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[Bobthe4th]

He served 3 years in jail for running a guy over and almost killing him. He also beat a kid up up with a golf club while yelling "I'm Matt f***ing Bush". Do you think he'd be able to get an "office job"?

 

No, and you can make a good argument that what he did should have prevented him from a career in baseball.

[Spanky99]

No, and you can make a good argument that what he did should have prevented him from a career in baseball.

 

So where do rehabilitated people turn?

[Bobthe4th]

So where do rehabilitated people turn?

 

The reason he's not in prison is because he was only 15 when the abuse was stopped.

 

However, what he did was so abhorrent that there will be consequences for the rest of his life. One of those will be registering as a sex offender which in turn will exclude certain jobs. I'd argue that those jobs should include professional sports.

[Maahfaace]

Holy f*** this ump in cubs rockies game is blind. 2 pitches now center cut he's called balls.

[Spanky99]

The reason he's not in prison is because he was only 15 when the abuse was stopped.

 

However, what he did was so abhorrent that there will be consequences for the rest of his life. One of those will be registering as a sex offender which in turn will exclude certain jobs. I'd argue that those jobs should include professional sports.

 

I'm not up to snuff on this stuff, mate, I'm asking you where do these people turn? Especially a 15 year old offender.(I do think the crime is heinous)

[Spanky99]

Holy f*** this ump in cubs rockies game is blind. 2 pitches now center cut he's called balls.

 

Was funny when Rizzo walked off like he was out, lol.

[Brownie19]

Doesn't really change his point. He couldn't get a regular job with that resume either.

 

People are way too vengeful. It's scary seeing a thread like this where people self righteously deem that a guy should basically kill himself for a crime he committed, or at least be exiled to the wilderness. If he's not in jail, then he's not deemed to be a threat. He should have opportunities to better himself.

 

Some of you people make me sick.

 

I don't pretend to have enough information to debate this, but most people would point to the reality that many criminals who are let back into society become repeat offenders (whether that's because of the situation we put them in - or simply because they are a moronic POS who don't deserve to be part of society). What % become repeat offenders? I don't know, but what % is too much? If there are 100 registered sex offenders and only 15% repeat - that's 15 more kids that are molested by some f***ing wacko. IMO, that's 15 more than we should ever allow....especially when the "upside" is to simply let 85 registered sex offenders back into society...

 

I'd say about 2 years ago now, a registered child molester, who's been convinced multiple times, who apparently said in court that if set free that he would molest again, was relocated from Saskatchewan to rural Ontario - some 15-20 minutes from my house. It's f***ing scary and creepy.

[Maahfaace]

I'm not up to snuff on this stuff, mate, I'm asking you where do these people turn?

 

If you decide to finger blast a kid, that decision should, without a doubt, negatively affect the rest of your life. If I was in the same room as this f***tard I'd smash his face to bits.

[Bobthe4th]

I'm not up to snuff on this stuff, mate, I'm asking you where do these people turn?

 

Gotcha, there are plenty of programs available to help rehabilitate criminals. It sounds like this guy has gone through one and hopefully it's helped him and he won't reoffend (ditto Matt Bush).

[Spanky99]

Gotcha, there are plenty of programs available to help rehabilitate criminals. It sounds like this guy has gone through one and hopefully it's helped him and he won't reoffend (ditto Matt Bush).

 

So they can get a job in any area they pursue then, I see.

[Spanky99]

If you decide to finger blast a kid, that decision should, without a doubt, negatively affect the rest of your life. If I was in the same room as this f***tard I'd smash his face to bits.

 

I would like to think I would too, lol.

[The Cats Ass]

I don't pretend to have enough information to debate this, but most people would point to the reality that many criminals who are let back into society become repeat offenders (whether that's because of the situation we put them in - or simply because they are a moronic POS who don't deserve to be part of society). What % become repeat offenders? I don't know, but what % is too much? If there are 100 registered sex offenders and only 15% repeat - that's 15 more kids that are molested by some f***ing wacko. IMO, that's 15 more than we should ever allow....especially when the "upside" is to simply let 85 registered sex offenders back into society...

 

I'd say about 2 years ago now, a registered child molester, who's been convinced multiple times, who apparently said in court that if set free that he would molest again, was relocated from Saskatchewan to rural Ontario - some 15-20 minutes from my house. It's f***ing scary and creepy.

 

If you decide to finger blast a kid, that decision should, without a doubt, negatively affect the rest of your life. If I was in the same room as this f***tard I'd smash his face to bits.

 

I think you need to take age into account and when the rehabilitation was done. In my opinion there is a huge difference between being age 15 and 25.

[Bobthe4th]

So they can get a job in any area they pursue then, I see.

 

No not quite, certain jobs would be excluded, and as I said above I'd argue professional sports (high profile / followed closely by kids) should be excluded too.

[Boxcar]

I don't pretend to have enough information to debate this, but most people would point to the reality that many criminals who are let back into society become repeat offenders (whether that's because of the situation we put them in - or simply because they are a moronic POS who don't deserve to be part of society). What % become repeat offenders? I don't know, but what % is too much? If there are 100 registered sex offenders and only 15% repeat - that's 15 more kids that are molested by some f***ing wacko. IMO, that's 15 more than we should ever allow....especially when the "upside" is to simply let 85 registered sex offenders back into society...

 

I'd say about 2 years ago now, a registered child molester, who's been convinced multiple times, who apparently said in court that if set free that he would molest again, was relocated from Saskatchewan to rural Ontario - some 15-20 minutes from my house. It's f***ing scary and creepy.

 

So you commit a crime, and go to jail. You get out of jail (jail being your supposed complete punishment for said crime) and then are ostracized by society and literally no one will hire you. Are you really surprised so many become repeat offenders? I think what he did was bad but let's not equate it with something like rape or torture.

[Boxcar]

I would like to think I would too, lol.

 

Then I hope you'd both be sent to jail for assault and have your criminal records impair your ability to find work.

[Maahfaace]

I think you need to take age into account and when the rehabilitation was done. In my opinion there is a huge difference between being age 15 and 25.

 

Not for me, at 15 you damn well know that taking advantage of a helpless 4 year old is wrong.

[Spanky99]

I think you need to take age into account and when the rehabilitation was done. I'n my opinion there is a huge difference between being age 15 and 25.

 

Plus he did complete his rehab and has to register as a sex offender, hopefully he turns out fine. I understand skepticism by MLB teams as it's out there now, and likely would be a PR nightmare.

[Maahfaace]

So you commit a crime, and go to jail. You get out of jail (jail being your supposed complete punishment for said crime) and then are ostracized by society and literally no one will hire you. Are you really surprised so many become repeat offenders? I think what he did was bad but let's not equate it with something like rape or torture.

 

What Matt Bush did and this POS did is not comparable in my opinion.

[Spanky99]

Not for me, at 15 you damn well know that taking advantage of a helpless 4 year old is wrong.

 

I'm having trouble getting passed this. No doubt, it's quite heinous to be frank.

[Bobthe4th]

I think you need to take age into account and when the rehabilitation was done. In my opinion there is a huge difference between being age 15 and 25.

 

You're right age is a factor, and that's why he's not in prison.

 

In this particular circumstance the abuse took place over a 2 year period, the age and relationship of the victim, and the fact that the abuse was only stopped by the victim reporting it are all reasons why IMO it's correct that he's still a registered sex offender.

[Boxcar]

What Matt Bush did and this POS did is not comparable in my opinion.

 

True, I agree. What Matt Bush did was a lot worse. Glad he straightened out, though.

[BTS]

No not quite, certain jobs would be excluded, and as I said above I'd argue professional sports (high profile / followed closely by kids) should be excluded too.

 

So the punishment for a crime isn't just the sentence you get, it's also, in some cases, a lifetime of poverty with no hope of seeing hard work pay off, or of personal success? Commit a crime at 15 when you're not even done developing and the next 70 years of your life are ruined? I realize that this is often true, but I don't understand it.

[Bobthe4th]

Not for me, at 15 you damn well know that taking advantage of a helpless 4 year old is wrong.

 

The 6 year old was old enough to know it was wrong, that's why she reported it.

[Spanky99]

Then I hope you'd both be sent to jail for assault and have your criminal records impair your ability to find work.

 

Easy, Boxbike... I wouldn't go to jail for beating a Peddy.

[Boxcar]

So the punishment for a crime isn't just the sentence you get, it's also, in some cases, a lifetime of poverty with no hope of seeing hard work and personal betterment? I realize that this is often true, but I don't understand it.

 

I don't get it either. This thread has turned into some kind of gross virtue signaling exercise about who is most against child molestation. Because, you know, some people are totally for it.

 

"If I saw this guy, I'd beat his face in! That's how much I'm against child molesters!"

[Maahfaace]

True, I agree. What Matt Bush did was a lot worse. Glad he straightened out, though.

 

I don't agree at all. Matt Bush was a drunken retard, molesting a young child in that manner is way more heinous and irredeemable.

[Boxcar]

Easy, Boxbike... I wouldn't go to jail for beating a Peddy.

 

Are you retarded? Of course you would. He's free, did nothing to provoke you and you assaulted him. I'd hope you would get charged for that, otherwise what kind of stupid society do we live in?

[Spanky99]

So the punishment for a crime isn't just the sentence you get, it's also, in some cases, a lifetime of poverty with no hope of seeing hard work pay off, or of personal success? Commit a crime at 15 when you're not even done developing and the next 70 years of your life are ruined? I realize that this is often true, but I don't understand it.

 

Same, but it is why businesses have the right to do a criminal check.

[Boxcar]

I don't agree at all. Matt Bush was a drunken retard, molesting a young child in that manner is way more heinous and irredeemable.

 

Lol ok. So should he get the death penalty?

[The Cats Ass]

I don't agree at all. Matt Bush was a drunken retard, molesting a young child in that manner is way more heinous and irredeemable.

 

Plus the guy he ran over was 72 years old, he's pretty near ready to kick the bucket anyway.