General 2017 Blue Jays Discussion Thread

[Sammy225]

No reason for JD to be moved out of the 2 spot. 2 Spot should still be for your best hitter.

[Laika]

It's not the worst idea in the world. We get a left handed bat in our lineup who has a good track record.

 

It's pretty close though. A ton of money for probably 0.5 projected WAR.

[Terminator]

I'd love to make a deal with the Dodgers but Puig or Pederson would be expensive.

[Ray]

It's pretty close though. A ton of money for probably 0.5 projected WAR.

 

Not even close. The whole point of the trade would be that you either get salary relief or prospect capital to the point where it makes it worth it to have him for the potential upside. And worst case scenario, we only have him for a couple of months. No long term financial commitment.

[KevinGregg]

Not even close. The whole point of the trade would be that you either get salary relief or prospect capital to the point where it makes it worth it to have him for the potential upside. And worst case scenario, we only have him for a couple of months. No long term financial commitment.

 

Potential upside? What about the potential of him hitting .120/.120/.120 for 100 PA then getting released? All for the chance that maybe he's as good as zeke has been for us?

[Laika]

Better trade target: Jarrod Dyson

Dream trade target: Lorenzo Cain

Biggest risk/reward trade target: Cutch

[Ray]

Potential upside? What about the potential of him hitting .120/.120/.120 for 100 PA then getting released? All for the chance that maybe he's as good as zeke has been for us?

 

You could literally make that argument for any trade where you’re acquiring a player whose stock is low.

 

Liriano was actually a much worse trade than this would be because he was posting a 5.50 ERA in a much larger sample size of 21 starts and 113 IP. Plus he was owed far more money. So we minimized the risk in case he went back to his prior self by asking for two top 10 prospects.

 

Granderson at least is turning it around in May so far. He’s been an above average hitter so that’s a good tell-tale sign. More importantly, he has no commitment past this season.

[Laika]

You could literally make that argument for any trade where you’re acquiring a player whose stock is low.

 

Liriano was actually a much worse trade than this would be because he was posting a 5.50 ERA in a much larger sample size of 21 starts and 113 IP. Plus he was owed far more money. So we minimized the risk in case he went back to his prior self by asking for two top 10 prospects.

 

Granderson at least is turning it around in May so far. He’s been an above average hitter so that’s a good tell-tale sign. More importantly, he has no commitment past this season.

 

Liriano's peripherals and stuff were fine. There was no indication that he had declined. The fact that he was under control for 2017 was a large benefit and probably the primary purpose of the trade.

 

It was simply an awful trade by Pittsburgh.

[Ray]

Liriano's peripherals and stuff were fine. There was no indication that he had declined. The fact that he was under control for 2017 was a large benefit and probably the primary purpose of the trade.

 

It was simply an awful trade by Pittsburgh.

 

He had a 5.28 FIP and 1.62 WHIP in 21 starts with the Pirates. He was giving up 6 hits a game on average and walking everyone under the moon. Would hardly call that fine. The only good indicator he had that was consistent with his previous success was his K% and K/9. Stuff was there, but had zero control.

[Laika]

He had a 5.28 FIP and 1.62 WHIP in 21 starts with the Pirates. He was giving up 6 hits a game on average and walking everyone under the moon. Would hardly call that fine. The only good indicator he had that was consistent with his previous success was his K% and K/9. Stuff was there, but had zero control.

 

This should be a lesson for you in what type of stats are important when predicting future performance.

[Ray]

This should be a lesson for you in what type of stats are important when predicting future performance.

 

Kinda like how the career .253/.338/.471 hitter in Curtis Granderson isn't gonna hit .168 for whole season hey? Especially when said peripherals of his are fine as well.

[Laika]

Kinda like how the career .253/.338/.471 hitter in Curtis Granderson isn't gonna hit .168 for whole season hey? Especially when said peripherals of his are fine as well.

 

If Granderson had a good UZR with a strong batted ball profile and a high walk rate right now, then fine.

 

But he's 36, the batted ball profile sucks, his walk rate is a career low, his defense has been declining for years, he doesn't steal bases anymore. There's a reason his projection for the rest of the season is so bad. You're not smarter than Steamer.

 

So no. Not kind of like that.

[Ray]

If Granderson had a good UZR with a strong batted ball profile and a high walk rate right now, then fine.

 

But he's 36, the batted ball profile sucks, his walk rate is a career low, his defense has been declining for years, he doesn't steal bases anymore. There's a reason his projection for the rest of the season is so bad. You're not smarter than Steamer.

 

So no. Not kind of like that.

 

A shift from CF to a corner outfield spot will help him out defensively.

 

He’s starting to come around offensively in May. He walk rate is up and his power beginning to show a little as well. K-rate is still about career norms.

 

His BsR is 2.1 this season meaning his base running is above average and god knows this team can use some of that.

 

Liriano was far worse when we traded for him over a larger sample size. Granderson has at least turned it around.

[Laika]

You're not smarter than Steamer.

 

hold my beer

 

:rolleyes:

[Spanky99]

This should be a lesson for you in what type of stats are important when predicting future performance.

 

lol

[vilifyingforce]

I mean he isn't anything special but surely useful.

 

 

Not much different then Raffy Lopez no? Lopez changed some mechanics this offseason and has had a monster season so far.

[reedjohnsonfan]

If Granderson had a good UZR with a strong batted ball profile and a high walk rate right now, then fine.

 

But he's 36, the batted ball profile sucks, his walk rate is a career low, his defense has been declining for years, he doesn't steal bases anymore. There's a reason his projection for the rest of the season is so bad. You're not smarter than Steamer.

 

So no. Not kind of like that.

 

He could be but I doubt it. Steamer does seem pretty elementary to be honest.

[KevinGregg]

Steamer does seem pretty elementary to be honest.

 

How would you change it?

[Spanky99]

He could be but I doubt it. Steamer does seem pretty elementary to be honest.

 

lol...

 

[Angrioter]

Trade for Granderson? - lol

 

Zeke is better asset right now

[intentional wok]

lol...

 

 

My girlfriend would leave me for a night with Tom Hardy. Maybe even just for 15 minutes.

[L54]

How would you change it?

 

Rekt

[nextyear]

My girlfriend would leave me for a night with Tom Hardy. Maybe even just for 15 minutes.

 

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I thought that I was commenting on one of Jonn's post.

[Governator]

Did they say who is optioned or DFA'd for Tulo/JD?

[Grant77]

Did they say who is optioned or DFA'd for Tulo/JD?

 

My best guess is Valdez and Coghlan

[Governator]

My best guess is Valdez and Coghlan

 

Well that answers that.

[Jonn]

Did they say who is optioned or DFA'd for Tulo/JD?

 

Smith Jr was optioned already. Valdez is likely to be optioned as well. Or maybe they will get rid of Howell since they never use him but are unfortunately paying him as much as Joe Smith.

Edited May 26, 2017 by Jonn

[Laika]

At least Smith has been as great as Howell has been awful. Free agent relievers!

 

Smith is on track to have a season worth well in excess of $10M, while making $3M

[Boxcar]

what in the f*** happened to Justin Smoak?

[Jonn]

what in the f*** happened to Justin Smoak?

 

Did he get hurt to?