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It's 1/13 apparently.

 

Nice. Dude took a small pay cut and avoided free agency to sign a one year deal. Either he wasn't optimistic about his market this winter or he really wanted to stay in Toronto.

 

I guess when you've made 36M by 34, peace of mind is more important than whether you make 13M or 15M at the age of 35.

 

Fair deal for both sides I think.

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I guess when you've made 36M by 34, peace of mind is more important than whether you make 13M or 15M at the age of 35.

 

Fair deal for both sides I think.

 

Yeah there are some players who want to maximize every dollar, and can't blame them for that, but Estrada clearly values comfort in this case, and it's not like he's not being compensated well at $13mm. Just a matter of how much he may have given up compared to what he could have gotten on the market, but he obviously doesn't care.

 

1/13 is fair. They weren't going to get a comparable starter for that much.

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Yeah there are some players who want to maximize every dollar, and can't blame them for that, but Estrada clearly values comfort in this case, and it's not like he's not being compensated well at $13mm. Just a matter of how much he may have given up compared to what he could have gotten on the market, but he obviously doesn't care.

 

1/13 is fair. They weren't going to get a comparable starter for that much.

 

A lot of people want the money to have a good quality of life, well in his case he feels he has that quality of life, so why risk that for an extra million , two or three...

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I don't even think Marco is only leaving a few mill on the table.

 

He probably gets a 2 or even 3 year deal in free agency.

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95% of the fan590 callers disagree with you

 

"Hey Bob, long time listener and fan of the show, ya know... I think they need to get rid of this Shapro guy.. I think he's a bum stooge, and he keeps trading for (signing) these guys with crappy records, you can't win like that"

 

On topic, thank you front office and Marco for accepting!!

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I don't even think Marco is only leaving a few mill on the table.

 

He probably gets a 2 or even 3 year deal in free agency.

 

Unless he falls off a cliff or is horribly injured he'll get another kick at money next OS. He's leaving it on the table, for now. Its a risk for sure, but its not a given he loses a bunch of cash by doing the 1 year thing at this point.

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Sanchez

Stroman

Happ

Estrada

 

Not bad at all as long as at least 3/4 have decent helthy seasons

 

How high do they aim for the 5th guy?? How much money will be spent on the SP vs corner OF and is there enough for both??

 

Another #2 caliber SP would look awfully good in that rotation

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Available free agent starting pitchers. Not likely any of these guys with opt-out clauses are going to opt out. Some of the club option buyouts could happen though.

 

Brett Anderson (30)

Jake Arrieta (32)

Clay Buchholz (33)

Madison Bumgarner (28) — $12MM club option with a $1.5M buyout

Trevor Cahill (30)

Matt Cain (33) — $21MM club option with a $7.5MM buyout

Andrew Cashner (31)

Jhoulys Chacin (30)

Tyler Chatwood (28)

Jesse Chavez (34)

Wei-Yin Chen (32) — Can opt out of the remaining three years, $52MM on his contract

Alex Cobb (30)

Bartolo Colon (45)

Johnny Cueto (32) — Can opt out of the remaining four years, $84MM on his contract

Yu Darvish (31)

John Danks (33)

Jorge De La Rosa (37)

R.A. Dickey (43) — $8MM club option with $500K buyout

Nathan Eovaldi (28) — $2MM club option

Marco Estrada (34)

Scott Feldman (35)

Doug Fister (34)

Yovani Gallardo (32) — $13MM club option with a $2MM buyout

Jaime Garcia (31)

Matt Garza (34) — $13MM vesting option/$5MM club option (can become $1MM club option based on DL time)

Dillon Gee (32)

Miguel Gonzalez (34)

Jeremy Hellickson (31)

Derek Holland (31)

Ubaldo Jimenez (34)

Ian Kennedy (33) — Can opt out of the remaining three years, $43MM on his contract

John Lackey (39)

Francisco Liriano (34)

Jordan Lyles (27)

Lance Lynn (31)

Wade Miley (31) — $12MM club option with a $500K buyout

Mike Minor (30) — $10MM mutual option with a $1.25MM buyout

Matt Moore (29) — $9MM club option with a $1MM buyout

Jon Niese (31)

Ricky Nolasco (35) — $13MM club option with a $1MM buyout

Martin Perez (27) — $6MM club option with a $2.45MM buyout

Michael Pineda (29)

Clayton Richard (34)

Tyson Ross (31)

CC Sabathia (37)

Anibal Sanchez (34) — $16MM club option with a $5MM buyout

Hector Santiago (30)

Chris Sale (29) — $12.5MM club option with a $1MM buyout

Masahiro Tanaka (29) — Can opt out of the remaining three years, $67MM on his contract

Chris Tillman (30)

Josh Tomlin (33) — $3MM club option with a $750K buyout

Jason Vargas (35)

Jered Weaver (35)

Chris Young (39) — $8MM mutual option with a $1.5MM buyout

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Sanchez

Stroman

Happ

Estrada

 

Not bad at all as long as at least 3/4 have decent helthy seasons

 

How high do they aim for the 5th guy?? How much money will be spent on the SP vs corner OF and is there enough for both??

 

Another #2 caliber SP would look awfully good in that rotation

 

Ohtani plz.

 

Imagine!

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I guess when you've made 36M by 34, peace of mind is more important than whether you make 13M or 15M at the age of 35.

 

Fair deal for both sides I think.

 

I think Marco wants to stick with the organization that really gave him a chance to re-establish himself as a starter, and the fanbase that loves and supports him. He found support and success in Toronto that he had never experienced before and that probably means a lot to him. That and his ERA isn't very attractive this year, so he's probably getting about the same as he would on the open market anyway, maybe less a guaranteed year.

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Ohtani plz.

 

Imagine!

 

Otani & J.D. Martinez would be a pretty decent off-season. I'd be okay with that.

 

ALL ABOARD the JDM Train! I'm driving.

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Otani & J.D. Martinez would be a pretty decent off-season. I'd be okay with that.

 

ALL ABOARD the JDM Train! I'm driving.

 

A new stud corner OF, a 4th OF, and SP 1 or 2 all in 2 signings? I'm in. An OF of Martinez, Pillar, and some sort of Pearce/Hernandez/Alford/Ohtani would sit just fine with me. Any chance we can transplant Goins' healthy legs onto Travis? Then we'd really have something going here.

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I don't even think Marco is only leaving a few mill on the table.

 

He probably gets a 2 or even 3 year deal in free agency.

 

I don't think he gets a 3 year deal in free agency.

Posted
Sanchez

Stroman

Happ

Estrada

 

Not bad at all as long as at least 3/4 have decent helthy seasons

 

How high do they aim for the 5th guy?? How much money will be spent on the SP vs corner OF and is there enough for both??

 

Another #2 caliber SP would look awfully good in that rotation

 

Yeah it's worth the extra salary over a bargain basement signing IMO. Sanchez's finger is a question mark, Happ and Estrada are another year into their 30's.

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Sanchez

Stroman

Happ

Estrada

 

Not bad at all as long as at least 3/4 have decent helthy seasons

 

How high do they aim for the 5th guy?? How much money will be spent on the SP vs corner OF and is there enough for both??

 

Another #2 caliber SP would look awfully good in that rotation

 

Shohei Otani would look quite nice, but, alas..

Posted
Sanchez

Stroman

Happ

Estrada

 

Not bad at all as long as at least 3/4 have decent helthy seasons

 

How high do they aim for the 5th guy?? How much money will be spent on the SP vs corner OF and is there enough for both??

 

Another #2 caliber SP would look awfully good in that rotation

 

I would consider Sanchez a total write-off until he can actually stay on the field. Dude's career is basically over if he can't deal with the new balls.

Posted
Yeah I wouldn't count on Sanchez for 2018. Dude basically lost an entire season to a blister. He needs to prove he can avoid that moving forward before I have faith in him.
Posted

I hear you guys on Sanchez

 

But I'm hopeful

 

I'm not signing two SPs in addition to Estrada

 

I'd like one legit SP 2 caliber guy that I want anyway

 

then also sign a swing man type like Anderson or Chavez as well

 

If Sanchez is no good in spring training the swing man gets a starting spot. If Sanchez is good to go that swing guy starts the year in the bullpen

Posted
The man just said that it's the little things like the fans sticking with him during the down months that made him want to stay here. Love this guy!!!
Posted
Sanchez

Stroman

Happ

Estrada

 

Not bad at all as long as at least 3/4 have decent helthy seasons

 

How high do they aim for the 5th guy?? How much money will be spent on the SP vs corner OF and is there enough for both??

 

Another #2 caliber SP would look awfully good in that rotation

 

Biagini has a 4.17 xFIP as a starter as well and deserves to be on the list. He's had a solid year, he's mainly been unlucky because he has a 58.7% LOB% as a starter which is pretty bad. I think he can be a backend SP.

Posted
The man just said that it's the little things like the fans sticking with him during the down months that made him want to stay here. Love this guy!!!

 

Posted
Biagini has a 4.17 xFIP as a starter as well and deserves to be on the list. He's had a solid year, he's mainly been unlucky because he has a 58.7% LOB% as a starter which is pretty bad. I think he can be a backend SP.

 

I'd be OK with him as a swing guy/ SP6

 

I want to aim higher to fill one more solid starting rotation spot though if possible

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