General 2018 Blue Jays Discussion Thread

[Grant77]

Wouldn't his ability to maintain the same velocity suggest the finger isn't a big issue? (whereas a drop in velocity would suggest it's causing problems). I'm excited to see Grant explain to explain why I'm clearly wrong and how logic is in fact illogical.

 

I fail to see what blisters would have to do with arm speed. I think any logical person would tell you that blisters affect grip and ability to spin the ball, whereas throwing mechanics would have a greater effect on velocity.

[G-Snarls]

Who among the current rookie starting pitchers seems most likely to make the starting rotation next year?

[L54]

Ryan Bouricki seems most likely to begin in the rotation I’d say

[z3r0s]

I have to think SRF and Borucki will be in the rotation.

[glory]

Who among the current rookie starting pitchers seems most likely to make the starting rotation next year?

 

Borucki.

 

I'm not sold on SRF or Pannone. They will have to earn a spot in ST.

 

Paulino is the guy that I am most excited about. If the Baseball Gods keep him healthy, he's my #5 starter.

[Orgfiller]

Who among the current rookie starting pitchers seems most likely to make the starting rotation next year?

 

Barring injury or an uncharacteristic splurge on the FA market Borucki is definitely beginning the season in the rotation. I can see SRF getting a bit more seasoning, specially if he blows up in his last start, but I'd say he has a good shot to begin the year in the bigs as well.

[P2F]

Ken Giles: ‘I’m actually enjoying the game more than I did for my entire tenure in Houston’

 

Giles also said “the communication was lost” with the Astros and it was something that came easy with the Jays. He said, “When I came here, they stayed patient with me. I said hey, I want to work on this thing till I’m comfortable. All right. OK, I’m comfortable, let’s move on to this next thing. Pitching, you can’t just try to fix everything at once. For me, I had to take baby steps to get my groove back. The Jays allowed me to do that. Yeah, the team was out of contention, but it doesn’t matter. It’s still my career. I still have to prove myself. Them being so patient with me, understanding what I want to do, was very, very big.”

https://mlb.nbcsports.com/2018/09/23/ken-giles-im-actually-enjoying-the-game-more-than-i-did-for-my-entire-tenure-in-houston/

[Brownie19]

I fail to see what blisters would have to do with arm speed. I think any logical person would tell you that blisters affect grip and ability to spin the ball, whereas throwing mechanics would have a greater effect on velocity.

 

My bad - here I thought the 52 games his missed this year with a finger contusion (when he got his finger caught in a falling suitcase) would have qualified under "finger stuff" or "finger issues". I'd image the pain, flexibility, strength, etc. from that could impact his velocity.

 

BTW - is there any game by game spin rate stats available to see whether Sanchez has a decreased spin rate since returning from the blister issues?

[P2F]

BTW - is there any game by game spin rate stats available to see whether Sanchez has a decreased spin rate since returning from the blister issues?

 

BrooksBaseball.net has this functionality.

[BTS]

My current feeling is that the likelihood of the young guys making the season-opening 2019 rotation looks something like, from most to least likely:

 

Borucki (near lock)

Gaviglio

Reid-Foley

Pannone

 

I think there's almost no chance of SRF or Pannone making it to start the year. Gaviglio is a bit interesting, because he's acquitted himself reasonably well as a 5th starter over like 120 innings if you think he's run into some poor ERA luck, though I still hope he's in AAA to start the year along with SRF and Pannone.

[Pendleton]

My current feeling is that the likelihood of the young guys making the season-opening 2019 rotation looks something like, from most to least likely:

 

Borucki (near lock)

Gaviglio

Reid-Foley

Pannone

 

I think there's almost no chance of SRF or Pannone making it to start the year. Gaviglio is a bit interesting, because he's acquitted himself reasonably well as a 5th starter over like 120 innings if you think he's run into some poor ERA luck, though I still hope he's in AAA to start the year along with SRF and Pannone.

 

I could see Gavigilio in a long man role, minimizes walks and could hopefully get us through the order a couple times and keep you in a game when the starter has been chased early. Probably going to need someone like that with a younger rotation.

[Laika]

Gaviglio is making a good impression as a potential multi-year rubber arm. Carlos Villanueva vibes?

 

Maybe the bullpen makes more sense for him than AAA. How about Gaviglio in a Rays-esque 1.5 times through the order role?

 

Tim Mayza - The Opener, 1 inning.

Followed by Gaviglio or SRF.

 

Actually now that I'm on the topic... Toronto's 2019 pitching staff, which has a number of young guys and mediocre veterans, is perfectly situated to adopt the Rays formula.

 

Openers (1-2 innings): Mayza, Tepera, Barnes, Petricka, Hector Perez?

Innings Eaters (3-5 innings after the Opener): Pannone, SRF, Gaviglio, Paulino, Guerrieri, Biagini, Lieter Jr..... maybe Perez is better here.

[Orgfiller]

Omg having Tim Mayza in a Ryan Stanek type role would be incredible. I love that idea.

[Spanky99]

My bad - here I thought the 52 games his missed this year with a finger contusion (when he got his finger caught in a falling suitcase) would have qualified under "finger stuff" or "finger issues". I'd image the pain, flexibility, strength, etc. from that could impact his velocity.

 

BTW - is there any game by game spin rate stats available to see whether Sanchez has a decreased spin rate since returning from the blister issues?

 

http://www.brooksbaseball.net/pfxVB/pfx.php

 

For example...

 

http://www.brooksbaseball.net/pfxVB/pfx.php?month=9&day=21&year=2018&game=gid_2018_09_21_anamlb_houmlb_1%2F&pitchSel=543037&prevGame=gid_2018_09_21_anamlb_houmlb_1%2F&prevDate=921&league=mlb

[Brownie19]

http://www.brooksbaseball.net/pfxVB/pfx.php

 

For example...

 

http://www.brooksbaseball.net/pfxVB/pfx.php?month=9&day=21&year=2018&game=gid_2018_09_21_anamlb_houmlb_1%2F&pitchSel=543037&prevGame=gid_2018_09_21_anamlb_houmlb_1%2F&prevDate=921&league=mlb

 

Thanks. I took an arbitrary game in 2016 and another from 2018 and it does appear his spin rates are down. However, it also appears his velocity is down too (based on the 2 games I grabbed)....blah - it needs to be able to calculate an average spin rate from date X to date Y to get a better sense.

[Daniel Labude]

What's the difference between using an opener and taking out the starting pitcher an inning earlier, with a top bullpen arm coming in to face the top of the order presumably when it starts the 3rd time through?

[Bobthe4th]

What's the difference between using an opener and taking out the starting pitcher an inning earlier, with a top bullpen arm coming in to face the top of the order presumably when it starts the 3rd time through?

 

The difference is that an opener guarantees that they’ll face the first 3 hitters in order. You can then adjust how long the traditional starter goes from the second inning onwards. Do it the other way round and it might not line up with the top 3.

[Boxcar]

Omg having Tim Mayza in a Ryan Stanek type role would be incredible. I love that idea.

 

His name is Ryne Stanek

[Orgfiller]

His name is Ryne Stanek

 

You're right, and I knew that too. My excitement got the better of me.

[Pendleton]

His name is Ryne Stanek

 

Did his parents name him after Sandberg? Not an overly common name

[Spanky99]

Did his parents name him after Sandberg? Not an overly common name

 

Yeah he was, it's the Irish variation of Ryan, so essentially Org was right...

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryne_Stanek

Ryne Thomas Stanek (born July 26, 1991) is an American professional baseball pitcher for the ... Stanek's father named him after Ryne Sandberg.

[Brownie19]

why didn't I think of that! Sandberg was my favourite player when I was 10. Maybe I better knock of the wife again.

[Krylian]

why didn't I think of that! Sandberg was my favourite player when I was 10. Maybe I better knock of the wife again.

 

Doesn't have to be the wife

[Abomination]

My bad - here I thought the 52 games his missed this year with a finger contusion (when he got his finger caught in a falling suitcase) would have qualified under "finger stuff" or "finger issues". I'd image the pain, flexibility, strength, etc. from that could impact his velocity.

 

BTW - is there any game by game spin rate stats available to see whether Sanchez has a decreased spin rate since returning from the blister issues?

 

You do have to be a bit careful. I believe before 2017 spin rates were estimated, not directly detected.

[Angrioter]

His name is Ryne Stanek

 

Baratheon or Bastard?

[Brownie19]

Doesn't have to be the wife

 

Always thinking Krylian - that's why I like you.

[Boxcar]

Yeah he was, it's the Irish variation of Ryan, so essentially Org was right...

 

He's not right at all, his name isn't Ryan.

[Spanky99]

He's not right at all, his name isn't Ryan.

 

It was tongue in cheek, mate.

[TheHurl]

why didn't I think of that! Sandberg was my favourite player when I was 10. Maybe I better knock of the wife again.

 

I have two friends with children named Ryne (one a girl). It guarantees their kids will be *******s.

 

 

Worst misuse of mod powers since everything the Swede used to do.

Edited September 25, 2018 by TheHurl

[Laika]

I have two friends with children named Ryne (one a girl). It guarantees their kids will be *******s.

 

You f***ing lovely man.

You absolute stud.

Edited September 25, 2018 by TheHurl