe it was worth it. The Jays somehow managed to turn Morales into international bonus pool money, which allowed them to sign Yosver Zulueta. So instead of Edwin they eventually end up with Nate Pearson, Gurriel and Zulueta. Nice tidy piece of business there.

[Virgil_Hiltz]

Yeah that Morales deal was pure s***, it seems like the Jays missed the memo on handing out big contracts to one dimensional DH types that offseason. Rumors have it that Morales and Gurriel were a bit of a package deal though so in the long run maybe it was worth it. The Jays somehow managed to turn Morales into international bonus pool money, which allowed them to sign Yosver Zulueta. So instead of Edwin they eventually end up with Nate Pearson, Gurriel and Zulueta. Nice tidy piece of business there.

 

WOW...quite the haul!!

[Laika]

Obviously I don't think that's a reasonable projection at all based on injury history, age, and lack of performance. He would almost certainly be on the roster bubble at the end of the season for the Indians. He's similar to Sam Gaviglio at the same age and that's not considering the TJS .

 

Julian Merryweather is similar to Sam Gaviglio

 

- Grant77

[Grant77]

Julian Merryweather is similar to Sam Gaviglio

 

- Grant77

 

They were similar in that they were both roster bubble players. That's why the Indians traded him. Good on our FO for recognizing the potential in a player that had little value at the time.

[Jimcanuck]

They were similar in that they were both roster bubble players. That's why the Indians traded him. Good on our FO for recognizing the potential in a player that had little value at the time.

 

It's OK to be wrong.

[max silver]

They were similar in that they were both roster bubble players. That's why the Indians traded him. Good on our FO for recognizing the potential in a player that had little value at the time.

That's not remotely true. Merryweather was a guy with top notch stuff but coming off Tommy John surgery. Gaviglio is the only roster filler of the two.

[Laika]

They were similar in that they were both roster bubble players. That's why the Indians traded him. Good on our FO for recognizing the potential in a player that had little value at the time.

 

Uh huh........

[Olerud363]

Too Bad Mets traded Kelenic a few months before the Stroman trade. If we could of got Kelenic for Stroman that would of destroyed the board permanently.

 

1. Grant disses what could be the greatest ever for Jays... "Kelenic is just the next Billy Mckinnney".

 

2. When Kelenic shows up and is insanely good people call out Grant

 

3. Grant (justifiably) points out he always compared Mckinney to Justin Upton, so he obviously meant Kelenic, was another guy who could be the next Justin Upton.

 

Then what would the board do? I think that scenario would of been checkmate for Grant.

[Grant77]

That's not remotely true. Merryweather was a guy with top notch stuff but coming off Tommy John surgery. Gaviglio is the only roster filler of the two.

 

I get this isn't a super reputable site, but it's a flashback to a point in time where Julian Merryweather was a DFA candidate. It's been brought up many times by media and fans alike.

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/jaysfromthecouch.com/2020/01/27/should-the-blue-jays-dfa-julian-merryweather/amp/

 

The Indians traded him because they had an upcoming roster crunch and he was on the bubble. I commend our FO for recognizing his potential, but it doesn't change the facts of the trade. He wasn't valued as a top prospect by the Indians.

[Olerud363]

I get this isn't a super reputable site, but it's a flashback to a point in time where Julian Merryweather was a DFA candidate. It's been brought up many times by media and fans alike.

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/jaysfromthecouch.com/2020/01/27/should-the-blue-jays-dfa-julian-merryweather/amp/

 

The Indians traded him because they had an upcoming roster crunch and he was on the bubble. I commend our FO for recognizing his potential, but it doesn't change the facts of the trade. He wasn't valued as a top prospect by the Indians.

 

You almost got it, just change it a bit and you are there,

 

"The Indians traded him because they had an upcoming roster crunch and he was on the bubble. I commend our FO, and the sharper board members for seeing what I, Grant could not, and recognizing his potential.

[Grant77]

You almost got it, just change it a bit and you are there,

 

"The Indians traded him because they had an upcoming roster crunch and he was on the bubble. I commend our FO, and the sharper board members for seeing what I, Grant could not, and recognizing his potential.

 

I made no comment on his potential in the quote that we are discussing.

 

If you can show me that you pegged him as an elite reliever at the time of the trade then I will be perfectly willing to commend your baseball acumen. It's hilarious how you guys single me out for having the overwhelmingly common opinion at the time.

[max silver]

I get this isn't a super reputable site, but it's a flashback to a point in time where Julian Merryweather was a DFA candidate. It's been brought up many times by media and fans alike.

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/jaysfromthecouch.com/2020/01/27/should-the-blue-jays-dfa-julian-merryweather/amp/

 

The Indians traded him because they had an upcoming roster crunch and he was on the bubble. I commend our FO for recognizing his potential, but it doesn't change the facts of the trade. He wasn't valued as a top prospect by the Indians.

 

A guy with potential like Merryweather isn't somebody on the edge of the 40 man roster. It's no coincidence that the front office has been talking him up since acquisition, he showed his elite stuff last season when healthy and has continued that into 2021. There are always bubble guys on the 40 man who are DFA fodder, Merryweather has never been close to that as a Blue Jay.

[wilko]

I think we might have won the trade

 

I wouldn't say that yet. Both guys are made of glass. Well Donaldson has glass legs at least.

[Jonn]

I wouldn't say that yet. Both guys are made of glass. Well Donaldson has glass legs at least.

 

We won the trade because he only played a handful of games for Cleveland and did nothing.

[Terminator]

I'm not going to blame anyone for being underwhelmed by this deal at the time but Grant in particular has some real doozies in this thread. He even made a Sam Gaviglio comp!

 

I can't see Merryweather being the return, based on Atkins description. He may not even pitch until half way through 2019 and even then he's certainly nothing close to an impact player. He's the type of guy that you pick up on waivers in ST and try in the bullpen.

 

I think it's someone that they are using or may use on the 25 man roster before the end of the season.

 

Age, injury situation, and mediocre results. There are some positives if you squint hard enough, but a 4.75 FIP doesn't exactly scream impact player. We see guys like this sign minor league deals with ST invites every year. Sam Gaviglio, for example, was a similar age and had better results.<----WOW!!

 

This is perhaps the most lopsided (at the time) Blue Jays trade that I have ever seen. That first Happ deal is up there as well. The FO did an absolutely horrible job with this.right from the start.

[wilko]

We won the trade because he only played a handful of games for Cleveland and did nothing.

 

Maybe he provided moral support from the bench?

[Grant77]

Maybe he provided moral support from the bench?

 

Donaldson was an elite performer for the Indians, with a 147 OPS+.

[Ryu In My House]

We won the trade because he only played a handful of games for Cleveland and did nothing.

 

Absolutely. And it was a medium miracle we could even get a trade in. JD was a mess that year. Merryweather is house money.

[G-Snarls]

Donaldson was an elite performer for the Indians, with a 147 OPS+.

 

Over a grand total of 16 regular season games. And then he completely disappeared in the post season.

[Grant77]

Over a grand total of 16 regular season games. And then he completely disappeared in the post season.

 

That's kind of what you expect when you trade for a guy in September. They were trading for an MVP calibre player over a short period and got exactly that.

[Spanky__99]

Baseball players should claim EI considering their pay is seasonal.

 

lol... this post is awesome!

[Spanky__99]

Relevant to your guys discussion; Atkins on the Jays next 3 years window/expectations, it's on the left hand side of the page in video, scroll to Atkins believes Blue Jays will be competitive in 3 years

 

https://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/

 

Atkins' a boss!

[Spanky__99]

Looking like that JD signing is getting ugly fast with the Twinkies.

[The Cats Ass]

WAR totals

 

JD for Cle: 0.5 in 16 games

 

Merryweather: 0.8 in 10 games, + 6 more years of control?

[wilko]

WAR totals

 

JD for Cle: 0.5 in 16 games

 

Merryweather: 0.8 in 10 games, + 6 more years of control?

 

Plz close thread.

[Krylian]

I will donate $100 to the Radio Scouts podcast if Merryweather does not out-fWAR Billy McKinney in 2019.

 

Did this payment ever happen?