GDT April 13, Orioles vs Jays - the streak ends today!

[5minutesforframing]

At least the Leafs lost, made the night better, f*** the Leafs.

 

How's your fake life been treating you?

[5minutesforframing]

So my big question is. Where was the bunt squeeze?

I know tulo sucks at running. But Im sure pillar can bunt quite well. Take that risk and squeeze us a win.

 

Pillar can't bunt worth s***.

[fatcowxlive]

That whiney bitch isn't better than Donaldson.

 

Hmm you're right, we'll sort of.

 

In terms of the league Giovinco is hands down the clear MVP over everyone, unlike Donaldson.

 

However unlike Donaldson, Giovinco is not playing in a top league. Giovinco is more like the Eric Thames of soccer, bench player in top soccer league (Serie A = MLB), MVP in a weaker league (MLS = Korean League)

 

However how dare you call Gio a whiny bitch??

[vdubmvp]

At least the Leafs lost, made the night better, f*** the Leafs.

 

f*** off. You too, BTS.

[Jonn]

Hmm you're right, we'll sort of.

 

In terms of the league Giovinco is hands down the clear MVP over everyone, unlike Donaldson.

 

However unlike Donaldson, Giovinco is not playing in a top league. Giovinco is more like the Eric Thames of soccer, bench player in Serie A (top soccer league), MVP in a weaker league (MLS = Korean League)

 

However how dare you call Gio a whiny bitch??

 

Probably because he cries about the cold weather. And blamed his playoff performance on it.

[wk680]

The playoffs won't be easy to make.

 

Famous rant by former Colts coach (was the first year I was living in Indy)

[fatcowxlive]

f*** off. You too, BTS.

 

I'm still happy with the loss, Marner in the score sheet and we took it to OT in DC!

[glory]

If the team does have a down period, the new regime will be crucified by the casuals and media, and AA will be hailed as a hero who never should have been pushed out.

 

Yeah that's the sad part. This new regime actually gave an honest effort to extend the small ass window AA gave them, and the players just got old. It was predictable, but I still held out hope that we could defy age for a bit longer. In hindsight, a freefall after 2016 looked pretty darn likely the moment the Price/Tulo trades happened.

 

AA left a hero rather than staying long enough to become the villain. The Toronto fan base is stupid enough to buy it. Oh well. As long as Rogers let Shatkins do their thing for many years to come, I'm fine with it.

[John_Havok]

The plus for me in all this, when I'm in Toronto in June, the tickets will be dirt cheap.

[fatcowxlive]

Probably because he cries about the cold weather. And blamed his playoff performance on it.

 

He played enough to get them to the finals and he got injured in the semis and tried to play through that injury. TFC is the last team to reach a final of a competition since the Jays in 93

[West Texas Forever]

How's your fake life been treating you?

 

Huh?

[Jonn]

He played enough to get them to the finals and he got injured in the semis and tried to play through that injury. TFC is the last team to reach a final of a competition since the Jays in 93

 

TFC doesn't count for the reason you mentioned before.

[West Texas Forever]

Famous rant by former Colts coach (was the first year I was living in Indy)

 

Classic.

[Willyourememberme]

Let's go Raptors!

[jaysfan2014]

Here's something to chew on--the Red Sox in 2011 went 2-10, almost as bad as the Jays in their 1st 12 games, then through Aug. 31st, they went 81-42... unfortunately, chicken and beer doomed that team...

 

With our pitching, we can turn this around... but the hitting must be dealt with! Whether it requires firing Brook Jacoby or calling somebody from AAA Buffalo, something must be done.. most notably at the leadoff spot.

[wk680]

Here's something to chew on--the Red Sox in 2011 went 2-10, almost as bad as the Jays in their 1st 12 games, then through Aug. 31st, they went 81-42... unfortunately, chicken and beer doomed that team...

 

With our pitching, we can turn this around... but the hitting must be dealt with! Whether it requires firing Brook Jacoby or calling somebody from AAA Buffalo, something must be done.. most notably at the leadoff spot.

 

So the Jays are in good shape as long as they win 1 of the next 3 and can match that 2-10 start! But seriously, that 2011 Red Sox season must be the epitome of the ups and downs of a 162 game long haul.

 

Jays pitching has been respectable - team ERA of 3.98 is currently 16th best in MLB, so yeah if they ever manage to get the offense going you never know where this may go.

[Willyourememberme]

I don't see how you can blame the hitting coach...

 

Gibby's the one asking Barney not to bunt with a runner on 2nd and nobody out.

 

This clown thinks we have the 2015 offense still.

 

Get with the times, manufacture runs, win games.

[Boxcar]

MANYEWFAKCHUR RAWNS

PLAE DA GAEM DA RITE WAI

VETRINZ

BEEG AND STROOONG

 

I see Pat Tablet has a presence here.

[Daniel Labude]

Here's something to chew on--the Red Sox in 2011 went 2-10, almost as bad as the Jays in their 1st 12 games, then through Aug. 31st, they went 81-42... unfortunately, chicken and beer doomed that team...

 

With our pitching, we can turn this around... but the hitting must be dealt with! Whether it requires firing Brook Jacoby or calling somebody from AAA Buffalo, something must be done.. most notably at the leadoff spot.

 

If only Pompey could have stayed healthy.................

[bones10]

sooooo is the season over? I missed this game but seems more or less the same s***.

[Effit]

JD's legs are aging in dog years.

[Stangstag]

JD's legs are aging in dog years.

 

Rogers better sign him to 8 years 180 million or I'm gonna stop watching this trash team.

 

 

/s

[puphood]

Yeah that's the sad part. This new regime actually gave an honest effort to extend the small ass window AA gave them, and the players just got old. It was predictable, but I still held out hope that we could defy age for a bit longer. In hindsight, a freefall after 2016 looked pretty darn likely the moment the Price/Tulo trades happened.

 

AA left a hero rather than staying long enough to become the villain. The Toronto fan base is stupid enough to buy it. Oh well. As long as Rogers let Shatkins do their thing for many years to come, I'm fine with it.

 

I don't know what you were watching but 2016 post July was the beginning of the free fall, this season is just further degradation .......

[glory]

I don't know what you were watching but 2016 post July was the beginning of the free fall, this season is just further degradation .......

 

I'd say September 2016 was the start of it, they were still a good team prior to that.

 

Regardless, AA built a great team in 2015 that probably should have won the World Series that year, but did it at the expense of the years after that. Shatkins/LaCava doesn't get enough credit for 2016's success as without the pitching moves they made (Estrada, Happ, and then Liriano in the 2nd half), that team would have been dead. They probably tried to extend the success against common sense, but s***, Fangraphs thought this was a mid/high-80's win team, so at least on paper it seemed like a good idea to try to win to keep the revenue pouring in while still building the farm. Unfortunately it looks like age might have finally caught up to the team as a whole.

[BTS]

I'd say September 2016 was the start of it, they were still a good team prior to that.

 

Regardless, AA built a great team in 2015 that probably should have won the World Series that year, but did it at the expense of the years after that. Shatkins/LaCava doesn't get enough credit for 2016's success as without the pitching moves they made (Estrada, Happ, and then Liriano in the 2nd half), that team would have been dead. They probably tried to extend the success against common sense, but s***, Fangraphs thought this was a mid/high-80's win team, so at least on paper it seemed like a good idea to try to win to keep the revenue pouring in while still building the farm. Unfortunately it looks like age might have finally caught up to the team as a whole.

 

They've done a beautiful job trying to extend the window without actually borrowing anything from the future. Letting Price and EE go, trading nothing but useless shitbags from the farm, not offering long term deals in free agency etc... they've clearly prepared for a situation where AA's old as s*** core blows up, and it will be interesting to see the pivot if it happens this year.

[glory]

They've done a beautiful job trying to extend the window without actually borrowing anything from the future. Letting Price and EE go, trading nothing but useless shitbags from the farm, not offering long term deals in free agency etc... they've clearly prepared for a situation where AA's old as s*** core blows up, and it will be interesting to see the pivot if it happens this year.

 

Yeah it will come down to what they do with Donaldson. Trading impending free agents to add more talent to the farm (if they are out of it in July) is one thing, but Donaldson is pretty much the franchise altering player. If they move him, the team is not going to be good for a few years at least. If they keep him, then they run the risk of losing him for a bag of chips after 2018 (or whatever the compensation is for losing a FA in the new CBA....3rd round pick???). Plus, if the team ends up being mediocre or trash in 2017, will it really get any better in 2018? What they do with JD will shape everything.

 

I agree with your general point though. They got the team back in the playoffs in 2016 without touching any important prospect (they actually added to the farm in that time), and on paper put the team in a competitive spot for 2017 without losing any prospects either. I suspect they will go on a run soon, but whether it's enough of a run to a) be a legit threat for the playoffs, or be in a spot by July to avoid a Brian Cashman type of sell off, is the question.

[Spanky99]

Yeah it will come down to what they do with Donaldson. Trading impending free agents to add more talent to the farm (if they are out of it in July) is one thing, but Donaldson is pretty much the franchise altering player. If they move him, the team is not going to be good for a few years at least. If they keep him, then they run the risk of losing him for a bag of chips after 2018 (or whatever the compensation is for losing a FA in the new CBA....3rd round pick???). Plus, if the team ends up being mediocre or trash in 2017, will it really get any better in 2018? What they do with JD will shape everything.

 

I agree with your general point though. They got the team back in the playoffs in 2016 without touching any important prospect (they actually added to the farm in that time), and on paper put the team in a competitive spot for 2017 without losing any prospects either. I suspect they will go on a run soon, but whether it's enough of a run to a) be a legit threat for the playoffs, or be in a spot by July to avoid a Brian Cashman type of sell off, is the question.

 

Well, this is a completely different response than what you said earlier, much better. Again this conversation is better suited for late June.

[nextyear]

I don't see how you can blame the hitting coach...

 

Gibby's the one asking Barney not to bunt with a runner on 2nd and nobody out.

 

This clown thinks we have the 2015 offense still.

 

Get with the times, manufacture runs, win games.

 

 

Pillar also had a chance to tie the game with a sac fly with one out but instead started his at-bat in the 9th by swinging for the fences on sinking changeups; it was sickening to watch.

 

But good old Gibbons will say something like "that is the way this team was put together, to hit home runs".

 

For me it is time to record games and watch them quickly within a few minutes instead of spending an agonizing 2 - 3 hours watching nonstrategic Gibbons Blue Jays baseball. Expos and the NL please return to Montreal!

[John_Havok]

Pillar also had a chance to tie the game with a sac fly with one out but instead started his at-bat in the 9th by swinging for the fences on sinking changeups; it was sickening to watch.

 

But good old Gibbons will say something like "that is the way this team was put together, to hit home runs".

 

For me it is time to record games and watch them quickly within a few minutes instead of spending an agonizing 2 - 3 hours watching nonstrategic Gibbons Blue Jays baseball. Expos and the NL please return to Montreal!

 

To be fair, the only way to elevate a sinker is an uppercut swing.

[Terminator]

They've done a beautiful job trying to extend the window without actually borrowing anything from the future. Letting Price and EE go, trading nothing but useless shitbags from the farm, not offering long term deals in free agency etc... they've clearly prepared for a situation where AA's old as s*** core blows up, and it will be interesting to see the pivot if it happens this year.

 

If they have to pivot do they tinker and reload or blow it up?

 

Neglecting LF and 1B this offseason only means it's a hole at those two spots for next season too; this on top of the new holes that open up which happens to be 2 of the 5 spots in the rotation. Doesn't seem like a ton of help is on the way either. Perhaps Pompey, Tellez and Gurriel can contribute.