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G-Snarls Cooperstown

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Dan Straily and the Marlins going to arbitration today over 180k

 

So far players have won 8 out of 14 arbitration cases

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Dan Straily and the Marlins going to arbitration today over 180k

 

So far players have won 8 out of 14 arbitration cases

 

Foltynewicz and the Braves went over 100k last week. I have no idea how you don't end up meeting in the middle.

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Foltynewicz and the Braves went over 100k last week. I have no idea how you don't end up meeting in the middle.

 

I know

 

It doesn't seem like it's worth the bad PR/player dissatisfaction

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I know

 

It doesn't seem like it's worth the bad PR/player dissatisfaction

 

Atlanta has a file and trial policy, which seems like a better long term solution than going back and forth with their players. Folty's agent seems like the one at fault here to put his player through it

jaysfan2014 Dunedin Blue Jays

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2/$16M is high, even for a guy whose K/9IP plummeted in Texas, walks too many batters, and 3.40 ERA is smoke and mirrors..

 

In other words, perfect for the Orioles, who have a lot of issues with pitching, and have given stupid contracts or traded previously for garbage like Hellickson, Miley, Jimenez... Good thing the Jays didn't sign him.. he'll be DFAd or in the bullpen by midseason when he's putting up a 5+ ERA and costing the Orioles games..

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Holy s***, lol... and people are worried about Stroman. :P I have to post this for others that can't get on the link.

 

Rays ace and top pitching prospect trade public jabs, have an interesting relationship

Chris Archer and Brent Honeywell may not be fond of each other

 

 

Brent Honeywell is one of the best pitching prospects in baseball. The Tampa Bay Rays farmhand is currently ranked no. 12 by MLB.com, who grades him as having four potentially average or better offerings, including a screwball that put him on the map in the first place.

 

If it weren't for Honeywell's screwball, his confidence would the thing known best about him. He believes in himself, and that belief benefits him in a sport as at-times defeating as baseball. But that belief can also manifest itself in ways that can rub others the wrong way. To some extent, it seems to be doing just that -- particularly with teammate Chris Archer.

 

You don't normally see a team's star exchange words publicly with (for the time being) a minor leaguer, but that's what happened on Tuesday. Marc Topkin of the Tampa Bay Times chronicled the kerfuffle, with Archer expressing his desire for Honeywell to -- well, stop talking so much:

 

"He talks a lot. I've already told him, until he gets some dirt on his spikes, he needs to keep it down a bit. I'm excited to see him pitch, but you can't do all that talking without ever throwing a major-league baseball in your life.''

 

Honeywell, perhaps not one for reading the room, offered some choice quips of his own. This was the most biting:

 

"I think the biggest thing is for the ace of the staff right now to be the ace, you've got to throw up some numbers out there. Impress me. Impress me. I'm not taking any shots at anybody. I'm not cutting him down. But I think that would benefit in the best way possible. … It's time to go now. This is go time for him this year.''

 

The "numbers" Honeywell was almost certainly referencing are Archer's won-lost record and ERA in recent seasons. Archer lost 19 games in 2016 and has a 31-44 record the past three years. He hasn't had a winning season since 2014. He's posted an ERA of 100 or 101 in each of the last two years as well. Since this is 2018, it shouldn't need to be said that there's far more to evaluating pitching than referencing won-lost record and ERA -- and Archer, to his credit, looks way, way better through more meaningful lenses. Still, woo boy.

 

Topkin notes that both Archer and Honeywell spoke in "conversational tones" and noted time and again how much they respect each other. But it's hard to read the full assortment of quotes without feeling like there's some legitimate animosity there.

 

Honeywell, by the way, spent most of last season in Triple-A Durham, where he managed a 3.64 ERA and a 4.90 strikeout-to-walk ratio as a 22-year-old. He's not expected to break camp with the Rays, but could find himself in the majors sooner rather than later. One thing seems for certain: he won't be intimidated by anything or anyone.

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Can't wait until Brent Honeywell learns the meaninglessness of those numbers on a bad team the hard way.
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Sources: Mets and Jason Vargas have a deal pending physical

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Wow, Honeywell throwing down analysis using ERA and W/L. Lol. Hard to believe a prospect so statistically impressive could be so uneducated about the stats that matter.
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Wow, Honeywell throwing down analysis using ERA and W/L. Lol. Hard to believe a prospect so statistically impressive could be so uneducated about the stats that matter.

 

Well if he used advanced stats which show that Archer is better than his record/ERA indicates then he wouldn’t be able to throw shots.

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Well if he used advanced stats which show that Archer is better than his record/ERA indicates then he wouldn’t be able to throw shots.

 

It's likely he isn't aware or understand those stats, which seems to fall in along with majority of baseball players.

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So Oh ISN'T signing in Texas. Seems like a perfect fit for me. Upside and presumably a cheap contract on no term
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So Oh ISN'T signing in Texas. Seems like a perfect fit for me. Upside and presumably a cheap contract on no term

 

Agreed but why did his deal with Texas fall through?

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Agreed but why did his deal with Texas fall through?

 

Scary MRI. I'd still throw him a couple million.

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