General 2017 Blue Jays Discussion Thread

[Gary]

Smoak, Carrera, Goins, and Saltalamacchia. 4 of the 13 bats don't really belong on an MLB roster, and there aren't even injuries that lead to this. Very frustrating.

 

They're Gibby's boys so that's all that matters.

[Dick_Pole]

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-blue-jays-upcoming-quandary/

 

Jays win projection dropped to 81-81 and playoffs odds fell from 52% to 26% so far this year according to FG

 

I distinctly recall this discussion and erosion of percentages to the mid-20's last year when the team was 19-24. We are owed at least one 11 game win streak this year.

[Brownie19]

They're Gibby's boys so that's all that matters.

 

Enough with that s***. Shatkins already said Goins was kept because he had value on the trade market (and Upton didn't). Salty's bat actually isn't terrible for a backup catcher. It's the catching part that he struggles with.

[Dick_Pole]

Gotta love the Carrera and Goins hate when Carrera has pulled his weight and Goins has 4 PA. Yes dead weight on the bench but you're not going to pinch hit for Bautista, Martin, Travis or Pearce. I

[Terminator]

Gotta love the Carrera and Goins hate when Carrera has pulled his weight and Goins has 4 PA. Yes dead weight on the bench but you're not going to pinch hit for Bautista, Martin, Travis or Pearce. I

 

Yeah I mean I'm bitching about those guys but they aren't really why we are losing. Team needs to hit. But I guarantee you that ugly ass bench will become a problem at some point.

[Gary]

Jays should call up Alford.

[Terminator]

Let's just settle this lineup discussion. Your best hitter bats 2nd and that's Donaldson. The other two bat first and 4th. Bautista has experience so let's put him leadoff and Morales 4th. That leaves 3rd and 5th for our two next best hitters. It doesn't really matter. Let's just go Pearce 3rd and Tulo 5th. Then Travis 6th, Martin 7th, Pillar 8th and whatever corpse you want to put in at 9 (I prefer Zeke).

 

1. Bautista

2. Donaldson

3. Pearce

4. Morales (S)

5. Tulowitzki

6. Travis

7. Martin

8. Pillar

9. Zeke (L)

 

We'll never see it but that's probably what it should be.

[Caper]

The Jays are better then their record. but really only a .500 team. I'm kind of glad how the season is going, because it kinda forces the team into rebuilding. God, at least I hope it does.

[HERPDERP]

The Jays are better then their record. but really only a .500 team. I'm kind of glad how the season is going, because it kinda forces the team into rebuilding. God, at least I hope it does.

 

Juicy prospects man

 

Estrada

Happ

Liriano

Donaldson

Bautista (if he consents)

Grilli

Smith

 

hnnnghh

[Caper]

Juicy prospects man

 

Estrada

Happ

Liriano

Donaldson

Bautista (if he consents)

Grilli

Smith

 

hnnnghh

 

 

Yes. Anything that's not young and you can get rid of... get rid of. Nice draft pick. International draft pool money. Lots of options.

[Pendleton]

Baltimore will give the ball to Alec Asher against us tomorrow. It came down to him and Jayson Aquino but they decided the righty will have more success against our lineup.

[glory]

The Jays are better then their record. but really only a .500 team. I'm kind of glad how the season is going, because it kinda forces the team into rebuilding. God, at least I hope it does.

 

Agreed. My fear is that they will go on a bit of a run to get back to .500 and then kind of stay there the entire year. That will accomplish nothing except keeping them close enough to the 2nd WC to not start selling pieces off.

[Spanky99]

Do you guys f***ing hear yourselves? "I'm kind of glad how the season is going" "Agreed. My fear is that they will go on a bit of a run to get back to .500" *smh* Yeah, contending for the PS sucks!?!? No-one's happy at this start, but c'mon!

[glory]

Do you guys f***ing hear yourselves? "I'm kind of glad how the season is going" "Agreed. My fear is that they will go on a bit of a run to get back to .500" *smh* Yeah, contending for the PS sucks!?!? No-one's happy at this start, but c'mon!

 

The 22 year drought had enough .500 seasons that I really don't care to see another one.

 

If they want to go on a massive run to be in the 90 win conversation, then I'll take that over any other alternative, but I'm not expecting that after a 1-8 start where the offence is picking up where they left off at the end of last season.

 

I think the point is if the Jays are not going to make the playoffs, then it's better for them to be bad than to be average.

[Spanky99]

The 22 year drought had enough .500 seasons that I really don't care to see another one.

 

If they want to go on a massive run to be in the 90 win conversation, then I'll take that over any other alternative, but I'm not expecting that after a 1-8 start where the offence is picking up where they left off at the end of last season.

 

I think the point is if the Jays are not going to make the playoffs, then it's better for them to be bad than to be average.

 

And that conversation is better timed in a couple months, lol. You really think the teams performance on the field going forward care about what a few people on a message board think. If it happens it happens, I'm sure our FO have a grip on this.

[Jonn]

So Donaldson is most likely being placed on the DL who comes up Ty Kelly or Coghlan?

[Daniel Labude]

So Donaldson is most likely being placed on the DL who comes up Ty Kelly or Coghlan?

 

An outfielder....they will play Goins or Barney at 3rd.....at least that's what it seems they will do

[glory]

And that conversation is better timed in a couple months, lol. You really think the teams performance on the field going forward care about what a few people on a message board think. If it happens it happens, I'm sure our FO have a grip on this.

 

I don't think anyone really *wants* it to happen. Winning a World Series is what everyone wants, or should want. But a bad start like this will get people talking about contingency plans, and that's all it is at this point. Shatkins are smart. They won't concede anything unless the on field product is bad enough to justify it. Some times you have to hit rock bottom to see positive change, and if the Jays are still bad two months from now, then that's all people are speculating on.

[SaskJaysFan_2]

I think I agree with many of you.

 

A middling year is the worst possible scenario.

 

Ideally, 91+ wins would be awesome. But honestly, do any of you really expect that?

 

A poor season forces some changes that the FO has probably wanted for a while. I can't imagine the prospect/youth haul this org would get selling off the list of vets outlined by someone above. It would be obscene. And I would rather watch a young club struggle knowing that the future is bright than this old club struggle.

[Jimcanuck]

Juicy prospects man

 

Estrada

Happ

Liriano

Donaldson

Bautista (if he consents)

Grilli

Smith

 

hnnnghh

 

Smoak? Goins?

[Spanky99]

New as expected... not official as of yet!

 

Fri, Apr 14

 

Jon Morosi of MLB Network reports that the Blue Jays are expected to place Josh Donaldson (calf) on the disabled list.

 

Donaldson first injured his right calf during spring training and he aggravated the injury on Sunday and again on Thursday. It's unclear at this point how long he might be sidelined, but clearly some rest is in need here. Darwin Barney and Ryan Goins are likely to hold down third base while Donaldson is on the shelf.

 

More: Jon Morosi on Twitter

[xposbrad]

Juicy prospects man

 

Estrada

Happ

Liriano

Donaldson

Bautista (if he consents)

Grilli

Smith

 

hnnnghh

 

Except only Donaldson on that list can bring in decent prospects. Happ/Estrada, maybe a B level prospect, depending what they do until the deadline, but you are going to have to eat salary to trade JB at this point. That's the problem, the White Sox had assets to trade that were late 20s, team control, and actually star players, Jays only have 1 player and he's not even signed long term. If this club keeps Donaldson when they will not be competing for minimum 3 years if not more, it will be a VERY long unsuccessful road of mediocrity.

[Bobthe4th]

We're not even half way through April, it's far too early to write off the season.

 

There is zero chance that Pearce, Martin, Travis and Bautista will all fail to improve with their bats. One or more start hitting and we can start winning games.

 

With a bit of luck our record would look more reasonable, a few extra hits and we could easily be 4-5 or similar. It's not like we're getting blown out every game.

 

Agree that something needs to change to give us a lift, not sure what that should be - signing someone like Pagan?

[KingKat]

We're not even half way through April, it's far too early to write off the season.

 

There is zero chance that Pearce, Martin, Travis and Bautista will all fail to improve with their bats. One or more start hitting and we can start winning games.

 

With a bit of luck our record would look more reasonable, a few extra hits and we could easily be 4-5 or similar. It's not like we're getting blown out every game.

 

Agree that something needs to change to give us a lift, not sure what that should be - signing someone like Pagan?

 

I'm not opposed to Pagan but I doubt another guy who is short on reps is going to jump start the offense in the short term.

[Bobthe4th]

I'm not opposed to Pagan but I doubt another guy who is short on reps is going to jump start the offense in the short term.

 

Yeah I haven't wanted Pagan at any point, I think he's overrated by many in this board.

 

But signing someone who is available is an easy way to introduce something new. The big worry is that if the losing continues for another week it starts to get in the players' heads. Who knows if something else like a lineup change can kickstart a run instead.

[jaysfan2014]

OF/INF Chris Coghlan on his way to Toronto.

 

[Terminator]

^He should start in LF against righties.

[jaysfan2014]

At least Coghlan knows how to take a walk.. with strong BB% rates and a little speed.. shocking the Jays waited till game #10 to call him up..

[Grant77]

^He should start in LF against righties.

 

It's worth noting that he started games at third base in Buffalo. He may get a shot there with the big club.

[Boxcar]

I just want a LF that isn't Ezequiel Carrera. If the Mets are planning to just waste Conforto, I'd freaking love it if we could trade for him and then DFA Smoak.