General 2018 Blue Jays Discussion Thread

[Brownie19]

Olerud363 - you're trying to talk sense into Todd and Jim. You'd probably have more success trying to solve who the Zodiak killer is.

[burlingtonbandit]

85 seems optimistic for an old team that lacks depth everywhere but middle infield

 

The other advantage of a clearly sub .500 season is the unloading before the deadline will take place. A .500 team would be the worst outcome.

 

They have depth in the OF and C. Problem is they don't have much impact talent on the position player side. And the pen outside Osuna is horrible.

[Jimcanuck]

Fangraphs has them at 83, only one spot out of the playoffs.

 

The projections take into account age and depth...

 

Or do you think fangraphs forgot to put in aging curves and depth charts?? If so let them know, so they can correct the mistake. They have some really good programmers and if you can point them to the right aging curve and depth chart they can improve their projections.

 

I know they do that, and I know there will be other additions made. Regardless of the relatively minor additions to come, still of the opinion this team is middle of the road or worse.

[Orgfiller]

They have depth in the OF and C. Problem is they don't have much impact talent on the position player side. And the pen outside Osuna is horrible.

 

I disagree on the bullpen. It's not elite but it's not horrible either.

[glory]

The Jays have pretty good depth across the board from the position player side. A major difference over the past two seasons is that a lot of the depth are actual prospects, which at least adds a bit of upside, to go along with the more established performance of someone like Solarte. A lot will depend on how good their starting position players are.

 

Where they lack depth is in the rotation, and that's going to hurt a lot if they insist on starting the season with Biagini as the 5th starter. They need to add at least one SP option, even if it's Brett Anderson or some rec project like Chris Tillman. Build up as much depth as possible.

[KingKat]

So I missed that Orgfiller had accepted my trade yesterday before I accepted Nafro's trade today so I most definitely have enough 2018 picks now.

[Pendleton]

So I missed that Orgfiller had accepted my trade yesterday before I accepted Nafro's trade today so I most definitely have enough 2018 picks now.

 

I don't think this was supposed to go here

[Jimcanuck]

I don't think this was supposed to go here

 

Nope, and I don't think you have responded to my BORED trade offers. Or did you just laugh and hit delete?

[Pendleton]

Nope, and I don't think you have responded to my BORED trade offers. Or did you just laugh and hit delete?

 

Oops I thought I responded to your PM. I'll get back to shortly if that's alright, just want to get through the LoD draft and then I'll have some time to work on my BORED team.

[Jimcanuck]

Oops I thought I responded to your PM. I'll get back to shortly if that's alright, just want to get through the LoD draft and then I'll have some time to work on my BORED team.

 

Sure thats alright. Lets make a deal.

[Dick_Pole]

They have depth in the OF and C. Problem is they don't have much impact talent on the position player side. And the pen outside Osuna is horrible.

 

I disagree on the bullpen. It's not elite but it's not horrible either.

 

I'm just waiting for someone who knows how to do search and sorts on fangraphs to point out that statistically the Jays BP was middle of the ground or better last year. And it will probably be reasonable this year unless one assumes that all three of Leone, Barnes and Tepera perform significantly below last year.

[Olerud363]

The 2018 vision of the blue jays will be the worst team they

have fielded since the begin. They will be lucky enough to

win 50 games this year. And the jays management will

still lair to the the blue jays fans that they are trying to

build a new team.

 

Todd one thing I think you are forgetting in your analysis is that the Jays have Anthony Alford who is extremely under-rated by the projection systems because of his late start and unusual football background.

 

Alford, is probably the best athlete in the system bar none. He also has a great eye at the plate. His minor league stats, show this (.280 .375 .400 or so), but that is only scratching the surface, because Alford was learning so much in the minor leagues.

 

.300 .400 .450 is not out of range for Alford, which with his projected defense could be an impact 6-8 WAR players. There is no telling how great Alford could become if his power develops.

 

So Alford could be the impact player that brings the Jays from 83 wins to almost 90.

 

Alford my friend, Alford, the scouts already like him, the statheads already like him, and he could be the biggest upside wild card in baseball history.

Edited January 18, 2018 by Olerud363

[Brownie19]

I'm just waiting for someone who knows how to do search and sorts on fangraphs to point out that statistically the Jays BP was middle of the ground or better last year. And it will probably be reasonable this year unless one assumes that all three of Leone, Barnes and Tepera perform significantly below last year.

 

I don't think anyone should be predicting how good or bad the Jays bullpen will be this year. I think overall, we have Osuna and then a bunch of guys with arms and options. Leone, Biagini, Tepera, Loup, Mayza, Barnes, Ramirez, Dermody. It's all a crap shoot. We are hoping that 2 or 3 of them perform like Leone and Tepera (pre overuse). If they do - we'll have an average/decent pen. If not, it will blow.

 

Part of me wants to say it would be nice to have another proven, reliable guy (like Joe Smith) - but that was JP Howell last year and he was hot garbage.

[Jimcanuck]

Todd one thing I you are forgetting in your analysis is that the Jays have Anthony Alford who is extremely under-rated by the projection systems because of his late start and unusual football background.

 

Alford, is probably the best athlete in the system bar none. He also has a great eye at the plate. His minor league stats, show this (.280 .375 .400 or so), but that is only scratching the surface, because Alford was learning so much in the minor leagues.

 

.300 .400 .450 is not out of range for Alford, which with his projected defense could be an impact 6-8 WAR players. There is no telling how great Alford could become if his power develops.

 

So Alford could be the impact player that brings the Jays from 83 wins to almost 90.

 

Alford my friend, Alford, the scouts already like him, the statheads already like him, and he could be the biggest upside wild card in baseball history.

 

The biggest IF of all is his health.

[Brownie19]

Todd one thing I you are forgetting in your analysis is that the Jays have Anthony Alford who is extremely under-rated by the projection systems because of his late start and unusual football background.

 

Alford, is probably the best athlete in the system bar none. He also has a great eye at the plate. His minor league stats, show this (.280 .375 .400 or so), but that is only scratching the surface, because Alford was learning so much in the minor leagues.

 

.300 .400 .450 is not out of range for Alford, which with his projected defense could be an impact 6-8 WAR players. There is no telling how great Alford could become if his power develops.

 

So Alford could be the impact player that brings the Jays from 83 wins to almost 90.

 

Alford my friend, Alford, the scouts already like him, the statheads already like him, and he could be the biggest upside wild card in baseball history.

 

 

That's how you troll Todd folks. That's how it's done. Could you imagine if the Blue Jays 103rd ranked prospect broke out and carried the team to the playoffs?

[TheHurl]

I was asked by my boys and board donors at AJ Sports Cards to let you know that Vlad Jr. will be signing autographs at 1:00 pm on January 21st at the Toronto Sports Expo. Located at 3710 Chesswood Dr In North York ON M3J 2W4, the Montecassino has free parking and is easy access near Highway 401 and the Sheppard West Subway Station. Please contact info@torontosportsexpo.com

 

Guests at the Autograph Pavilion:

Joe Sakic

Frederik Andersen

Nikita Zaitsev *

Connor Brown *

Michael Bisping

Yvan Cournoyer

Todd Bertuzzi

Chris Osgood

Roberto Alomar

Vladimir Guerrero Jr

DeVier Posey

[Bobthe4th]

I disagree on the bullpen. It's not elite but it's not horrible either.

 

Yeah 7th bullpen by WAR in 2017. OK there's no Joe Smith anymore, but that's offset by the awful Bolsinger and past it Grilli no longer being here.

 

Outside of Osuna it's OK, some players will be good, some will suck - but that's what relievers do!

[THANOS]

Todd one thing I think you are forgetting in your analysis is that the Jays have Anthony Alford who is extremely under-rated by the projection systems because of his late start and unusual football background.

 

Alford, is probably the best athlete in the system bar none. He also has a great eye at the plate. His minor league stats, show this (.280 .375 .400 or so), but that is only scratching the surface, because Alford was learning so much in the minor leagues.

 

.300 .400 .450 is not out of range for Alford, which with his projected defense could be an impact 6-8 WAR players. There is no telling how great Alford could become if his power develops.

 

So Alford could be the impact player that brings the Jays from 83 wins to almost 90.

 

Alford my friend, Alford, the scouts already like him, the statheads already like him, and he could be the biggest upside wild card in baseball history.

 

LMAO playing with Todd pyro fire I see? I like it .

[Pendleton]

Yeah 7th bullpen by WAR in 2017. OK there's no Joe Smith anymore, but that's offset by the awful Bolsinger and past it Grilli no longer being here.

 

Outside of Osuna it's OK, some players will be good, some will suck - but that's what relievers do!

 

I see the bullpen as a big wildcard at this point. If the plan is to start Biagini then that's a blow to the perceived outlook. A lot will depend on whether some of the stronger performers from last season are for real - definitely lacking in veteran dependability as of now.

[Bobthe4th]

I see the bullpen as a big wildcard at this point. If the plan is to start Biagini then that's a blow to the perceived outlook. A lot will depend on whether some of the stronger performers from last season are for real - definitely lacking in veteran dependability as of now.

 

I agree, but I'd point out that there isn't really any such thing as veteran dependability for non elite relievers. Pretty much every reliever is a wildcard, e.g. I don't think anyone would have predicted that Leone and Tepera would be our best relievers in 2017 outside of Osuna, and J.P. Howell would be so bad that he was DFA.

[Maine Jays]

Todd one thing I think you are forgetting in your analysis is that the Jays have Anthony Alford who is extremely under-rated by the projection systems because of his late start and unusual football background.

 

Alford, is probably the best athlete in the system bar none. He also has a great eye at the plate. His minor league stats, show this (.280 .375 .400 or so), but that is only scratching the surface, because Alford was learning so much in the minor leagues.

 

.300 .400 .450 is not out of range for Alford, which with his projected defense could be an impact 6-8 WAR players. There is no telling how great Alford could become if his power develops.

 

So Alford could be the impact player that brings the Jays from 83 wins to almost 90.

 

Alford my friend, Alford, the scouts already like him, the statheads already like him, and he could be the biggest upside wild card in baseball history.

 

Early favorite for post of the year, if for no other reason than the fact you can read between the lines and hear 'go pound sand, Todd' loud and clear.

[Pendleton]

I agree, but I'd point out that there isn't really any such thing as veteran dependability for non elite relievers. Pretty much every reliever is a wildcard, e.g. I don't think anyone would have predicted that Leone and Tepera would be our best relievers in 2017 outside of Osuna, and J.P. Howell would be so bad that he was DFA.

 

Oh yeah I agree that bullpens are a crapshoot in general, but I'm just saying our's is especially unpredictable with so few guys have tenured success in high leverage roles.

[AledmysDiaz]

There was a post on Reddit from an intern who worked in the Bluejays front office in the Finance Division helping with Revenue Reconciliation. It is a very interesting read.

 

Particularly the poster posted very confidential information:

 

* The break even for the Bluejays is about $250M in cost.

* Rogers expects Bluejays to break even without internally allocating any TV Broadcasting revenue.

 

Thought people here would be interested in reading some leaked high level Jays finance information.

[jaysguy44]

The 2018 vision of the blue jays will be the worst team they

have fielded since the begin. They will be lucky enough to

win 50 games this year. And the jays management will

still lair to the the blue jays fans that they are trying to

build a new team.

 

Prime example of an idiot

[L54]

There was a post on Reddit from an intern who worked in the Bluejays front office in the Finance Division helping with Revenue Reconciliation. It is a very interesting read.

 

Particularly the poster posted very confidential information:

 

* The break even for the Bluejays is about $250M in cost.

* Rogers expects Bluejays to break even without internally allocating any TV Broadcasting revenue.

 

Thought people here would be interested in reading some leaked high level Jays finance information.

 

That was a cool read, thanks for sharing.

[Spanky99]

I'm just waiting for someone who knows how to do search and sorts on fangraphs to point out that statistically the Jays BP was middle of the ground or better last year. And it will probably be reasonable this year unless one assumes that all three of Leone, Barnes and Tepera perform significantly below last year.

 

7th...

 

https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=rel&lg=all&qual=0&type=8&season=2017&month=0&season1=2017&ind=0&team=0,ts&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0

[DigitalRock]

The 2018 vision of the blue jays will be the worst team they

have fielded since the begin. They will be lucky enough to

win 50 games this year. And the jays management will

still lair to the the blue jays fans that they are trying to

build a new team.

 

troll or dumb?

[Abomination]

troll or dumb?

 

The general consensus is both.

[Todd]

You guys can say what you want about me. Make fun of me what ever. Most

of you were not alive when the jays first became a team so shut your mouths. Second

Anthony Alford is one step away from being Dalton Pompey all over again. Good but not

good enough to stick in the show. Come talk to me when he gets 400 or 500 ab bats in one season without

being hurt. On one team.

[Maine Jays]

You guys can say what you want about me. Make fun of me what ever. Most

of you were not alive when the jays first became a team so shut your mouths. Second

Anthony Alford is one step away from being Dalton Pompey all over again. Good but not

good enough to stick in the show. Come talk to me when he gets 400 or 500 ab bats in one season without

being hurt. On one team.

 

1) I was four their first season, d-bag.

2) Age does not equate intelligence. If you need an example, see: Trump, Donald

3) Your fixation with Alford is almost as disturbing as your sentence structure/need to press 'enter' at odd intervals