Jays Trade for Yangervis Solarte

[BTS]

I'd almost argue it's a strength now.

 

Yeah. But who knows if Travis will even get past 200 PA this year. Slarte/Diaz probably combine for 500+ PA at 2B.

[Abomination]

Oh god no. Not at that money.

 

Him filling it out nicely and being worth what he'll get are separate issues. I suspect the rumors we've heard are probably not accurate anyway, although he'll still probably get too much.

[saskjayfan]

I guess this means Pearce is starting in the outfield again. The bench looks set with Solarte, Diaz, Zeke, and backup catcher. Pearce obviously won’t start over Smoak or Morales. I guess they will add a RF and that will be it for the position players.

 

I wish we could move Morales and just have Pearce DH and roll with Alford and Hernandez.

[Cbert]

I wish we could move Morales and just have Pearce DH and roll with Alford and Hernandez.

 

I’m hoping we get something like that, too. It would mean the older guys can rotate through DH once in a while, too, while Diaz and Solarte can get plenty of playing time. I’d like to add someone like Cain to the outfield though. We haven’t spent much this offseason, so it’s doable. Cain, Pillar, Alford/Hernandez would be a pretty solid OF.

[glory]

I wish we could move Morales and just have Pearce DH and roll with Alford and Hernandez.

 

Who knows, if the Padres get Hosmer and the Royals want a DH/1B to kill time during their rebuilding, they might find Kendrys at 2/23 doable. They have to spend money on something. That’s a long shot though.

 

The front office likes Pearce and with good reason but he loses a lot of value in LF. Maybe the Jays add someone like Dyson and stick him in RF. That would mitigate some of Pearce’s s*** D.

[GreekFatAss]

Who knows, if the Padres get Hosmer and the Royals want a DH/1B to kill time during their rebuilding, they might find Kendrys at 2/23 doable. They have to spend money on something. That’s a long shot though.

 

The front office likes Pearce and with good reason but he loses a lot of value in LF. Maybe the Jays add someone like Dyson and stick him in RF. That would mitigate some of Pearce’s s*** D.

 

Dump Morales for anything, move Pearce to DH and then basically anything in LF.

[Terminator]

Even if we can't move Morales we should move him to the bench and start Pearce. Very similar bats but Pearce runs like Ricky Henderson compared to Morales. Morales' baserunning alone was worth about -1.0 WAR last year. Pearce also cannot field whatsoever.

[BTS]

Underrated result of this trade: it all but closes the door on a Goins return

[Boxcar]

I don't expect the team to be very god anyway. I think they're doing all they can do given the circumstances: support Tulo and Travis with legitimate MLB players who will be above replacement level if/when they are needed, and doing it without mortgaging the future.

 

I expect there's a very good chance Diaz is better than Tulo and I hope they don't have him ride the bench because Tulo used to be really good.

[P2F]

Underrated result of this trade: it all but closes the door on a Goins return

 

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[Jonn]

Olivares really became an intriguing talent. I was looking forward to his progression. But Solarte will help us. Plays multiple positions, has a little pop, and has a team friendly contract. Infield depth looks good we still need to badly address the Outfield and add another starter though.

[BlueJayWay]

[Spanky99]

http://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/report-blue-jays-acquire-infielder-yangervis-solarte-padres/

[Jonn]

http://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/report-blue-jays-acquire-infielder-yangervis-solarte-padres/

 

I'm trying not to read much into that article. But the fact that Shatkins said he is comfortable with the Outfielders we have to start the season kind of scares the s*** out of me.

 

Full quote:

 

"I think definitely that need remains and that will be one of the holes we look to fill to complement our outfielders," Atkins said. "We also feel as though we have a very good group that could be potentially at triple-A. We feel like we could start the season with the outfielders that we have.

 

"We will definitely look to see if there’s a way to upgrade or compliment our outfield."

Edited January 7, 2018 by Jonn

[Spanky99]

I'm trying not to read much into that article. But the fact that Shatkins said he is comfortable with the Outfielders we have to start the season kind of scares the s*** out of me.

 

Full quote:

 

"We also feel as though we have a very good group that could be potentially at triple-A. We feel like we could start the season with the outfielders that we have.

 

"We will definitely look to see if there’s a way to upgrade or compliment our outfield."

 

"I think definitely that need remains and that will be one of the holes we look to fill to complement our outfielders,"

[Abomination]

"I think definitely that need remains and that will be one of the holes we look to fill to complement our outfielders,"

 

He said he wasn't trying to read much into the article ...

[Bobthe4th]

I wonder if we now see Travis tested in LF in spring training? If it worked it’d protect his dodgy knees a bit more than 2B.

[Spanky99]

He said he wasn't trying to read much into the article ...

 

And I posted a quote he missed?

[Jonn]

"I think definitely that need remains and that will be one of the holes we look to fill to complement our outfielders,"

 

Complimenting doesn't exactly scream confidence. Complimenting suggests to me depth not adding an impact everyday player which we need in either LF or RF. Like I said I'm not trying to read to much into the words but the fact that he said hes comfortable with our outfield situation kind of bothers me. Our Outfield situation sucks.

[Laika]

I noticed a surprising number of Olivares fans kind of lamenting the trade on twitter. I don't really understand it.

 

I get that he has a broad skill set but nothing seems to really stand out. His offensive numbers are fine but they don't even really scream "prospect" to me.

 

He was 32/100 qualified MWL batters by age. He was 22/100 by OPS. That's enough to float my prospect list boat, sure, but really not enough to make me care about trading him for a useful MLB piece.

 

And Solarte seems like such a nice, flexible asset. Conservatively, it's 3 WAR over the next 3 seasons in a heavy UTIL role, for $17.625M. If he tanks they can cut him and save $8M on the last year for a negligible buyout. But even if it's 3 WAR in 3 years that's a bit of surplus value.

 

And the upshot is probably something like 6 WAR in a starting(ish) role in the next 3 years. Significant surplus value!

 

I am just having trouble seeing any argument that the trade isn't a no-brainer.

[glory]

I noticed a surprising number of Olivares fans kind of lamenting the trade on twitter. I don't really understand it.

 

I get that he has a broad skill set but nothing seems to really stand out. His offensive numbers are fine but they don't even really scream "prospect" to me.

 

He was 32/100 qualified MWL batters by age. He was 22/100 by OPS. That's enough to float my prospect list boat, sure, but really not enough to make me care about trading him for a useful MLB piece.

 

And Solarte seems like such a nice, flexible asset. Conservatively, it's 3 WAR over the next 3 seasons in a heavy UTIL role, for $17.625M. If he tanks they can cut him and save $8M on the last year for a negligible buyout. But even if it's 3 WAR in 3 years that's a bit of surplus value.

 

And the upshot is probably something like 6 WAR in a starting(ish) role in the next 3 years. Significant surplus value!

 

I am just having trouble seeing any argument that the trade isn't a no-brainer.

 

Prospect porn is a powerful thing.

[Spanky99]

I wonder if we now see Travis tested in LF in spring training? If it worked it’d protect his dodgy knees a bit more than 2B.

 

Sounds like Atkins has an open mind to it...

 

"We'll see," Atkins said when asked if Travis would switch positions to ease the logjam. "I think first and foremost, we are focused on Devon's health. He is one of the better second basemen in the game when he is healthy, and once we get him to that point and see how the rest of our lineup takes shape, then we'll determine how we start to prepare guys for their playing time in the season. There's still work to do in our offseason."

[Laika]

Eric Longenhagen

‏@longenhagen

Lots to like about Edward Olivares. Good frame, plus run, plus arm, plus bat speed, swing has natural loft. His feel for CF and for hitting are raw. Expands the zone, has issues w/ breaking ball recog. Boom or bust type, bat most influential developmental variable.

[Bobthe4th]

Someone called Jared Carkuff is the 2nd player sent to the Padres in the trade. A reliever apparently.

[saskjayfan]

Prospect porn is a powerful thing.

 

Usually the majority on here are salivating over the prospects they dream about acquiring by trading off our best players. It's funny to see people to discount our own prospects.

[The Iceman]

This is basically how we will become good. Shatkins have 0 risk tolerance. Every small move they make will only be if it's a clear win like this. We will just slowly stockpile players with surplus value.

 

And we are competing with teams that acquire The HR king Stanton for scraps, and Resigned CC and were MILES better in all areas then us before the off season began.

Team needs an upgrade on Zeke if LF. Nice guy, ok player. it is just we have too many OK players in the OF. Need a MASHER!

[Jimcanuck]

Usually the majority on here are salivating over the prospects they dream about acquiring by trading off our best players. It's funny to see people to discount our own prospects.

 

Olivares is not on the calibre of an Alex Reyes

[LGBJ29]

hopefully Ross called Stroman right away

[Krylian]

Atkins on Blue Jays outfield: “We feel like we could start the season with the outfielders that we have. But we’ll definitely look to see if there’s a way to upgrade or complement in our outfield.”

[Hipfan]

Atkins on Blue Jays outfield: “We feel like we could start the season with the outfielders that we have. But we’ll definitely look to see if there’s a way to upgrade or complement in our outfield.”

 

That's called a negotiating tactic. They aren't going to publicly say "We absolutely need to sign an outfielder", it's all posturing. They know they need OF help if they actually want to contend for a WC spot next season.

 

Atkins has done a good job shoring up the infield without spending too much money on it. Now they need an OF, and a SP, and have around 20M left budget wise, if I'm not mistaken.